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     Trojan |
Back to the subject at hand........I need to go shopping tonight for foodstuff and essentials. Do I just buy enough to tide me over until tomorrow morning (assuming the world will end after breakfast at a reasonable civilised hour), or do I save my money and not bother shopping at all any longer (although why would I save my money if the world will end tomorrow?). Maybe I just buy fresh produce and no freezer food  Should I buy diesel on my way home tonight? Maybe it will be cheaper once the world ends and we don't have to pay tax Decisons decisions..... | ||
| Spiderman |
GREAT Answer Blake...  | ||
| Superdavetfft |
So Blake, I wonder how many posts you've deleted? Can you give us a round number, a guesstimate? It's obvious religion can't stand on it's own merits when questions are asked and that's why the church, and many zealots, strive to keep the dissenters quiet. Oh and just so you don't forget, almost EVERY end of the world preaching schmuck was doing so because 'JESAWS IS A-COMIN FER YA!' I mean really, isn't it funny that the end of the world comes around about every 10-20 years? Oh well, at least it helps out a slow news day... Here's a comment, it's not degrading, it's simply fact. There is no 'god' and never has been. Man invented the concept, any historical study will illustrate this. Since there isn't a 'god' then Jesus is at best a myth but not even an original one, google Horus and Osiris for starters. So how long before you delete this post Blake? ride free SPEAK FREE superdave | ||
| Notpurples2 |
Blake, Not knowing calculus won't get you thrown into eternal hellfire. I said it's either not true OR it's the religion of an evil god. I tend to believe it's just not true. If I'm to believe that god is a loving a good god then how am I suppose to understand that setting the "fire break" and not just killing but sending to eternal suffering millions of people because they were not born in the right place and time is just? It's not just emotion it's logical. If I have children and I send some of them away to be raised by people that hate me and then when they are older expect them to come to love me without ever knowing me and then when they don't I send into a pit to endure torture and suffering then I can not logically be loving father. Hell you couldn't even call that sane. Sorry Whisper. My attempts to inject my thoughts of humor were stopped by the hall-monitor. I thought it quite funny the idea of rapture and the tie in of a zombie apocalypse. Especially considering the part of the scripture that speaks of the dead rising from the grave. Of course I know the idea is that they're suppose to be immediately raptured up to heaven but it's still a funny thought. This of course as with anything that even hints at religion was taken WAAAAY to serious by a certain someone. Who rather than ask politely (and specifically) for refrain decided to suspend my account straight away. A quick summary of some pertinent BadWeB terms of use: I agree to treat with respect and courtesy all members of this online Buell enthusiasts' community. I will honor without question, debate, or argument any/all custodian/admin request(s) concerning the content and/or decorum of my contributions on the forum. You [Blake] posted a very general comment about "anti-christian bigotry" with no mention of me in particular. In fact I think someone else responded thinking you were talking to them. I wasn't sure you were talking to me. I began to suspect so I decided to make another post to really see if you were talking about me. I will not post any content to BadWeB or hyperlinks to other web pages that one would hesitate to expose in the workplace or to family and children. If it is not appropriate for showing on daytime public television or on a public billboard, it is likely not acceptable to post on BadWeatherBikers.com. I didn't post anything that I thought was not appropriate. I didn't think it was any worse than other off-color and non-pc things that have been posted here many times before. I agree to treat others as I would hope to be treated myself (be excellent to each other); I will only post commentary with a respectful demeanor just as if I am speaking face to face. In all cases I will avoid flame wars and hateful, malicious, derisive, insulting or divisive commentary. I understand that malicious derisive personal commentary in any form is entirely unwelcome on BadWeB. I have not attacked anyone personally. I only mentioned you in my second post because I was wondering if you really found the silly "zombie jesus" joke so offense as to cal it "spewing anti-christian bigotry" And really the way i'd like to be treated is; when you're calling me out on something actually CALL ME OUT use my name. Otherwise I might not realize you're talking about me. Hell I might not even read your post. But if I see my name in it then I will know I need to read it. Or if you want to be really nice about it just send me a PM. I promise that while participating on BadWeB I will: be excellent to other BadWeBrs, refrain from posting lewd, profane, vulgar or other non-family oriented content, honor the requests of board custodians... I feel i did all those