| Author | Message | ||
     Wolfridgerider |
All jokes aside... Wiskey Tango Foxtrot... over? http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/05/09/navy.same.sex.mar riage/index.html?eref=rss_topstories | ||
| Pkforbes87 |
That still doesn't mean that these "civil unions" will be recognized as marriages outside the handful of states they can be performed in, or that they will have any effect on the marital status of a Federal employee. Currently, the DOMA defines marriage as a union entered into by 1 man and 1 woman. (Thanks, Clinton!) Since DOMA is a federal law, it applies to all branches of the military and all DOD employees. Therefore, any federal employee in a same-sex partnership is single on paper. Here comes the tricky part.. and the reason that this whole DADT repeal is going to get a LOT messier than anyone ever intended. Hypothetically, gay sailor A and gay sailor B are both stationed in Connecticut and they decide to get married. Meanwhile, male sailor C and female sailor D also hit it off and are planning to get hitched as well. Both couples marry, and both marriages are recognized by the state of Connecticut. According to Federal law though, sailors A and B are still both single. Now as long as neither couple has children, they are all eligible for equal benefits. All 4 service members collect single rate benefits. BUT.. both couples decide to have children (via birth, adoption, it doesn't matter) Both service members A and B are legally single with a dependent, so both are eligible to receive dependent-rate benefits. Service members C and D, however, are legally married so only the highest ranking of the 2 is eligible for dependent-rate benefits. The lower ranking of the 2 will keep receiving only single-rate. What now? Ugh, I find the whole situation absolutely disgusting. There's a reason that there is no easy answer - the question is in and of itself an unnatural one to be asking. Yet another reason I can't wait to GTFO 8 months from now. | ||
| Malott442 |
I say do it. Keep the bunghole locked down. Let the fancy pants be fancy pants. More women to choose from!!!! | ||
| Joshinga |
OH who gives a F**K its the same damn thing that has been going on for years you think this shit is new? what rock have you guys been under? this is been going on in ALL branches of the military we just see it brought out in the open now. Why does everybody care so much about what some else does in there bedroom? To me for each couple of guys that wanna live together is just one more girl for me to chase. And for that matter how many of you guys have watched girl/girl porn,did you get disgusted or did you rub one off and go about your day? What about you guys that have been at a party and tried to get the drunk girls to make out? So what I'm saying is you guys can spank it to two girls doing it but if they want to live together "OH hell no". This whole subject is tired and I'm so tired of hearing about it its don deal with it.we are one of the only countries that still care about this crap. For the love of god the board is about motorcycles leave it at that. FWIW I understand that some of you guys have moral/religious reasons to not like this subject but in the military its different The best way I have heard it was from a USMC CO to his troops " It doesn't matter what you think we are here to follow the orders passed down from the top."  | ||
| Two_seasons |
Josh: Navy vet here. Submarine tender service. It does make a difference. It hurts morale. It will definitely hurt the mission as the #1 issue will now become homosexual rights. | ||
| Pkforbes87 |
"we are one of the only countries that still care about this" The difference between you and I, is I'm damn proud of this fact and you would like to see it change. "For the love of god the board is about motorcycles leave it at that." Is that why you clicked on the thread titled "For all you Squids... I mean Navy Vets"? You thought it would be about motorcycles? "It doesn't matter what you think we are here to follow the orders passed down from the top." When I'm a civilian 8 months from now, will I then be entitled to my opinion? Or should I then continue to keep quiet because you will still be offended by what I have to say? "When we assumed the soldier we did not lay aside the citizen." General George Washington 26 June, 1775 | ||
| Joshinga |
I been there still there 12 years now and counting I have worked with both gay and lesbian's not one time did it effect the mission or hurt morale. We all knew about there orientation but it didn't matter they got the job done just like the others. Sometimes better. | ||
| Sdecp |
Two-Seasons: I did my Navy service on a submarine. I disagree with your morale argument. I knew guys who swung with the guys. Did not bother me. Being gay never stopped people from joining the Navy. If anyone slept at night thinking they were safe because gay people were not at the helm, well, they were sorely mistaken. | ||
| Joshinga |
So what is your main issue with the whole thing? If a gay or lesbian couple wants to be married and be as miserable as the rest of us go right ahead. "The difference between you and I, is I'm damn proud of this fact" So your proud that this country that once took pride in being the leader and envy of the world and now we are in the eyes of the rest of the world the butt of joke after joke because as the world progresses and we as a culture seem to be going backwards. | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
