| Author | Message | ||
     Cpeg |
Lot's of ignorant never reads mock the faith and the word. That in itself is funny. what do you call those who have read "The Word" and still mock the faith. Why is somebody who does not believe what you believe ignorant? | ||
| Danger_dave |
I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun. Joel. | ||
| Whisperstealth |
Only the good die young... | ||
| Danger_dave |
A bottle of red, and bottle of white. | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
Another good read with an apocalyptic theme is "American Gods" also by Neil Gaiman. I think he & Pratchett are about my favourite writers. As for the rising from the grave, what happens to all those who've been cremated? | ||
| Danger_dave |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5i7gCB2kNwo | ||
| Blake |
>>> what do you call those who have read "The Word" and still mock the faith? "Unbelievers", and the same as those who mock but don't read the word, "rude", "intolerant", and "hateful." >>> Why is somebody who does not believe what you believe ignorant? You no read good. That's not what Jon said. The ignorance is on display for all to see. That said, incredibly few who mock the Christian faith have an accurate understanding of scripture. Heck, many believers are ignorant of accurate scriptural meaning. Just having read is not enough to vanquish ignorance, not even close. An aptitude to comprehend what is written along with accurate knowledge of context, culture and history, are vital to understanding, to truth. Most anyone can "read" a service manual or a cookbook, but lacking the required aptitude and intent to understand still leaves one in ignorance. | ||
| Blake |
The May 21st kooks are perfect examples. So too are all those who fail to grasp the true situational and historical context of the Mosaic laws/history by far the most popular pegs upon which those hostile to Judeo-Christian faiths hang there hats. | ||
| Trojan |
So too are all those who fail to grasp the true situational and historical context of the Mosaic laws/history by far the most popular pegs upon which those hostile to Judeo-Christian faiths hang there hats. WHAT? I'll have a pint of whatever you have been drinking  | ||
| Blake |
Did you read the Bible more carefully than you read Jon's post?  What is your favorite proverb? Which of Jesus' parables is your favorite? | ||
| Trojan |
Did you read the Bible more carefully than you read Jon's post? Don't believe everything you read in the bible (other religious texts are of course available)...it isn't all (if any) true (shock horror!) When the planet eventually decides it has had enough of us humans trampling it to ruins and dies a horrible death, it won't be becaue of any religion or deiety that we have invented in our pathetically short time on the planet. It will be a demonstration of pure physics and chemistry at work. Nothing more and nothing less You can invoke all the gods you like but it won't make a blind bit of difference | ||
| Crusty |
As for the rising from the grave, what happens to all those who've been cremated? "...The Thunder of hooves; a streak of white; a cloud of dust; and a hearty, 'Hi-Ho Silver!'" | ||
| Blake |
Matt, I've not even had my coffee yet this morning! I'm writing in decaffeinated code. I guess what I am trying to say is that one can't read the Bible in a vacuum and expect to accurately understand it. Failing to consider certain historical context (for example, a horde of escaped slaves trying to survive while wandering the desert wilderness and facing ruthless pagan enemies) will leave one ignorant. Too many treat Biblical books of history as dime store novels, which is REALLY ignorant. | ||
| Blake |
Matt, >>> Don't believe everything you read in the bible (other religious texts are of course available)...it isn't all (if any) true (shock horror!) Credibility on the issue just vanished. Ignorance and opinion do not a compelling case make. You've been misled. | ||
| Panhead_dan |
The more technologically advanced we get, the more we prove various accounts in the Bible to be true, despite what the nay-sayers believe. | ||
| Slaughter |
Any apocalypse parties? I'm IN! | ||
| Badlionsfan |
Just my birthday party, and they're pretty intense.  | ||
| Davegess |
Matt, you haven't been paying attention. The bible is different that other religious text because it is true. Seriously, I don't care how carefully I may read the bible I am not going to believe it is historically accurate in more that it broads outlines. Some of the tales from more recent times, 2-3000 years ago are certainly more accurate than is it's story of the creation but it is still primarily a book of faith not fact. And don't go telling me I need to study it more, I have 14 plus years of serious Roman Catholic education (some of you Christians would not consider that Christian of course) a few of those with Jesuits. You don't get a more rigorous religious education than the one the Jebe's provide and I don't believe that Christianity is the one true way. Sorry. I believe in God but I with Matt, the world will end when it ends, probably long after humans are long gone, not when the bible says it will. | ||
| Blake |
Logic is valuable to finding truth. >>> Don't believe everything you read in the bible (other religious texts are of course available)... A common theme repeated by disbelievers. Please explain how the mere existence of any number of beliefs or opinions renders all of them or any of them false. | ||
| Trojan |