things to my ability. I did not post anything I thought was too vulgar. No one commented to me directly that they thought My posts in particular were not fit for BadWeB. How can I not honor your request when you don't actually make them. I was 100% lighthearted with my posts. You and others have turned this lighthearted thread into a big religious debate and banned me in the process. It kinda reminds me of a thread i started once about a video of guys that ride at the track. You even found THAT offensive because he compared it to religion. Jesus! this is a motorcycle forum not a evangelist site. Blake, (and any and everyone) In the future if you allow me to stay. Which honestly I'm thinking I'm just going to have to hold my tongue here and only post when I need technical assistance because I'm so tired of how all the non-bike threads are going. But in the future actually send me a pm or a post directed at me if you have something to say. If you had simple stated that you and others found my jokes too offensive and politely asked me to retract them. Then, though I'd think you were over sensitive and wrong, I would have complied. EDIT: OK going back NOW after you went ban hammer on me I can see you may have thought your veiled warnings would have been clear. However, I never thought I was "Spewing Anti-Christian Bigotry" and I never refered to christianity as a "Zombie Religion." When I first read that I really was wondering what the hell you were talking about. I wasn't trying to say that christians all worship a zombie. But he did, supposedly, rise from the dead like a zombie so there's a humourous connection there. (Message edited by notpurples2 on May 20, 2011) | ||
| Kc10_fe |
Since today is the LAST DAY shouldnt Starbucks be giving away free coffee? When is the designated hookers and blow time? Before 5 or after 5? Im so not prepared. WTF? | ||
| Slaughter |
Y'all folks be so funny and thin-skinned. I am an atheist - Blake KNOWS this. I am NOT anti-Christian and as such am willing to respect other folks' beliefs (though STILL make fun of them)  | ||
| Notpurples2 |
And Blake, relax don't be defensive. Actually look at the argument I'm making at the first. How do you Logically explain that according to the edicts of Loving and Just God there were people born in a rainforest somewhere that never heard of Jesus and when they died they went to a place of eternal suffering and pain. How is that Logically Loving? How is that Logically Just? If that God were real and all powerful. Wouldn't he give those people a choice? Wouldn't the story of his existence be universally known? Even if their ancestors really came from Adam and Eve and they knew of God but did not pass it on. Is it Logically Just for the descendents to all be cursed to eternal damnation? | ||
| Stirz007 |
I wish to apologize to Carbon and Badfan - I shouldn't have interjected the "Rapturation" comment (3rd post of the string)....which rapidly led to subsequent devolution to pulpitazation. Sorry, guys...I think I caused the total hijack that has since occurred. JM | ||
| Americanmadexb |
I am left to wonder why the discussion of Religion is even allowed at this point? Free speech?? Sure, but only in the confines of what is deemed "acceptable" by the mighty power that holds the ban hammer. This is a motorcycle forum and we are all adults with the ability to express what we feel. Free speech right? Having strong feelings is fine, expressing those feelings in the confines of the rules is fine. Or so I thought. When you take on the responsibility of providing a open forum for discussions, you must allow those discussions to freely take place, without your beliefs getting in the way. Are you allowed to have an opinion? Sure. Should anyone of been banned from what went on this thread? No. People holding beliefs and opinions that differ from yours does not make them "wrong." | ||
| Drkside79 |
Gentleman Your attacks on Blake are no better than his on you. Ask yourselves if it is worth the time to deliberately try to bait him. As for post deleting I don't know if that occurs or not but if it does it's a shame. Otherwise i believe it violates one of those constitutional rights that i keep hearing about. I realize this is a private entity but sheesh thats just un American. | ||
| 86129squids |
True story: I just quit my job today!!! YEEHAAA!!! In other news- I replaced the old, very douchy job with a really cool job- my new boss is planning a "soft" grand opening cookout tomorrow!! Free food, beer for sale, sorry, no brains at the BBQ buffet...  | ||
| Fast1075 |
Sounds good, but will there be Okra on the menu??? YUMMMMMM!!!!  | ||
| Notpurples2 |
DRK, He has deleted my post and suspended my original account. The post contained a humorous (atleast that was my view and intent) cartoon of Jesus as a zombie. If you type zombie jesus into Google you'll see it and many others. This is the first time I've ever had a problem with Blake and I have not attacked him personally. I haven't intended to attack him but I guess he felt my joke and the cartoon was an attack on him and all christians. I'm just surpised he didn't send a PM or even a direct post before he hit me with the ban hammer. | ||
| Drkside79 |
