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Cowboy
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2011 - 11:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

How many NEW non goverment jobs have the unions created---how many private jobs have they destroyed?
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Rfischer
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2011 - 11:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Don't feed the troll.

And, if anybody's interested, the U.S. economy tipped back into recession at the end of the first quarter. Regardless of what the official line may be, based on whatever fuzzy and incomplete measurements, the numbers here in the Staple Kingdom don't lie.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2011 - 12:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks Jamie, that is useful detail.

Seems crazy that you would be allowed to insure an asset against damage in the event of a recession, with an asset that will become nearly worthless in the event of a recession.
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Johnnymceldoo
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2011 - 01:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Actually cowboy the uaw has helped this areas auto parts businesses. This area has a big GM following given the years their plant was here. We have so many parts stores and mechanic shops needed to support bad craftsmanship.
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Whatever
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2011 - 01:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Great... Boner is about to speak so he can pat himself on the back... Where did I put my barf bag ?

Still wondering how exactly layed off gov workers are going to "go out and create" their new jobs when all the corporate jobs are already in China ?

Maybe I will put in an app to HD in India ?
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2011 - 01:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

How does confiscating more wealth from individuals create jobs for laid off government workers?

How does raising taxes on corporations reduce outsourcing?



If you qualify yourself as a "government worker", you are part of the problem.
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Guell
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2011 - 01:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If a govt worker is laid off and can't find something in the private sector, then I would say the govt job wasn't ever really needed. I see it as supply and demand
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2011 - 01:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

HD India is hiring, you want that contact ? Hit me up, I have been trading emails with them.
4 new dealerships... no credit purchases - and they are just clicking through their winter....and they speak english ; )
And guess where a lot of the money is coming for them to buy HDs.... from customer service workers taking American phonecall questions, doing American IT work, and aligning the new Healthcare bill EMR,EHR requirements - new jobs - not here.
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Sifo
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2011 - 01:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So government is "creating" jobs at a cost of $228,055 each.

We have 14.1 million unemployed right now.

so... 228,055 * 14,100,000 = 3,215,575,500,000

All we have to do is raise taxes enough to cover the $3,215,575,500,000 necessary to have government create the jobs necessary to employ the nation. That's only a little over $28K per tax payer! Government really is the answer!
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2011 - 02:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

'The information on the Vig is inaccurate'
the current 'unemployement' numbers only reflect those currently receiving 'unemployment' benefits - not those that have expired their unemployment dole and are still not employed, nor does it count students, criminals, those that are on the dole from public assistance are are not in the labor pool because of those entitlements, those separated from the military , those in short transition that didnt file because they will transfer to another job, those on sabbatical ..... now add in those that are at a job and not producing anything of value, merit, production or financial offset ..... that number should be nearing 1/3
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Court
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2011 - 02:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

There are some interesting examples of "reshoring" and "insourcing" as some of those jobs return to the USA.

Several things are in play . .

Labor costs are rising rapidly in some places that have traditionally been cheap labor.

Folks are becoming aware that the closer, in terms of both geography and culture, the service group is the their customer. . .the more effective the relationship.

I wrote a paper 2 years ago on customer service and some of the elements that make "good" customer service as less evident than most folks manifest behavior would cause some to believe.

Internet discussions tend to be flavored with hyperbole and opinion . . short on facts.

But . . and this is my opinion . . if I hear one more person being interviewed use the terms "inherited the worst economy in history" . . I too may puke.

I give them high marks for the entertainment they provide. It reminds me of when we used to put the paper
bag over the head of Herman,the unbright child, spin him around and turn him loose. I'd not be surprised to find out he grew up to be a neighborhood organizer.
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Sifo
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2011 - 02:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"inherited the worst economy in history"... Until what gets inherited in 2013!

Funny thing but Reagan inherited a very bad economy and never bitched about it. BO should have been more selective about when he got elected.
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Mtjm2
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2011 - 03:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Char , I get the same feeling every time I here the big O speak .

BO , asked to be elected . He didnt have to inherit anything but a vacation house .

The only NO vote he ever made was to raise the dept ceiling . Every other vote was PRESENT .
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Strokizator
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2011 - 03:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I hope you all have enough money to help out your elderly or disabled family members.

That's always been my plan. My parents would tell you I'm doing a damn fine job of it too.

blah, blah, blah, I hate millionaires (OK, I'm paraphrasing)

So, Rocco, does the owner of your company know that you hate him? Why would you work for someone you hate, anyway?
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Reepicheep
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2011 - 03:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Great article (originally linked from Drudge Report):

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,7 77705,00.html

Really hard questions, very clear answers (I thought).
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Mtjm2
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2011 - 04:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Great artical Bill .thanks for sharing .

Would someone please share with me the reason for a public UNION .

