| Author | Message | ||
     Oldog |
At Breakfast this AM I heard a brief report that FEMA has trailers rolling to JOPLIN MO... that disaster is what 2 months past, WHY so late? | ||
| Cowboy |
As I live in Louisiana I see thousands of trailers stored here. I guess it is prez Bush fault after all he was blamed for being 4 days late geting to New Orleans. ( damn dont you just love the way the Democrats handle a problem) | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Because FEMA is a cluster. Two months out, folks have already made other arrangements.  | ||
| Oldog |
the hope air field ( Hope AR ) had close to a square mile of space with the trailers parked so close as to prevent ingress to them. they have been towing them out steadily for over a year. as this relates to the folks suffering in Joplin one word WHY! why has it taken so long to get those trailers on the way there | ||
| Oldog |
heads should roll | ||
| Billyboy |
The FEMA solution to the Joplin disaster focused on placing people in actual houses within a 55-60 mile radius of the destruction. Rental houses and apartments were found for most of those displaced by the tornadoes. There were trailers brought in right after the storms, however, and people were using them. Additional trailers may be on their way (I haven't been able to find that report), but most likely because some people's situations have changed. I read a report that stated there were only 75 recent requests for trailers, and they are being sent. Maybe that's what you heard? | ||
| Court |
I've yet to see the government do (almost) anything well. Ike and the Interstate may have been their last well done project. Shame we don't have a community to be organized. | ||
| Oldog |
long way from the disaster for the effected families,(50 60 MI) THE DISASTER happened what about 2 months ago along with food/water and medical help the trailers should have been there with in a week or less } | ||
| Drkside79 |
They placed people in homes at the time not trailers. I believe the Fed actually responded quickly and it seems people from the area felt that way too From Rep. Billy Long "On a scale of one to 10, they are a 12," he said. "I think they are doing an excellent job." | ||
| Pwnzor |
Court, If our community actually were organized, we wouldn't be in the mess we're in. The government should rightfully fear an organized populace. | ||
| Court |
I also think . . . judging from the folks who went to help and posted here . . that there was a concerted and effective private effort. That was really heartening to see. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I was there. I have family that was affected. The "placement" of people had virtually NOTHING to do with FEMA. The people of Joplin provided most of the support. My wife's aunt stayed with family members. They neighbors across the street from my sister-in-law, hosted another family. If you knew anyone in town, you crashed at their place. ALL the rental properties within 75 miles of Joplin were exhausted by 9:00am the second day after the tornado. The exhausting of the existing inventory for homes for sale was limited only by the delays in getting people approved for loans. The good news about Joplin, if there was any, was that most of the folks who work in Joplin don't live in Joplin. The town has about 50,000 people in the city limits but have over 200,000 people who work in Joplin every day. 30% of the city was destroyed. 8,000 people were displaced by the damage. Like Katrina, the leviathan that is FEMA is providing assistance in the wrong form, in the wrong place, way too late. | ||
| Aesquire |
Ike and the Interstate may have been their last well done project. I'd say Apollo. Downsides from that program are 2 fold. 1. Apollo showed that throwing money at a problem can make it go away.... Except the money was thrown at motivated people in multiple very specific fields. Grumman, Chrysler, ( also a major player in the Manhattan Project ) North American, etc. With a limited and achievable goal. 2. From 1969 on, the canard "If we can go to the moon?....." made any project seem attainable, especially the ones with ill defined social reasoning and unreachable ends. Fema is the brainchild of the Carter Admin. In the fixed belief that Civil Defense was impossible, and the Soviets winning, CD was tossed out and a centralized disaster relief system partly put n place. As with any massive bureaucracy, and certainly any over reaching one, it can't be expected to work as well as rational local humans. Fema is not intended to get there with help in less than 48 hours. Too much is expected of Fema in the first seconds after a disaster. Much of the criticism of FEMA from Katrina is unfair. You simply can't put water & food supplies for a disaster in the path of the storm. They'll be gone. The "too much too late & the wrong thing" complaint IS justified. I fear it's the nature of the Beast. Yet, despite the waste and idiocy, Fema does do some fine work, and the people who actually do the work can be dedicated heroes. In the final analysis, is it ANY surprise that people in Joplin Missouri have more sense and compassion for their fellow man than some tax paid drone in D.C.??? | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
While I was in Joplin, there were 50,000 REGISTERED volunteers with an estimated additional 25,000 volunteers. These are in addition to the residents lending a hand. THIS is what was intended by the Framers of the Constitution NOT some gigantic, wasteful bureaucracy. The people of Joplin kick ass! Plain and simple. Disasters also bring out the scum of the Earth. There was a group of guys driving around Joplin at night in a van marked "Worldwide Hunger Relief". They were stealing copper cables. Obama also visited. | ||
| Court |
We used to do most the power line work for the city. Your report of the people is consistent with what I recall from living and working in the area n FEMA could learn from them n | ||
| Oldog |
sounds to me like Fema should be scaled back if its too big to respond in reasonable time frame make it smaller hey we gotta cut 40% of the FED expenditure might be a good place to start. why cant food / water / medical relief be on the way within 12 hours? nat guard, home land military assets | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Food/water, medical relief WAS on the way withing 30 minutes. It just didn't arrive in government trucks. My brother-in-law was out providing aid withing 5 minutes of the tornado. He still won't talk about everything he saw. It is a fool's errand to expect that there is or should be a government entity that can take the place of the individual citizen (except in very rare instances). See Article 1, Section 8. | ||
| Oldog |
since when did the constitution mean a hill of beans to the current admin. I'm all for the shutdown of government agencies that fail to perform their mission as Fema has | ||
| Mountainstorm |
I've heard plenty conspiracy theories about FEMA being part of a NWO plan to take over the US. FEMA can't wipe it's own ass. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
careful,they are about to get armed to wipe that big ass of theirs. 'community' organizers are already making a stink about a 'registry' of gun owners, militia, christian groups, and returning veterans. ask yourself carefully, why any agency would need such a list. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Don't know. Ask Hitler or Stalin. | ||
| Court |
Well put. I have much more faith in the American people than in ANY government agency. If FEMA was an employee . . they'd be fired. I'd much rather have Jeremy and Jerry coming to save my ass than a promise from the feds. I think FEMA would be an incredible place to make a substantial budget cut. | ||
| Just_ziptab |
Absorb the last three words. In comparison: The Berlin Airlift The first major challenge for the U.S. Air Force after it was named an independent service in 1947 was delivering supplies to Berlin. The massive airlift was the largest humanitarian operation ever undertaken by the air force. The more than 2.3 million tons of supplies flown into the city over approximately 10 months dwarf all future operations. Even the airlift to war-torn Sarajevo between 1992 and 1997 brought in only 179,910 tons—less than the amount flown into Berlin in one month alone. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
The aid was so plentiful in Joplin that they had to turn it away. While working, it became a joke. We started counting the aid workers offering water. There were piles of water at every major intersection. | ||
| Court |
>>>There were piles of water at every major intersection. That's the America I love . . |
