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Sifo
Posted on Friday, May 27, 2011 - 11:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Somehow this doesn't surprise me at all. Here's a thought... Let insurance companies asses your insurance rates based on how well you can pass a rules of the road test!

Ride safe out there...


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Americans don't know rules of the road

Charles Riley, On Thursday May 26, 2011, 4:04 pm EDT

More than one in five Americans -- some 36.9 million -- are not fit to drive and would fail a driving test if asked to take one today, according to a new survey of the nation's drivers.

Shocking as that may be, it's actually an improvement. Last year, 38 million received failing grades. Nationwide, the average score this year increased to 77.9% from 76.2% in 2010.

According to GMAC Insurance, which conducted the survey, the results mean that a great number of people on the road still lack basic driving knowledge, an ignorance that leads to dangerous driving habits.

For example, a full 85% of those surveyed could not identify the correct action to take when approaching a steady yellow traffic light.

And only one in four knew safe following distances.

But, the survey suggests, you can avoid some of these drivers if you know what to look for: Young people, women and motorists who live in the Northeast.

Twenty-seven percent of women failed the test, while males had a failure rate of 13.6%. The oldest drivers tested -- ages 60 to 65 -- had the highest average test scores at 80.3%.

Drivers in the Northeast scored lowest, while respondents in the Midwest fared best. The worst place, no surprise to anyone who drives there, is Washington, D.C.

Wyoming, where less than 5% of the population failed the test, took home the top prize for states.

The annual GMAC Insurance National Drivers test polled 5,130 licensed drivers from 50 states and the District of Columbia with a 20-question test derived from state department of motor vehicles exams.


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Cityxslicker
Posted on Friday, May 27, 2011 - 11:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

the older population may know the rules better, but when they are issued their AARP card and their BUICK they fully forget that the long petal on the right makes the car go the speed limit.

The poodle hair express at 3-530 in this town!
it is faster to walk to the restuarant !
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Oldfartnbuell
Posted on Friday, May 27, 2011 - 12:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

City, I am 74yo and if you are behind me trying to pass you are already going at least 15mph over the limit! We ain't all slow.
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Rwven
Posted on Friday, May 27, 2011 - 12:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Two easy questions

1. Roll the throttle back to the loud stop.

2. Follow? Not me Jack!
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Oldfartnbuell
Posted on Friday, May 27, 2011 - 12:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Buick?
What's that?
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Cowboy
Posted on Friday, May 27, 2011 - 12:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well said old fart I just got my V-rod back from speed shop where I went front to back with vance & hines race equip. I am 75 (1936 model) I can smoke eather one of my Buells. he he he
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Badlionsfan
Posted on Friday, May 27, 2011 - 01:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Take it from a truck driver who's logged over half a million miles in the last four and half years (accident free btw!). Ignorance behind the wheel knows no boundaries of age, sex, ethnicity. Idiots are breeding daily, and their spawns will undoubtedly end up behind the wheel.
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86129squids
Posted on Friday, May 27, 2011 - 01:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Got my Aerostich catalog a few days ago, always love the stuff they sell- happened to notice the Stebel "Nautilus II" horn in there, promises a "locomotive" effect...

I've been wanting to install REAL train horns on my vehicles (especially the MC's despite the challenges)- this horn looks very cool! I've already got the basic Stebel stuffed behind the flyscreen on the CityX, really like it...

Anyone have firsthand experience with the Nautilus II? Given the growing numbers of numb-nuts futzing with cel phones daily, the growing numbers of blue-hairs daily, the growing numbers of punk "don't-give-a-shit" drivers daily, I'm looking for solutions other than the lethal and illegal ones...
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Dwardo
Posted on Friday, May 27, 2011 - 01:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have a Buick (1994 Roadmonster wagon) and one thing it isn't is slow. If I touch that long pedal on the right you better not be in front of me.
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Kyrocket
Posted on Friday, May 27, 2011 - 02:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"The worst place, no surprise to anyone who drives there, is Washington, D.C."


