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     Davegess |
Reindog good one  Someday I'll have to write up a summary of the political views of some of my more progressive friends. | ||
| Aesquire |
Maybe that is just the American way of coing things though. no. That's a narcissist who's running for office. Politicians have to have big egos, thats a given, some, bigger than life. Americans are saying " WE kicked his a$$!" then thanking Seal Team 6, the CIA and the military. "I ordered the strike" may turn out to be false. Rumors abound. Could have had OBL years sooner at Tora Bora, or elsewhere had we not been pi$$ing around in Iraq, "searching for WMDs." I'm half with you. I seriously disagree'd with Bush on the handling of the search for Bin Laden. Of course, If I'd been in charge, I doubt I'd have looked for the guy in a suburb of the capital next door to the military academy. As far as the WMD's go, you want the link to the pictures of the dead women and kids who were gassed by Saddam? Or just the eyewitness accounts? Or maybe the Iranian protests at the UN? Or the guy with the plagues in his freezer? The Polish troops pictures of the Mustard gas shells? the....... While I'm bitching about stupid propaganda parroting..... Barack's "57 states" line was a joke. Actually fairly funny. You can watch the comment on Youtube. Scary part, most of the crowd didn't get the joke. | ||
| Blake |
Slinky people! I almost forgot that. Too funny. Dave G, Wow. I had no idea you were a communist in your youth. Did you?  It's just that the misleading points ("mission accomplished" applied to the entire Iraq invasion/rebuilding effort, "end of major combat" applied to occupation effort and insurgency) that you are apparently willing to buy into indicate far left fringe. I had no idea. >>> The whole Bush is god... I don't know of anyone here who holds GWB in the esteem that you imply, not even close. I sure don't. That kind of exaggeration is very strange coming from you, a usually very measured commentator. I hope you give the opposition a chance. I'll admit that if things are turned around going swimmingly, I'll certainly reconsider. I don't see it. | ||
| Just_ziptab |
I wonder...........who the fall guy would be "IF" the mission went bad? Did Obama wait to announce the mission attempt "after" it was a success? If it failed,would it be:"I had nothing to do with it"? (Yeah,I know.Just say'n) | ||
| Crusty |
Did you hear about the new drink everyone's ordering? Its called a Bin Laden... Its 2 shots and a splash of water. | ||
| Crusty |
Face Book Update:  | ||
| Geforce |
^ Ahahahahaaaaa! Crusty, that is awesome. | ||
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| Scooter808484 |
As far as the WMD's go, you want the link to the pictures of the dead women and kids who were gassed by Saddam? Or just the eyewitness accounts? Or maybe the Iranian protests at the UN? Or the guy with the plagues in his freezer? The Polish troops pictures of the Mustard gas shells? the....... All true, but that was several years before Bush the Second went into Iraq. What I remember from that time was Rummy and Condy going on TV showing the secret bunkers with trucks sitting outside, claiming that was evidence of WMDs. Heck, I bought it. But then they couldn't find anything, at least not like they claimed. I would likely have supported the war if GW Bush had said, " That SOB tried to kill my dad!" But he didn't. He claimed WMDs and Al Queda. Big con game or massively incorrect intelligence, who knows. While I'm at it, then I'll shut up... someone a few pages back said something to the effect that the military cost would have been the same whether we were at war or not. I'm guessing there are families of thousands of dead and wounded soldiers, that disagree. Ok, one more thing, Biden may be a clown and screw some stuff up, but at least he never shot anyone. | ||
| Sifo |
Could have had OBL years sooner at Tora Bora, or elsewhere had we not been pi$$ing around in Iraq, "searching for WMDs." Someone really drank the Kool Aid. Tora Bora, November of 2001. Iraq war, March 2003. True we never found the WMDs in Iraq. We also never answered the question of what was in the military trucks heading into Syria days before the war began. Even then WMDs were just a single reason of many that were listed as justification for invading Iraq. The world is better off with Saddam gone. There is little question about that is there? | ||
| Crusty |
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| Scooter808484 |
The world is better off with Saddam gone. There is little question about that is there? Little question. Worth the price paid in blood and treasure? Much bigger question. | ||
| Joshinga |
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| Sifo |
Little question. Worth the price paid in blood and treasure? Much bigger question. And if you were in the command chair your choice of action would have been...? | ||
| Scooter808484 |
And if you were in the command chair your choice of action would have been...? Depends, the original cause sold to the public, was Weapons of Mass Destruction. (You can say that there were numerous other justifications, but the only thing Rummy, Colin and Condy trotted out on TV was WMDs.) If that was a big con game, then the war was a fraud, and I would not have done it, or if I had, I should have been impeached, and maybe be put in jail. If the Intelligence team I assembled as part of my administration completely sold me a bill of goods, then I may have entered the war. All that makes me is incompetent. Either way, still my fault. If you're asking would I have sent forces in only to rid the world of Saddam Hussein, then no I wouldn't have, and I'm fairly certain that would have been a majority opinion at the time. | ||
| Sifo |
And if you were in the command chair your choice of action would have been...? Depends, the original cause sold to the public, was Weapons of Mass Destruction. (You can say that there were numerous other justifications, but the only thing Rummy, Colin and Condy trotted out on TV was WMDs.) If that was a big con game, then the war was a fraud, and I would not have done it, or if I had, I should have been impeached, and maybe be put in jail. If the Intelligence team I assembled as part of my administration completely sold me a bill of goods, then I may have entered the war. All that makes me is incompetent. Either way, still my fault. If you're asking would I have sent forces in only to rid the world of Saddam Hussein, then no I wouldn't have, and I'm fairly certain that would have been a majority opinion at the time. OK, so you wouldn't have gone to war. What WOULD you have done. That's the question I asked. You are the President of the US in 2001. What is your policy regarding Saddam Hussein? | ||
