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Rpm4x4
Posted on Sunday, July 17, 2011 - 08:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My dad found this on his farm. Its 60mm, and 12 inches long. Its clearly some kind of shell case because you can see where firing pin hit the detonator. I dont get the holes in the case. How the hell can a case work with holes?




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Danger_dave
Posted on Sunday, July 17, 2011 - 09:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It's the famous Swiss Artillery shell.
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Rempss
Posted on Sunday, July 17, 2011 - 09:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Recoiless weapon shell, pretty cool stuff, 57MM M18 rifle maybe?

"Most shell casings have only one opening, at the mouth for the projectile. However, some shell casings have a large hole on the base or many holes on the side. These casing are for recoilless weapons. Recoilless weapons balance the force of the projectile leaving the gun barrel with an equal force from gas leaving the rear of the gun. To allow the blast to leave the back of the gun, some of the gas from the burning propellant is directed either out the bottom or side of the shell casing and out the back of the gun. Recoilless casings that allow gas to pass through the base are normally closed with a fiber base. The casings that allow gas to pass through their walls are lined with a combustible liner to hold the propellant and protect it from moisture. The primers in recoilless cases are in the center of the base for the casings with perforated sides and are in the base or on the sides for casings with blow-out bottoms. Figure 7 shows examples of recoilless shell casings."

See info here about 1/3 of the way down the page - http://cartridgecollectors.org/introtoartyammo/int rotoarty.htm

Jeff
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Gunut75
Posted on Sunday, July 17, 2011 - 09:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've seen a lot of goodies like this, but I have no idea what this one does.
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Rpm4x4
Posted on Sunday, July 17, 2011 - 10:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

thanks rempss. That link did help. I googled more on that and that has to be it. Pretty neat stuff

Another informative link



http://www.inert-ord.net/atrkts/57mm/index.html
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Bosh
Posted on Monday, July 18, 2011 - 12:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm with DD on this one. No doubt it's swiss.
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Mountainstorm
Posted on Monday, July 18, 2011 - 01:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What keeps the powder from coming out? A paper sleeve or something?
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Danger_dave
Posted on Monday, July 18, 2011 - 04:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

>>I'm with DD on this one. <<

Normally this is a sound position, but really, my lot don't do guns.

If you found it here you'd assume it was a filter or baffle off some farm equipment.
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Jumbo_petite
Posted on Monday, July 18, 2011 - 08:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So It's NOT R.Lee Ermy's cheese grater then?????
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Ourdee
Posted on Monday, July 18, 2011 - 08:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

dibs! Just kidding. May have been a dummy round used for training. What better way to mark an inert round?.
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Hootowl
Posted on Monday, July 18, 2011 - 10:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It's just a bird feeder.
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Geforce
Posted on Monday, July 18, 2011 - 01:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If you've ever been engaged with a recoiless rifle while dismounted... it's one of the scariest things you'll ever come across in combat. These weapons can be used as direct and indirect fire systems and are very accurate at range. HEAT rounds will also knock a sizable hole in a vehicle.

I got to play around with old Russian variants while in Afghanistan a few years ago. Very neat concept but deadly when applied correctly. The US also has our own version that we call the "Gustav".
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Kenm123t
Posted on Monday, July 18, 2011 - 03:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Looks like a naval gun primer. Probably WW2 since its iron or steel. The largest fixed naval ammo I know of was for the Newport News a 8" semi auto cruiser used in Vietnam.
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Slaughter
Posted on Monday, July 18, 2011 - 04:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Kenm123t
Posted on Monday, July 18, 2011 - 04:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

+1 Slaughter
see the primer tube in the center
My grandfather made naval gun barrels in WW2 we have some shells with primer tubes like that
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Slaughter
Posted on Monday, July 18, 2011 - 04:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Britchri10
Posted on Monday, July 18, 2011 - 04:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

RE: Recoil less rifles: Brit's used to have the WOMBAT. 120mm c30lb HESH round.
It was LOUD & the back blast was spectacular. We used to portee them on Landrovers.
They were phasing them out & replacing them with the Carl Gustav & the Milan around the time I joined up.
I never got to fire one (I was an RTO) but I have seen/heard them in action on the range.
Chris C
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Never2late
Posted on Tuesday, July 19, 2011 - 09:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Cold war and Nam the Corps had a goofy six gun setup. Use to crawl all over one of the things during my youth when my dad was in the Corps.

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