| Author | Message | ||
     Bamabuellbiker |
I just went on the ebr.com and saw the new 1190RS. Are they still just producing bikes for racing teams or are they now in production for the public? Either way I am very Proud of Buell for Continuing on. The new bike LOOKS SICK!! $40,000 MSRP that is up there in quality with the Italian Bikes | ||
| Greg_e |
They MUST make production bikes to be able to race them in AMA races, it's one of the rules. How many constitutes production is what I don't know, it used to be 50. | ||
| Court |
There is a graduated production schedule. It's 100 in the first year with a couple intermediate milestones. The text of the AMA rules have been posted here on Badweb and are on the AMA website. The 1190RS is on par, in terms of price, with similarly positioned products and about $37,000 cheaper than the top of the line Ducati. .... For a frame of reference. | ||
| Rwven |
Any news on how the intermediate steps are going? Was the June 1st deadline met? Appendix G Homologation Rules G1 AMA Pro Homologation Procedure for American SuperBike, Daytona SportBike and SuperSport Motorcycles a. Homologation is the official assessment made by AMA Pro Racing for a particular motorcycle to determine its eligibility for competition. Eligibility will be based on available quantities, retail pricing and technical suitability for a particular class. Inclusion or exclusion is at the sole discretion of AMA Pro Racing. An approved model can be disallowed at any time for violations of quantities or pricing. G2 Requirements for an AMA Pro Homologation a. Any manufacturer of mass production, U.S. street legal motorcycles may apply for an AMA Pro Homologation. Technical suitability and manufacturer preference will determine class specific placement for each model based on the following eligibility: G3 Eligibility Requirements: a. The motorcycles must be of current production. b. The motorcycles are to be sold for everyday use. c. At the time of the AMA Pro inspection for homologation the motorcycle must be fully equipped with all road going equipment. This includes, but is not limited to, lights, blinkers, kick stands, etc. d. The motorcycle must meet all D.O.T., E.P.A., and other U.S. Federal requirements for street usage. e. The motorcycle must have a manufacturer’s certificate of origin. f. A third party may homologate the motorcycle but they must comply with all requirements. G4 Minimum Production Quantities a. The minimum production quantities consist of units with identical equipment and technical specifications intended for sale to retail customers. b. Evidence of production quantities and time frames must be submitted to AMA Pro Racing upon request. Availability and sale to the public may be demonstrated by waybills, bills of lading and/or any other bonafide import, export or customs documents. c. Quantity and pricing requirements are as follows: i. The manufacturer must have produced a quantity of at least 18 units before applying for homologation. ii. The minimum quantity of 36 units must be produced by June 1st of the current competition season. iii. The minimum quantity of 72 units must be produced 15 days previous to the last race of the current competition season. The minimum quantity of 100 units must be produced by the end of the calendar year. v. Motorcycles submitted for American SuperBike homologation approval may not exceed a retail price of $40,000 U.S. vi. Motorcycles submitted for Daytona SportBike and SuperSport homologation approval may not exceed a retail price of $20,000 U.S. (Message edited by rwven on June 23, 2011) | ||
| Court |
Things are looking great thanks to the extraordinary efforts of The Elves. | ||
| Drkside79 |
Court sometimes i would truly love to have a third of the info rattling around in that head of yours. If i lived any where near you I would keep your belly full of BBQ and your liver busily processing alcohol in an effort to extract said knowledge. Oh and i mean that in a nice way not in a creepy one. | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
ahhhhh not to say the bikes are cheap to build or anything. that rule posted explains the price tag... | ||
| Bads1 |
The 1190RS is on par, in terms of price, with similarly positioned products and about $37,000 cheaper than the top of the line Ducati. .... For a frame of reference. What Ducati Superbike retails for 37,000 more ?? The Ducati 1198 Corse is the top of the line at 39,995. Erik Buell Racing is although in that same category. | ||
| Court |
>>>Court sometimes i would truly love to have a third of the info rattling around in that head of yours. Very little info . . . I just overheard, as did everyone who was hanging out drooling over the 1190RS . . . Erik at Road America. If memory serves they were at about 40 or so then. It's been a real struggle as they get in the initial orders from over 100 new vendors . . . think of trying to direct a blindfolded marching band in mud.  In addition . . . as is always the case in life . . there have been a couple of those "this couldn't happen in a million years" surprises that had to be dealt with. As good fortune would have it there are some REALLY talented folks in East Troy. Many of you heard the Erik telling about a case where an engineer designed a part, did the engineering and FEA analysis, programmed the CNC machine, made the part and put it on the bike. . . It's really neat and reminiscent, at least to me, of the kind of Craftsmanship I, in the past, associated with "MADE IN AMERICA". >>>>What Ducati Superbike retails for 37,000 more ?? What Ducati Superbike retails for 37,000 more ?? http://www.jameslist.com/motorcycles/ducati/desmos edici_rr http://www.partsandmotorcycles.com/bikes/?p=6775 Seems they are selling used for anywhere from about $49,000 to over $100,000. I see one parked at the office from time to time . . I think it's one of the engineers in transmission. There is a guy who brings his to the Ear periodically as well . . typical gorgeous styling. | ||
