| Author | Message | ||
     Drkside79 |
So we haven't had a pot thread in a while and as there has been a rash of busts locally I'm curious what the BadWeb communities feeling is on the matter. SO here's mine. I believe that the war on drugs in general is a losing battle. When younger I tried quite a few different and as I grew up they all faded away. I still will smoke the occasional joint with friends but with life being the way it is, it is few and far between that I partake. That being said I see no reason that I need to watch Tax dollars funneled into the prevention, arrest, and incarceration of marijuana “abuse”. I find it even more disturbing that the ban on marijuana has allowed cartels and other groups to fund their operations. I will never condone the use of harder drugs nor will I condone the overuse of pot anymore than I condone a drunk. I believe that it should be an age regulated substance that carries with it the same responsibilities and punishments associated with alcohol. Thoughts? | ||
| Xdigitalx |
Hey Garth/Wayne,... I don't care what you do to your lungs... as long as you smoke away your troubles in your home and never go out in public amongst the norm while doped up. I don't want you near me or anyone in my family while your doped up. | ||
| Preybird1 |
I like how California has it legal under state law and illegal under federal law. The feds don't care and if they did they would bust everyone in California. I have friends who moved there for the "weed" And i have old friends in oregon who also moved there for the "weed" in the deep redwoods. They will never stop pot. But they need to stop meth labs and heroin and crack cocaine. My friend in cali said you just go into a store that has a "doctor" in it and tell them why you need a prescription and pay the fee and presto a prescription for "weed" My friend told his doctor he was on ritalin as a child and now he can't sleep unless he has some pot. In europe its mostly leagal. You can go to amsterdam and go into a doctors office and they will shoot you up with heroin for $10 and watch you for a bit to make sure you are ok and then they let you leave. Crazy stuff!! | ||
| Xdigitalx |
Can a doctor toke on a bone just before performing surgery? Legally? How about that dentist? OOPS... DUDE... I pulled the wrong one!!! Maybe... there can be a new patient/doctor pre-surgery bonding meeting where they light a joint together. Can a police officer light a joint in his car,... if it is legal? | ||
| Xdigitalx |
hmm... I wonder if it will ever be legal to get stoned in outer space? | ||
| Hootowl |
Took a constitutional amendment to bad alcohol. Stroke of the pen to ban other drugs. Something doesn't add up there. Beyond the constitutional violation of the federal ban on substances, I agree with the original poster. The war on drugs is a major failure, and I don't see anything in the pipeline that will alter its course. Hiring more police, creating vast federal agencies with nearly unlimited power (for all practical purposes), building more prisons...none of this has worked. Time to tuck in our skirts and admit that, while it might have been a good idea to protect people from themselves with anti-drug laws, it obviously is not having the intended effect. I'm tired of paying for the prison space. I'm tired of the prison population purges that let violent offenders go free because they can't release the guy on a mandatory drug possession sentence. | ||
| Froggy |
Now you are just being silly Xdigitalx. Let me fix this for you
Same exact thing. Alcohol is perfectly legal, but obviously your employer would have an issue with you coming into work drunk. Intoxication is intoxication, regardless if it is from beer or reefer. | ||
| Union_man |
It causes fewer deaths than Alcohol. It is called by some a “gateway” drug, but as I see it the only “gateway” is the drug dealer. He makes more money if he can hook you on harder drugs. Legalize it, tax it, and require ID to purchase it. Employers who do not want their employees to use it can piss test them. I also think that a piss test should be required to collect a welfare check too! | ||
| Spiderman |
Can a doctor toke on a bone just before performing surgery? Legally? How about that dentist? OOPS... DUDE... I pulled the wrong one!!! Maybe... there can be a new patient/doctor pre-surgery bonding meeting where they light a joint together. Can a police officer light a joint in his car,... if it is legal? Soooo POT = BAD But it is ok if the same public figures do the same with booze? Your logic is flawed... | ||
| Superdavetfft |
Xdigitalx; No offense intended but you've got a fairly negative attitude toward weed (but that's normal really). Would a doctor drink before surgery etc etc? Well it's the same thing, being intoxicated at an inappropriate time/place is the issue, NOT the intoxicant. As far as being around the 'norms'... I'd bet money that at least a few of your friends smoke and you have no idea that they do for whatever reason. Many people, including myself, have to use it regularly for pain (gulf war syndrome etc etc) and you'd have no idea I smoked. I don't even smoke cigarettes or even drink much. I've smoked for over a decade (I started around 30ish, I was a late bloomer because I believed the same lies you believe, because Ron and Nancy TOLD us how to think... they were wrong ....) anyway not one person has EVER accused, asked, inquired, or suspected any usage on my part because I am responsible about it. I'm not saying everyone would be