we are in the eyes of the rest of the world the butt of joke after joke I would like to hear some of those jokes.... | ||
| Joshinga |
Try watching any TV shows from any other country | ||
| Argentcorvid |
I'm another bubblehead that knows from personal experience that this is bullshit. Despite some peoples objection, it will happen exactly they way racial integration did. The order will come down that the discrimination ends, and the COC will enforce it. Those who can't follow orders will be handled. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
I only have a problem with calling it a marriage. True, Gay couples should get same or similar rights as normal married couples. But the marriage certificate should also say "GAY marriage", Or "Civil Union". So, when your gay friends get married,.. they will either have a GAY marriage or Civil Union as written on the certificate. But thats what it has to be. Not just a "Marriage", that is between a man and a woman. I want it to be called exactly what it is, a GAY marriage. As long as that happens, I will have no problem with it at all. And other than that, I could care less. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
It will have to also specify "between humans". Just in case your thinking of having a civil union with your cat, dog...or your horse. | ||
| Joshinga |
It will have to also specify "between humans". Just in case your thinking of having a civil union with your cat, dog...or your horse. Funny you say that I saw the other day May 6, 2011 Florida's state legislature passed a bill this week outlawing bestiality. The bill was introduced in 2008 after a notorious case involving a pet goat. WHAT THE HELL TOOK SO LONG!!! | ||
| Geforce |
"between humans" That will be the next step in "human rights". Phillip... I join you shortly on the count down to ETS clock. Never thought I'd say it but the degree is coming along nicely, and it's time to head home. | ||
| Argentcorvid |
Last time I checked, both parties were required to explicitly consent to enter into any legal contract (Which a marriage is), which is why there are also age restrictions. As for the 'GAY marriage' vs. 'marriage' thing; why? Where is the cut-off point? Using your logic, some Catholics (among others) would have grounds to demand that a different term be used for a previously divorced person marrying someone, even outside their church. If your particular school of religious though says marriage shall be between a man and a woman, that means that your particular sanctioning body shouldn't marry anyone else. It does not mean that you should be able to prevent other organizations from doing differently. Do you believe that marriages performed by a Justice of the Peace are any less valid than one performed by a minister? Maybe in the eyes of whatever deity you believe in, but not in the eyes of the law. | ||
| 86129squids |
hunnnhhh? | ||
| Cpeg |
Sure wish there would have been womans aboard when I was floating around with all them mans. Why is it your right to dictate what is right for everybody else? | ||
| Cityxslicker |
this is not what they had in mind when the thought up the protocols for 'two man integrity' | ||
| Two_seasons |
The reason I think that it will become the #1 issue within the military is history. Whenever someone decides that their rights trump the rights of others within a society, military or civilian, then there will be a breakdown within that group of people. Some people within that societal group will be given, through law, more rights than others within that group. History has shown us that whenever there is deviant behavior that is codified into law, society suffers. | ||
| Crackhead |
I don't car what you are, as long as you do your job and complete the mission. | ||
| Drkside79 |
The fact that this is still an issue is a joke. Two consenting adults can an should be able to do whatever they want with one another. Period. If you don't like the idea of screwing other men than don't do it. It's really not that hard of a concept. | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
couple of things... I just think its funny the Navy is leading the way on this one... I don't care one way or another what adults do with or to each other in the privacy of there own home.... On ship, in a fox hole, squad bay, barracks... I may take issue... especially if I walked in on sausage sword fight | ||
| Xdigitalx |
haha good point wolf. I agree about it being too much of an issue. Just start a new branch of service, like the Navy Seals, or Delta force or Green Berets. Call them "GM Soldiers", put GM patches on their uniforms (of course they would have to earn it somehow), and be proud to wear it. For the rest of us, make it civil union or GAY MARRIAGE and be done with it once and for all. | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
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| Racerx |
So much repressed homosexuality in this thread you can smell the burning KY... | ||
| Xdigitalx |
Probably already happening but...won't the drill sergeant will have to come up with Politically correct insults to the trainees? | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
KY? to sticky.... Astroglide all the way! | ||
| Cpeg |
They will also have to come up with a different name for the "Drill" sergeant I still don't understand why it is your right to dictate what is deviant or legal. |