| Phelan |
I believe he's talking about a Desmodicci (sp?) | ||
| Court |
The specs from the Ducati Official website: http://www.ducati.com/bikes/desmosedici_rr/desmose dici_rr/2008/tech_spec.do Kinda fun to look at . . . . This is what I was looking for . . . the article about the entire production run or 500 of them (priced at an MSRP of $72,500 but selling at a substantial premium) selling out in 5 hours. There is . . I assure you . . . a substantial market for motorcycles in this range. http://www.topspeed.com/motorcycles/motorcycle-reviews/ducati/2009-ducati-desmosedici-rr-ar76174.html Me? . . . I'm looking for a sub-20K car and a neighbor shows up with a new Ferrari this morning AND ( blasphemy) drives the damn thing to work in the pouring rain. (Message edited by court on June 23, 2011) | ||
| Sl33py |
and as much as i love the 1190RS - i'd like to see how it does against the Desmosedici RR. I don't think it's apples to apples. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ducati_Desmosedici_RR Me on either would likely be beat by a real racer on a vespa... hehehe. It's not all about the bike of course. | ||
| Greg_e |
There are some pretty tricked out Vespas running around  | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
The Duc come in at 377 lbs.... dry The Echo Bravo Romeo specs... 389 wet no fuell | ||
| Bads1 |
Seems they are selling used for anywhere from about $49,000 to over $100,000. I see one parked at the office from time to time . . I think it's one of the engineers in transmission. There is a guy who brings his to the Ear periodically as well . . typical gorgeous styling. Court that is is a limited production street legal GP bike and is not a Superbike nor can it be ran in the class. Infact I know someone that has one. You cannot compare this bikes price tag to that of the 1190RS. THe 1198r Corse is in the same class. Erik Buell Racing is selling these bike no cheaper then of the Italian exotics. Erik Buell Racing is an exotic in many ways. | ||
| Bamabuellbiker |
+1 Bads1!!!! "Erik Buell Racing is an exotic" | ||
| Reepicheep |
That Desmosedici looks comparable to the 1190RS to me. The Ducati is just less exclusive (they made 5 times as many of them as the 1190RS) and it uses now obsolete braking technology from the days before Erik Buell Racing worked out how to create effective ZTL systems and thereby reduce unsprung weight in the front wheel. Looks like the Duc had to resort to the obsolete "tank and frame are separate components" late 20th century technology hacks as well. Oh and look! How quaint! It has the exhaust up high under the seat, instead of putting it close to the center of rotational mass on the bike. I'll bet the rear wheel still has a hub also... that brings back some great memories! So the Duc is a nice retro bike for sure, but that's a lot of extra coin for all the technology that the new Erik Buell Racing bike has made obsolete. And as retro bikes go, I think I'd rather have a Norton Commando 850.  (This would be a lot more fun on a Ducati forum... ) (Message edited by reepicheep on June 23, 2011) | ||
| Honolulu_blue_esq |
I am not at all a fan of the looks of the Desmosedeci, but I'm guessing I could get passed all that looking at the view from the cockpit. | ||
| Court |
>>>That Desmosedici looks comparable to the 1190RS to me. It's about the same HP and weight. But . . the question and discussion here was no comparing bikes. It was the price. . . as in "would anyone pay $40,000 for a motorcycle?". The answer, as borne out by the fact that the 500 $70,000+ Ducatis sold out in a matter of hours) and the fact that Ducati sells another bike in the $40,000 price range (which must be selling as they've done so for years) is a resounding "yes". I'm sure . . particularly after the "the Ducati feels like a truck in comparison to the Erik Buell Racing 1190RS" comment . . that we'll be treated to all the comparisons we could ever hope for. | ||
| Bads1 |
Reep, You have no idea what your talking about.... Retro... funny. And Court I agree with most of what you say but the that particular Duc is a 4cylinder not a twin. | ||
| Reepicheep |
I know exactly what I am talking about. | ||
| Hootowl |
I'm sure most of us got the humor Bill. | ||
| Bads1 |
You sound like it also. Ducati still uses the under seat exhaust.... as does Agusta.... as does Honda. The brakes??? That duc still has to this day the best of any production bike. THe tank and frame..... your joking right. Don't go there with the Koolaid. | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
 Dana, you're killing me!!!! LOL | ||
| Court |
>>>And Court I agree with most of what you say but the that particular Duc is a 4cylinder not a twin. I don't care. The ONLY question that, at the outset, under discussion was "would anyone pay $40,000 for a motorcycle?" It's been answered. No follow along more closely. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Pfft. Underseat exhaust. Thats *soooo* 2007. Harley liked it enough to buy the company though, so you can take comfort from that fact...  | ||
| Dfbutler |
Assuming I spent the $40K, where would I get it fixed? Or even, where would I actually buy it? | ||
| Court |
>>>>Harley liked it enough to buy the company though, so you can take comfort from that fact... Hahahaha . . they also sold it for $1.00 (actually 1€) . . again. And . . this time . . also agreed to pay about $100,000,000 worth of the new owner's other expenses. . . which, of course, may include developing a better exhaust. Tough to say. Shame to see folks get fired over the MV Agusta deal . . . but I'm sure the company and the former HD employees will all end up on their feet. | ||
| Hootowl |
My understanding is that they're all being sold through dealerships, so...at the dealer you bought it from? Have dealerships been announced? | ||
| Froggy |
Your local Erik Buell Racing dealer. Mine is about 30 minutes from me. |