but the same loser that would be stoned in his mom's basement until he's 40 would be the same 'drunk' loser in another story, it's just a loser, pick the intoxicant, it makes no difference. (oh and I work in a professional environment, work with C** level staff frequently and have averaged over 80k per year for those same last ten years. oh and no side effects... So let's re-address your thoughts; ...doctor/surgery etc? A responsible person has the ability to know when and where to use an intoxicant. A loser will find his crutch in whatever substance, even food or shopping, they choose. ... stay away from 'norms'... what exactly is a 'norm'? Are you a 'norm'? If one is to assume a norm is a normal, kind hearted, law abiding citizen like those I work with I have proven there do not have to be any issues. People go in public while drunk all the time and heck it's encouraged with festivals and street dances. Maybe I don't want loud, rude, crude and lewd drunks around my family so should we make booze illegal? (but I digress) Regarding medical usage, if you've never used it then you cannot know so you have no place to position your comment. Next time you're pewking (SP?) sick and want to feel better in 5 minutes just remember that weed could do that for you. My mom has cancer and because of the idiotic laws I cannot give her the perfect medicine she NEEDS. She's preprogrammed like most of the US into thinking all drugs make you insane etc etc... It breaks my heart to see her suffer while the treatment sits mere feet away. Until you have experienced real pain and the real relief this brings I suggest you allow the doctors and patients to make that decision. Until you have experienced the different intoxicant effects between booze and weed I suggest you withhold judgement. Let's go through a few things weed 'won't' do... While puffing you; 1. won't pewk on shoes 2. won't get in fist fights 3. won't hit the wife or kids 4. won't be mean and aggressive 5. won't try to drive 100+mph just for giggles I'll wrap this up it's getting long enough and hopefully you'll be open to my point. I'm not saying it'd be perfect for everybody but it's definitely a better intoxicant based on how people behave. It's SAFER considering weed has never killed anyone (to die from the intoxicant in weed you would need to ingest 700+ pounds) booze kills a lot, we already know that... If drunk drivers don't the liver and other ailments brought on by it's side effects will. It has real medical benefit, there are a ton of studies (too numerous to list, just google 'em) regarding this topic, too many doctors in FAVOR of using it etc. It even has relatively unexplored mental health capabilities regarding the maintenance of bipolar (m/d) behavior and depression. *Speculation of course The point is that people WITHOUT any personal experience should do some homework and research before pronouncing judgement on something that very well may help you or your family. If you have any questions about it please PM me... superdave BTW just snagged a 08 Road Glide 103", cams, V&H pro pipe ... for once I have ridden a HD with reasonable performance!  (still not a Buell but better) | ||
| Fast1075 |
There is very little that will stir up the stinky stuff faster than a marijuana debate. Study up, learn the facts..."Reefer Madness" is NOT a good educational film. Legalize it, tax it, keep all those billions of dollars that are going to the cartels...that money would be better used inside our own economy. The two worst drugs there are, are legal and available at your corner market...I know, I will eventually die from the effects of using one of them...hopefully many years from now, but the damage is done. | ||
| Danger_dave |
The whole issue of drug addiction needs to move to medical governance. Criminalizing it hasn't worked. | ||
| Superdavetfft |
Agreed, regarding medical governance. You wouldn't want your kids to take hydrocodone or morphine all day nor would you want them taking cannabis without guidance from a doctor. Once they become adults I would envision it treated like alcohol, age restricted. To shock yourself look into prison population since the drug war started in the Nixon era and then skyrocketed during Reagan... Making anything illegal due to a 'vice' merely makes the item go underground, it removes or eliminates NOTHING. People are going to do what they want to do.... we are free right? right? | ||
| Spiderman |
People are going to do what they want to do.... we are free right? right? Ahhhh the ultimate Irony of Conservatives! They want less government control and laws unless it is a law they agree with... | ||
| Xdigitalx |
lol... pot makes the colors so much brighter! Intoxication is intoxication, regardless if it is from beer or reefer. Well... it is much easier to display effects from alcohol than pot. cops can determine dunk drivers from a test. How will they (or a doctors supervisor) be able to determine THC in their blood...and what is an appropriate level for driving or performing surgery? But it is ok if the same public figures do the same with booze? I never said that... of course it is not OK for either. (drunk or stoned) I'd bet money that at least a few of your friends smoke and you have no idea that they do for whatever reason. Wrong, I can spot a pothead a mile away. Thats the thing about pot... it clouds your mind just enough to make your believe what your are thinking. You know what I mean.. like... the colors are so much brighter... and WOW that steak tastes sooo