Coincidence?
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Cpeg
Posted on Friday, May 27, 2011 - 03:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Cityxslicker

You stepped on your young dong there.
The techno punks are a bigger problem. So dayum involved with talking, texting, primping and thumping they ain't got a clue what the steering wheel is for, much less the go pedal.
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Oldfartnbuell
Posted on Friday, May 27, 2011 - 03:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

cpeg,
Oh did you ever nail it!!
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Imonabuss
Posted on Friday, May 27, 2011 - 03:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

In general, anyone not paying attention is a problem. But that is not enforced. Rules like "keep right, pass left only" are not enforced. Texting is not enforced. People get arrested for their SEVENTH DUI. But Lord help you if you are going 40 in a 25 zone, completely wide awake and in control. Easy cash into community coffers is king.

And no surprise to me that Washington is the worst. Home of the entitled incapable...
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Macbuell
Posted on Friday, May 27, 2011 - 03:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

For the older folks, there is a big difference between knowing the rules and being physically able to abide by them.

I watched an old man pull right out in front of my brother who was on his xb9r at the time. He said that everyone was speeding. Too bad he pulled right out in front of a line of 6 cars and two motorcycles are traveling at the same speed. I really wanted to knock his head off.
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Hootowl
Posted on Friday, May 27, 2011 - 03:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have nearly been killed by an old man, and several women of various ages. No teenager or 20-60 year old man has ever cut me off, tried to change lanes in to me, or turn left in front of me.

Just a data point from my own personal experience.
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Friday, May 27, 2011 - 04:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

not in my town, the average age is 58, and the general issue Buick sedan aint going nowhere fast.

my favorite is when they are too short to see over the steering wheel !

damnit dont get me started on them when they get in their rolling barns of RVS; I still think there ought to be a Class C restriction on those things, AND mandatory road course testing on them.

(and no disrespect to Buick, I do love the the GNX-but that aint what is filling the streets in this town)
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Iamike
Posted on Saturday, May 28, 2011 - 11:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yep, just yesterday on my way home from work a 25 yr.-old with a phone to her ear was stopped at a stop sign. Even though she was looking right at me she started pulling out, if I wasn't paying attention it could have been bad.

She stopped, I did too. Even though I yelled at her to hang up the damn phone she just kept on talking.

It just blows me away that some idiot's converstation is more important than someone else's life.
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Rwven
Posted on Saturday, May 28, 2011 - 12:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hootowl,

My experience has been just the opposite. Must be a regional thing...
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Britchri10
Posted on Saturday, May 28, 2011 - 12:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My experience is that everyone on the road in Florida is out to get me.
I may be paranoid but this attitude gets me too & from my destinations in one piece.
I don't think it's an age thing I do think that very few motorists pay enough attention to their surroundings when driving.
Chris C
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Hootowl
Posted on Saturday, May 28, 2011 - 12:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"My experience is that everyone on the road in Florida is out to get me."

Sums up my riding philosophy: They don't see you, or they don't care.

My experience is drawn from living in Washington, California, Tennessee, and Texas.
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Kyrocket
Posted on Saturday, May 28, 2011 - 03:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I thought about this thread last night on my way back from taking out the wife to eat. We were merging onto the interstate and there was a vehicle in front of us. It was about 10:10 so not much other traffic, probably 1000 yards in either direction. Three lanes and as soon as the entrance ramp ends he drifts over to the left hand lane and camped there for the 15 miles that we were one it. I was set on about 72 and he never pulled away from me.




Oh yeah, she also let me pick out something from Bud's gun shop, so I let her pick where to eat: )
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Paint_shaker
Posted on Saturday, May 28, 2011 - 03:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

In my non-scientific opinion; Distracted driving (talking, texting, reading, shaving, whatever else, just plain not paying attention) is probably the cause of more crashes than anything else. There are too many people, trying to do too many different things instead of focusing on the road!!

Knowing the rules of the road and following them are two different things. If everyone followed all the rules (including obeying the posted speed limit), there would be a lot less crashes. But we all know that isn't going to happen. So ride like you are invisible and get real good on predicting what other drivers might do!!!

Then again, what do I know... I only investigate an average of 10-12 crashes a month and log thousands of miles a year observing other drivers...

(Message edited by Paint shaker on May 28, 2011)
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Saturday, May 28, 2011 - 07:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My grand father always said, ride like nobody sees you, and the ones that do are aiming for you; and you will be fine.

Sound advice, the only time I ever met an accident was with a deer ! but I have been run off the road my fair share amount of times. always leave an out, even if it means hopping the curb.
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Fltwistygirl
Posted on Saturday, May 28, 2011 - 07:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"ride like you are invisible" +1.