Curtis, While i do agree with you on some parts others i do not. You should have known what zombie Jesus was going to do. I do not think it was ban worthy either but my opinion matters little. The pic was in poor taste but i do believe it was a failed joke. Not the first i heard on the matter in my lifetime. I will also say that i was not offended in the slightest. Most likely neither was God. However as I am not God i do not know for sure. But as one of my favorite movie says God has a sense of humor. Just look at the Platypus  | ||
| Blake |
Matt, >>> Some biblical texts MAY have been written as early as you say, but certainly not the BIBLE as a complete document and definitely NOT the version that we have now (which has changed almost beyond recognition apparently - I haven't read the original obviously). When was the first English language version of the Bible produced? >>> When was the old testament written? Do you think it was written by eye witnesses? Mate, you stated that the New Testament was written hundreds of years after the events it documents. That was the point of debate I was addressing. I appreciate your concession to the fact that the New Testament was recorded in a timely manner wrt the events it records. Now you are shifting debate to the old Testament. I'm not a biblical scholar, but I bet I can find pretty good answers to your questions online or even in a Bible itself. The New American Standard contains excellent discussion of sourcing and the like prior to each book in the Bible. Others do as well. Doesn't the fact of your formerly grossly misinformed understanding of New Testament origins and authorship give you any pause concerning the confidence of your beliefs/attitudes towards the Bible? What if most of what you have been told is similarly flawed? Your statement that the Old Testament is not historical is just as demonstrably false. To clarify, it is 100% true that the books comprising the Old Testament are not all historical accounts; some record legislation (laws}, some are poetry, some are indeed a collection of guiding principles for life (Proverbs), and yet others are prophetic. It is also true that among Christians, scholars and laymen alike, interpretation of some Old Testament history is varies; some hold to literal reading, others find evidence of the use of allegory and illustrative mythology to communicate profound truths. It is a VERY interesting topic of debate. You may be surprised to learn that science is employed on both sides. Surprisingly there is scientific evidence of a flood and of a single common female ancestor of all of mankind, the so-called mitochondrial Eve, a misnomer since from a biblical perspective she would be the mitochondrial wife of Noah, not Eve. But I digress. >>> If you believe that a man turned water into wine, raised people from the dead or performed any of the other miracles from the bible then great. Cool. The water into wine miracle is the first recorded miracle of Jesus. Pretty cool if you enjoy a little fruit of teh vine now and then. I do. >>> Personally I tend to view the New Testament as a collection of allagorical stories trying to teach people who couldn't read or write a few moral guidelines, nothing more, nothing less. I don't think that view is supportable by the evidence. The New Testament deals with the most profound of issues. What Jesus taught was very radical at the time. He was tortured and killed in brutal fashion for it. >>> Scientific evidence pretty much disproves most of the Old Testament. You've been misled. That simply isn't true. You might have some standing among scientists of the day to assert that concerning the biblical accounts of creation and the flood (book of Genesis). Yet even there you can find credible science-based disagreement. But to assert that science has disproved "most of the Old Testament" is just incredibly false. In fact, the more we learn, the more of what is recorded in the Old Testament historical books is found credible. Archeologists have discovered cities long since disappeared and covered over in the desert, which corroborate Old Testament history. >>> We can argue this for ever unfortunately, simply because if you believe something deeply enough then you will not see the other argument regardless of scientific or other evidence available. I suppose that is the nature of any religious belief : ) Unfortunately some choose to apply that only to opposing views and not their own. In order to assess the veracity or even likelihood/probability of any assertion, logical argument and evidence must come to bear; one must employ objective analysis. Blanket statements like the incredibly misleading ones you've made are worthless in that pursuit. Truth is real and exists, we cannot make it up to suit what we might happen to like to believe. | ||
| Blake |