I guess what I am trying to say is that one can't read the Bible in a vacuum and expect to accurately understand it. Failing to consider certain historical context (for example, a horde of escaped slaves trying to survive while wandering the desert wilderness and facing ruthless pagan enemies) will leave one ignorant. Too many treat Biblical books of history as dime store novels, which is REALLY ignorant. My mother used to say..never argue about religion or politics....However The bible is not a historical document. The Old testament is certainly not either historically accurate or factually relevant in huge parts, adn the New testament was written hundreds of years after the alleged facts by people who were hardly to be considered 'independant onlookers'. It has also been 'translated' many times since with all of the changes that has incurred to the original text. What we see now is not 'The Bible' that was written thousands of years ago. Unfortunately most of the bible, and the organised religion that surrounds it, was designed to keep ignorant peasants in their place and keep the rich nobles (and that included religious leaders of course) at the top of the heap and to maintain the status quo Please explain how the mere existence of any number of beliefs or opinions renders all of them or any of them false. Belief in itself isn't false, unless it is based on facts that cannot be proven and actually fly in the face of scientific evidence. If belief in a 'higher being' gives people strength then that is great and I have no objections, but it annoys me when 'believers' sanctimoniusly try to push their beliefs onto me, because I neither want or need them | ||
| Drkside79 |
In all honesty I find myself torn on this debate. There actually is logic on both sides of the argument. I find to dismiss the bible outright to be absurd. However I believe that to take it literally in all parts would be equally as silly. The bible has many truthful accounts in it however as it was written and rewritten by man to believe it word for word is illogical. Many of the parts actually happened but as in all works of history those who control the pen write the story to their specifications. (Message edited by drkside79 on May 19, 2011) | ||
| Spiderman |
A common theme repeated by disbelievers. Please explain how the mere existence of any number of beliefs or opinions renders all of them or any of them false. So as an engineer would you refer to an old Alchemy book while doing metal fatigue testing? | ||
| Chrisrogers3 |
>>> Don't believe everything you read in the bible (other religious texts are of course available)... A common theme repeated by disbelievers. Wow this has become quite the aggressive thread. Of all the religions out there, the bible is the most complete well written and well documented out of them all. The contributors went through in painstaking detail to write it in the manner in which they did. Especially with the seemingly silly details of the ark and covenant dimensions. BUT details within the bible are also lacking (ITS NOT AN ALL INCLUSIVE LIVE BY BOOK). It was written with an understanding of the times in which those people lived. ------- Of course here is where the little scientist in me comes out to play..... Humans will destroy the habitable aspect of the Earth well before any outside factor (God) will have a chance to. ------ Blake (or anyone else)- I pose this question. What are your thoughts on "The Epic of Gilgamesh" and the similarities that it shares with the bible (keeping in mind it predates the bible). Don't you feel its slightly ironic there are such similarities? | ||
| Whatever |
I don't have time to debate this horseshit ! But I wanted to say "HI SPIDEY" !!!  | ||
| Cpeg |
incredibly few who mock the Christian faith have an accurate understanding of scripture. Heck, many believers are ignorant of accurate scriptural meaning. Right.......whats a cubit? | ||
| Slowride |
I can't believe I am about to weigh in on this topic, but here it goes.... Blake - well spoken, there are times on this board when the true you comes out to play. Trojan - hmmm, knee jerk reaction inbound from me --> How can you say the bible (old testament) is not a historical document. What proof do you have? Chrisrogers - If I am to believe as a Christian in a Created earth and a Created Man, then I have to believe that this Created Man documented his story. I believe that the Created Man had a knowledge and aptitude equal and unchanged from ours, therefore the Created Man had ability (mindset and tools) to document his existence. The Epic of Gilgamesh is a very broken and disjointed text that has been revised over the years to reflect each commentators theory or views. Very similar to all revised copies of the KJV. My 2cents... insurance is the best policy. Stay ready and the DATE doesn't matter. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
Where is the Koran trashing thread? | ||
| Whatever |
I am placing my bet with the Hopi myself.  | ||
| Spiderman |
What are your thoughts on "The Epic of Gilgamesh" That bastard should just leave the Smurfs alone! | ||
| Notpurples2 |
Not so much the fact that there are multiple beliefs, rather that there is not any one universally known belief. For me to accept a Deity as truly benevolent then his religion would have had to have been universally accessible to all people from day one. The fact that thousands, millions, lived and died, and continue to do so, without ever hearing of a religion proves to me that that religion couldn't be true. At the very least it couldn't be the religion of a benevolent god, especially when the punishment for not accepting that religion is eternal suffering. If you had been born to Muslim parents in a country where Islam was the majority you would most likely have a completely different outlook on religion. Or if they were Jewish, or Hindu, or Buddhist. Sure there are many that change faiths in adulthood. But the majority of it is learned in childhood from parents. Religion, for the most part, is an incident of birth. Also My account is suspended??? Really? For a Zombie Jesus Joke? |