"always leave an out"

another one of my favorite pieces of advice. Two "outs" are even better if you have that luxury. City, your grandfather seemed to be a very wise man.

Stereo-typing, as bad of a rap as it gets in our too p.c. world, has saved my butt on the road more times than I can count.

It is unfortunate, but for me has proven true, how you can predict which types of cars to avoid. Most have tell-tale indicators of who is piloting them before you get close enough to actually see the driver. Often there are clues as to who will be exhibiting the worst behaviors on the road before anything stupid actually occurs.

Stay safe, badwebbers! BeLinda.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Saturday, May 28, 2011 - 08:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Squids - I have a Nautilus, but not a II.

Haven't had to use it in a while (amazingly)...so when I hit it the other day when some jackwad decided to try and change lanes into me (on the DC beltway..surprise...) I made MYSELF jump it was so loud.

It's a good horn : ) Just use the factory horn wire to trigger a relay and feed it battery hot, don't just use the horn wiring. Cops don't like Uly's running around with no taillight (it shares the fuse with the horn).

DAMHIK...
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Fahren
Posted on Sunday, May 29, 2011 - 07:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Washington DC driving is not bad due to any US politicians (who don't actually drive very much - they are often driven by drivers). The taxis are crazy, as in NYC, and the huge foreign diplomatic population (with immunity from prosecution) makes life "fun."

Plus, the confounding array of one-way streets on a grid that is chopped up by bigger diagonal avenues can get very annoying. But it's fun on a small bike - I had a '70's Kawa KZ400 there back in the day - perfect for parking, getting through jams, etc.
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Just_ziptab
Posted on Sunday, May 29, 2011 - 09:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Be wary of anybody driving while wearing pajamas. They are nurses and drive like it's a nascar race. I see it every morning at 6:30 on a one mile stretch that goes by the hospital.
Their shift starts at 7:00.........so WTF!!!
Passing on my right and diving into the left turn lane and/or running the red light that has been red long enuf to have stopped. I see them weave thru traffic,ducking into spots that are neart bumper to bumper and weaving out of my sight,only to see their vehicle pulling into the parking lot when I pass by.
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Badlionsfan
Posted on Sunday, May 29, 2011 - 11:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'll end this discussion once and for all, none of you can drive!
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86129squids
Posted on Sunday, May 29, 2011 - 01:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Joe- I had such a struggle stuffing that horn behind the flyscreen, then dremelling a hole for it to project through, that I never got around to wiring in a relay. Seems to work OK on my bike without it, but I still really should put the relay in...

Anyone have experience with a true locomotive horn setup?

I once had a customer at the HD/BUELL shop that was an OTR trucker- he shows up one day with a new rig, bought it used, proceeded to tell me all about the fancy stuff in and out- I noticed that in addition to the expected horns on top of the cab facing forward, in addition there were 3 more big horns under the cab, facing right from the passenger side. I asked him WTF about that- he said "got a train horn. Plumbed into the active pressure lines, so it doesn't even have to get wound up."

Every day at this dealership we had the regular crew of old men, retired, with nothing better to do than ride over to the shop, park their bikes, sit in the rocking chairs out front, drink the free coffee, and complain about the dealership... I asked my buddy to give that horn a tug as he was pulling out...

You should have seen those old farts levitate! Heck, I jumped myself, even though I knew he would do it!

Ever since then I've wanted a train horn...
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Ratbuell
Posted on Sunday, May 29, 2011 - 02:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Brad - not only will the relay keep the circuit alive...it makes it like TWICE as loud : ) It was a tight fit on the Uly, too...but she's in there.

Real train horns need a compressor. A BIG one. You think that Stebel was hard to fit??
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Mr_grumpy
Posted on Sunday, May 29, 2011 - 02:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

One of the problems on the road these days is that cars & trucks have become such well appointed, safe & comfortable places to be, that drivers no longer feel as connected to the driving experience as they once were.

Even as a professional driver I find myself guilty, at times, of doing stuff when driving that I shouldn't, purely because in the past I wouldn't have been able to.
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86129squids
Posted on Sunday, May 29, 2011 - 02:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Good point Joe- silly of me to have the Stebel and not have it work at 100%...

Might have to go see my buds that sold me the Stebel, see if they have the Nautilus II...
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