Whisperstealth, >>> This was a really fun thread. I was enjoying it quiet a bit. I really wish fun threads could stay fun threads, and not become a battle ground for religious / anti-religious debate. Me too! >>> No matter what side your on, it always gets ugly, and takes the fun out of a great forum. Take note which side it is that almost always instigates the miserableness. I rarely if ever instigate any religious discussion here. If we want to put an end to such miserableness, then help take a stand against it. I would welcome that. If you see someone posting content that is deeply degrading and offensive to folks who hold their faith and belief very dear, then have the balls to call them out and tell them they are out of line. You can be part of the solution. The anti-Christian bigots here only continue in their derisive behavior because so many allow it to go unchallenged. Sadly popular culture has made that okay. Be a rebel; call out the haters and shame them. No matter one's beliefs, that is the right thing to do. Like I've repeated in this thread: It bothers me when disbelievers sanctimoniously malign and insult the beliefs of Christians, which happens all the time here. I think in this case it was just incredibly poor manners and then indignation, but sometimes, often, it is downright hostile. I think Ken has it right. Thanks for chiming in my brother. I appreciate it. I'm just stubborn, too stubborn. If this weren't a web site listed under my name, I'd likely let it go. | ||
| Blake |
Andy, Yes, I did suspend Curtis' posting privileges. Upon reflection, Curtis has a valid point. I should have contacted him offline or been more direct in confronting his deeply offensive posts. I trust that he intended no serious offense. Having read my view of it then proceeded on with it, I do think he was poking the bear so to speak. Had he applied his own standards, he'd have contacted me offline rather to clarify the issue rather than elevating the offense. So send us both to the penalty box. We'll have a beer and both come away with a better appreciation of how to behave towards others. How better to treat others as we would like to be treated. That's one thing that I REALLY appreciate about this forum and having been a custodian of it for the past thirteen years. It has forced me to grow in ways that I likely otherwise wouldn't have. If Curtis doesn't agree, I bet he'll tell us. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
it is an attempt to control the masses when civil justice law practices wouldnt do. Law enforcement cant be everywhere, so if you instill a wrathful spiteful vengeful god that will strike eternity of retribution for the top ten daily crimes; and inspire adherence through fear of damnation - then you will get a large dose of compliance, leaving a policable size of criminal element to pursue, punish, incarcerate and fine appropriately. It is not that the Soviet Union was 'godless' its that the Communist party could not compete with the power of daily indoctrination, and a opposing power that was over the power of the Supreme Soviet and Lenin, Stalin, etg appropriately. Russia has always been very religious. Us,? if we really wanted to practice true separation of church and state, the DOJ would quit funding religious indoctrination behind prison bars. and quit producing new classes of radical islamic fundamentalists. (dont even get me started on the murdering criminals that have 'found jesus' and have 'repentented' and are released on early parole only to reoffend) A malicious heart will always manipulate the liberal minded nanny. | ||
| Oddalloy |
On a lighter note... as per Jean Shepherd's narration in his flick A CHRISTMAS STORY: "Let's face it, most of us are scoffers but moments before zero hour, it did not pay to take chances." | ||
| Stirz007 |
I really try to keep my Religiosity and politics out of BW - opinions and facts are always open to attack for some reason - both are a matter of faith and when one's faith is questioned, one often gets overly defensive. "Freedom of Speech, as long as you don't say too much" - Neville Brothers: Sons and Daughters "Freedom of Religion, as long as it's the right one" - JSM It's OK to denigrate Islam, but not Christianity - both are religions of love, but it often doesn't seem that way, which is too bad. We mortals are so arrogant as to think we have it all figured out (What GOD really meant was....) and some of us purport to speak for GOD - that's what scares me and relates to the earlier premise of the string: The May 21st Rapture Signing off..... | ||
| Notpurples2 |
Blake, I really didn't intend to deeply offend anyone. Maybe it was a poke. Personally I think you were way out of line now that I see you really were calling me an “anti-christian bigot.” That is more of a personal attack than anything I did. I don’t feel I am a bigot of any type. I don’t hate Christians. I dislike preachy religious types of all faiths. And I find many aspects of religion funny and ridiculous. I pick on Christianity far more because that is what I know after being raised in a Baptist church. I pretty sure I had posted a "zombie jesus" comic back around Easter. It was from Cyanide and Happiness. I don’t remember anyone saying anything or there being a problem then. But looking back at the thread either I didn’t post it or you removed it then and didn’t say anything. Again if you had actually pm’d me and let me know, then at least I’d know. If for example; if back then you told me it was too offensive and you had took it down then maybe I wouldn’t have made any more similar posts in this thread. Calm down with the post deletion and ban-hammer, man. At least give written warnings when you’re doing that. | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