freaking good !!! It's pretty cool actually. haha A responsible person has the ability to know when and where to use an intoxicant. A loser will find his crutch in whatever substance, even food or shopping, they choose. Cool... so I guess that means there are Junkie doctors/dentists in Amsterdam too? A responsible person doesn't abuse drugs and likes to keep his mind clear and at top performance. Not sluggish and cloudy. Of course I know there is time and place for "partying" and I agree with most statements, and most medical statements of course. Do not think for a second I am a drug prude. I have done many drugs and seen many dopers continue to use throughout their life. I know exactly what it is and does to you. (non scientificlly) I just don't "need" it... never got addicted to anything and don't really need it to enjoy my life. (as sucky as it might be) That said... I will smoke some weed ... it just depends on what she looks like. | ||
| Mtjm2 |
Fast1075,well put . The problem with having the FED. involved will be its regulation . Most likley the quality will go down and the price will go up . Dont even try to grow your own . Spidey , im a conservative , and I think the stuff should BE legal just not controlled by the government you love so much | ||
| Hughlysses |
Ahhhh the ultimate Irony of Conservatives! They want less government control and laws unless it is a law they agree with... William F. Buckley, the founder of the modern conservative movement in the U.S., was in favor of legalizing MJ and other drugs: http://old.nationalreview.com/buckley/buckley20040 6291207.asp | ||
| Hootowl |
"Ahhhh the ultimate Irony of Conservatives" That's why many conservatives I know are calling themselves libertarians these days. The prudishness of some 'conservatives' these days reminds me of the prudishness of the Progressives that banned alcohol back in the early 20th century. No place for it in the federal government. States can do what they want. | ||
| Froggy |
So which is it? Or are you gifted with some secret ability that nobody else has?
While I don't know of anything like a breathalizer for drug testing, there are physical and behavioral symptoms of drug use, many of which are the same as that of alcohol use.
The same as alcohol, zero.
Like alcohol?
Like there aren't any junkie or alcoholic doctors in the US or anywhere else in the world.
I personally don't. I just want you to understand both sides of the issue, which I now believe you do. | ||
| Froggy |
I'm sure the price will go up, but I could see it turning into an industry like cigarettes and alcohol. You could still produce your own to a certain extent. | ||
| Hootowl |
I'm sure there will be a 'bud'wiser (te hee) of mass produced weed. The craft beer industry is thriving, despite the high volume, high quality, and relatively cheap beers available from Coors et al. I don't see why the pot market would be any different. | ||
| Mtjm2 |
The only way to find out is to do it . Nothing beets a failure like a try ! We pay to kill babies , this might help with that  | ||
| Fast1075 |
Look up William Randolph Hurst and his connection with the yellow journalism and contrived sensationalism drivel just to move newspapers, as set up, supported and encouraged by various influential politicians with the intent to drive people of certain racial heritage from the areas influenced by said politicians. Both my parents died from smoking cigarettes, several close friends and relatives have died from alcohol abuse. Anyone caught selling hard drugs (especially to children) should be summarily shot on the spot. | ||
| Johnnymceldoo |
Legalize it. This issue transcends political affiliations. Even our prez isn't for legalization and wants to curb tobacco use. He also doesn't support same sex marriage. Spiderman you must be a racist for not going along with presbo's ideology. I bet you live in one of those white suburban neighborhoods too. | ||
| Johnnymceldoo |
Should we also get rid of people selling fast food enabling overweight people to develope health problems? So much control over personal lives should be fought and pushed back by all Americans. Mind your own god damn business. | ||
| Mtjm2 |
AHHH , the bread box of america turned into the pot bag of america !! I am for legalizing it . But once you cross that threshold , were dose it go from there . | ||
| Pwnzor |
I don't know what you're talking about.  | ||
| Paint_shaker |
Personally, I say legalize it, tax it, and treat it like alcohol in terms of purchase, DUI, etc. However, with the anti-tobacco attitude our govt and most people have now, I'm not so sure it will happen. For now, it is still illegal so... I feel ya, but you still go to jail. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I'm a staunch conservative and strongly advocate for the legalization of pot. I'd smoke it if it weren't illegal. It's a gateway drug only because you have to buy it from the same people who sell harder drugs. Make it available legally at the 7/11 and I don't get to meet the real drug dealers. For nearly every state in the south and midwest, pot is the number one cash crop. Many state's budget shortfalls could be reduced by licensing and taxing pot production. There are so many reason TO legalize, I'm surprised it hasn't been already. Then again, many are trying to ban ALL cigarette smoking. You really think the nanny staters are going to allow you to create second hand pot smoke? | ||
| Drkside79 |
Nice backyard Pwnzor.... I need one of those masks for my XB |