I DONT EVER REMEMBER VOTING FOR A TEACHERS UNION , OR ANY OTHER UNION THAT I PAY FOR .

Every department of the government gets an increase in there budget every year , needed or not .

If a department dosnt get it , they call it a CUT .


Court , help please , or anyone !
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2011 - 04:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Great article!
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Whatever
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2011 - 04:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So... I hope for f*ck's sake there are more mainstream Republicans that are taking a more cautious approach... but hey, what do I know ? Maybe Palin is right and it really is no big deal if this continues...

http://www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/08/01/frum.debt.re publicans/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
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Reindog
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2011 - 04:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have yet to hear any Badwebber who suffers from Liberalism defend their position with facts about why Obama's policies are good for America.

Rocco comes closest.

I suspect some of you are slowly waking up to the joys of Conservatism. Time to get out of the closet and Rage Against The Machine.
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04buell
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2011 - 04:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Char....that article is tremendous. But then, we have always been on the same page on this subject.

I am an optimistic, half full glass type of gal, but this topic can make me very DEBBIE DOWNER!

Carol
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Whatever
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2011 - 04:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Dude... you don't have a clue... now go out and drop you bike some more...
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Johnnymceldoo
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2011 - 04:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Focus on unemployment rather than debt? Unemployment can't be fixed until the hostility towards prosperity has finished its term. Every voter who paid attention should have saw the writing on the wall.
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Mtjm2
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2011 - 04:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Your RITE Char , we need moore leaders like ,Nancy , Harry , Barb .

Its not about Sarah !

Get over it !!!!!!
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Reindog
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2011 - 05:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Charlotte,

I noticed you dropped Piglet several times so you are in good company. I guess it doesn't really matter if one leans to the left or right.

(Message edited by reindog on August 01, 2011)
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2011 - 05:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Why is the sole fault on the Conservatives? Why are Progressives unwilling to compromise on ANY real, meaningful cuts?


To put it in perspective, there is $8-9T of job creating dollars sitting on the sideline waiting for all this uncertainty to end. This money is VERY tax sensitive. It will not be released until spending and government growth is reigned in.

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2010/08/07/number-o f-the-week-cheap-money-isnt-free/

Default is false. We have 10 times more monthly tax revenues than our debt service.

Our bond rating WILL be downgraded regardless of whether or not we have raised the debt ceiling or not. We have a runaway government.
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04buell
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2011 - 05:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

We do have a runaway government. Doesn't matter what party we are talking about. And the fact that we have had 2 wars, Medicare and Medicaid spending that is bi-partisan, does not help at all.

From my 35 years in the business world, I have learned many things! There are many things in business expenses you cannot control. But you can control labor hours and in our government that may be a great place to start! I know it would be like a needle in a haystack but it would show good faith in spending!

Carol
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Oldog
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2011 - 05:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have to wonder If the "default", "downgrade", and no government checks is simply huge over the top scare tactics by the admin to force their way?
along with the senates antics.

A whole lotta buzz words thrown out, what are the specifics in a little detail on the republican proposal, what is the democratic (BO's) solution.
So far right or wrong the repubs have put 2 deals out, and had them shot down outa hand,

Cspan is entertaining and informative, been some interesting stuff on
some of the Dems are way out there.....
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Macbuell
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2011 - 05:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The Tea Party folks need to be careful. They have helped change things in Washington and that's great. But if they push too far they will lose more independents and lose the election in 2012.

McCain lost the election in 2008 for a lot of reasons but the biggest was that he lost the independent vote due to his selection of Palin. Obama, with his well orchestrated speeches, won over the Independent vote. He has since lost most Independents but the Republicans and the Tea Party and the Far Right need to be careful. If they push too far they can lose the Independents again and it could cost them the White House.

This is me speaking as an intelligent, observant independent. I will probably vote for whoever the Republicans throw out there due to my intense dislike of Obama but I am sure there are many Independents who do not feel that way. And the last election cycle proved that winning the White House is no longer about firing up your base. It is about winning the Independent voter.

Oh, and make no mistake about it, Obama is going to tout this as his victory and play it off as he is moving closer to the middle in a desire for compromise. And he will paint himself as a moderate to try to win over independent voters. If either party identifies too closely with the far right or the far left in the ongoing debate and the next election cycle, it will be to their ruin.
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Whatever
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2011 - 05:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

McCain lost the election in 2008 for a lot of reasons but the biggest was that he lost the independent vote due to his selection of Palin.

Yup.

Also, completley absent from the Tea Party rhetoric is the fact that States often are worse than the Feds at wasting money. And the simple FACT that States and Locals and Tribes often depend on Federal money to function... which when that gets severely reduced they can easily "rectify" with skyrocketing State, Local and Tribal taxes...
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