blake I think this is the wrong approach "Take note which side it is that almost always instigates the miserableness. I rarely if ever instigate any religious discussion here. If we want to put an end to such miserableness, then help take a stand against it. I would welcome that. If you see someone posting content that is deeply degrading and offensive to folks who hold their faith and belief very dear, then have the balls to call them out and tell them they are out of line. You can be part of the solution. The anti-Christian bigots here only continue in their derisive behavior because so many allow it to go unchallenged. Sadly popular culture has made that okay. Be a rebel; call out the haters and shame them. No matter one's beliefs, that is the right thing to do. " To attack someone, like you say to do, will only add fuel to the fire. A fire that you say you dont want. Its also a double standard. Youre Ok with Christians saying whatever they want, but say something against Christianity and they should be shamed and attacked? Come on dude... I just think this is the worst way of dealing with it, it doesnt FIX anything, it keeps the debate going. | ||
| Drkside79 |
Blake, I do respect your convictions in the Christianity debate in fact i have some admiration for it. I myself do not have the same blind faith and though i pray nightly i will possibly face harsh judgment down the road. At some point in life i hope we do meet so that WE can have an actual honest debate/discussion about religion and politics as it seems we often do not see eye to eye. I am much better at such things face to face as i never seem to capture my thoughts as well when typing. Are a few of the posters here poking the bear. Absolutely there are! Some I truly believe feel it is there only option left. (However some are being a pain in the ass just to be one) I am not pointing fingers at anyone in particular with that statement. Nor am i passing judgment as i believe there is a old saying about throwing the first stone. | ||
| Jb2 |
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| Glitch |
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| Blake |
Ken, >>> Blake remember you will be persecuted for your faith. I can't say that I feel persecuted, just annoyed, shocked, and bewildered mostly. The folks that are truly subject to persecution while maintaining their Christian faith and demeanor are heroes to me. The level of vitriol and hatred that erupt from some whenever Christian faith or even just a belief in god is mentioned is still shocking to me. "Treat others as you would be treated", "God loves you and offers you salvation." The mere mention of those Christian principles evokes such bizarre hateful backlash from some, outright lies, and laughably inane interpretations of scripture. I put such folks in the same category of the moon-landing deniers. I hope that they may some day really actually seek truth, but in the mean time just try to put up a reasoned rebuttal for those that might be watching and on the fence concerning their personal beliefs. >>> We know where these folks end up on their present path. Sad ain't it. Free will, could they be like Peter? We should pray for that. >>> Time will tell. Original sin, wanting to be God is the real issue. What are we supposed to be doing for these folks Blake? Don't cast pearls before swine; yeah, I know. Unfortunately, the swine are in my house crapping on my pearls. If they won't stop, they'll be tossed out. I appreciate your support and advice. >>> Don't let evil have power over you. Peace of the Lord. Pray for that and thanks. | ||
| Blake |
Curtis, >>> How do you Logically explain that according to the edicts of Loving and Just God there were people born in a rainforest somewhere that never heard of Jesus and when they died they went to a place of eternal suffering and pain. Where in the Bible do you discern that notion? My sense is that those who hold to the belief you question have been misled based on myopic scriptural cherry-picking and an overly simplistic interpretation of it. Here's an opinion on the matter than you might not have considered. http://www.faithfacts.org/search-for-truth/questio ns-of-christians/what-about-people-who-have-never- heard-of-christ The above is my own personal understanding that I've gained through research, reason, logic, and analysis. I do understand that some hold to the view you and I find so abhorrent. I don't agree with them, so I guess you and I are in agreement. The difference being that you've chosen to plant your stake and leave it at that, refusing to look deeper for a truth that has eluded you. Maybe try to reason and find truth rather than cease what could otherwise be an incredibly rewarding spiritual journey. For instance, what did Paul (formerly Saul, Jewish scholar and hard-line persecutor and hunter of Christians) say that relates to the matter? | ||
| Blake |
Tony (Spider Man), >>> GREAT Answer Blake... Thanks old friend. I've missed your thoughtful input. Great to see you back. | ||
| Spiderman |
Ugggg per usual...  | ||
| Chrisrogers3 |
Nevermind.... I want to keep my posting privledges. (Message edited by chrisrogers3 on May 20, 2011) |