| Davegess |
We regularly just sort of let these despot sit. We had no reason to go after Irag that didn't also apply about 100 times over for North Korea. Why are we not there? That guy makes Saddam look like Mother Teresa. And he has nukes. Irag was a giant waste of lives and money. If they have a secular democratic country ten years from now I will be surprised. | ||
| Sifo |
North Korea had nukes in 2001? I don't think so. Were we left holding the UN bag enforcing a no-fly zone for 12 years in North Korea prior to 2001, having our planes shot at on a daily basis? I will give you that the President at the time did include North Korea as part of the axis of evil at the time though. He took a lot of heat for saying that from the left. So what would you have done? Just let him sit? The left was screaming to end sanctions at the time. We now know Saddam was just waiting for that day to restart his weapons programs. Is that really the course of action you would have taken in 2001? And to think that you have knowledge that we didn't have back then about Saddam's intentions. | ||
| Ezblast |
I'd have sent a SEAL hit squad after him back then (and the N.K. leader) - he wasn't hiding - lol - and it would have been a good warm up for Osama. EZ (Message edited by ezblast on May 05, 2011) | ||
| Sifo |
BTW, Iraq has a much better chance of being something good in the world in 10 year than Afghanistan. I don't see any hope for Afghanistan to become anything but a region of tribal warfare for generations to come. Iraq has a fairly educated population that have some understanding that being a reasonable player in the world can be a very good thing. | ||
| Paint_shaker |
Fear not, Obama will probably be appologizing to someone, somehwere about taking Osama out.... | ||
| Joshinga |
I swear you guy could get free ice cream and bitch about the flavor  | ||
| Moxnix |
I was listening to an NPR program Monday evening with a religious leader in DC saying public celebrations of OBL's death cheapen us as a people. On the contrary, thought I, we get to inflict the final act of indignity on bin Laden. Perhaps a week of national acts of ridicule is in order. After all, justice has been served. Ridicule is a powerful weapon. We don't have to keep our contempt toward bin Laden a secret, nor our feeling on the manner of his demise. | ||
| Danger_dave |
How was that slum they caught him in a 'luxury hideout'? | ||
| Blake |
Dave G. >>> We had no reason to go after Irag that didn't also apply about 100 times over for North Korea. I KNOW that you're a better critical thinker than one who would truly mean that. It isn't true. Saddam Hussein, warmongering (against us), invading, mass-murdering, miscalculating, ego-maniacal terrorist with ties to al qaeda, flouted UN resolutions, obfuscated weapons inspectors, violated terms of cease fire, attempted to assassinate former president Bush, publicly praised the 9/11 attackers, and reportedly expressed a desire to perpetrate attack against America on the scale of 9/11. There is no parallel anywhere in the world other than Hitler prior to Poland. After 9/11, you'd let him sit? No president would have. No Dem leader in congress would have. They were screaming for regime change. But when partisan politics beg the turncoats try to change the story. Despicable. Perfect example...
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| Johnnymceldoo |
The big con game wasn't iraq but all of the democrats who said saddam was a threat and had weapons of mass destruction. Then jump ship along with most media in an effort to win the the next election all the while making our fighting forces believe they were sacrificing for nothing. "Mission accomplished" democrats! | ||
| Aesquire |
Again, brilliant move. No one is talking about the higher unemployment, gas prices, inflation, and loss of civil liberties as we are told what to eat. A few random rumors. V Jarrett is the puppetmaster, tried to stop the mission, and Obama didn't even know the mission was on until it was. Panetta was the scapegoat in case it all went wrong but used that to make it happen. Obama was on the golf course when it went down, and the 16 hour soul search is a myth. As are most everything out of the white house. ( Don't have a clue as to how true, but fits all actual known facts....unlike the White House leaks ) Osama has been dead for years, and the chopper that crashed had the cryo-chamber his body was in..... ( I rate this one with the Hitlers Brain in a Robot theory ) The whole thing was fake. We didn't get Osama. ( possible, but the backlash would get even the darling of Chris Mathews impeached WHEN it comes out. ) Conspiracies never hold. Someone always talks. Ask Nixon. "Achievment unlocked"  You may disagree with going into Iraq. You may disagree with the steps taken to free that part of the 50 million freed by US under Bush. You may not convince me with oft repeated propaganda I know to be false. The Polish troops found poison gas....after we freed Iraq. Allied troops were attacked by binary gas bombs used as IED's. Luckily, the bomb rigger thought they were normal shells, and the poison gas didn't mix properly and only contaminated a small area. Not Brooklyn. The ex-Spetnaz General has a book on how they smuggled wmd material to Syria. The U.N. had no, and Saddam gave no documentation at all on the destruction of known quantities of WMD's that were missing from their Clinton era bunkers. OTOH, Bush used the wmd threat more than he should have, ( though Bill, Hillary, etc. did too ) and no one seems to have paid attention to Bush's other reasons, like freeing the Iraqi people from Tyranny. And...N.Korea should have been taken out years ago. No doubt. Trouble is, we'd have to take out China first. How many billions do we want to kill to save the starving N. Koreans? | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
picture from Bin Ladens funeral....  | ||
| Davegess |
Blake, there was NO reason that the American people would have supported for invading Irag EXCEPT the whole WMD thing. Everything else has been spin after the fact. If regime change for bad guys is the reason for a US invasion than we are in deep trouble. It is simply imperialism disguised. Saddam was an awful man. No more awful, and you could argue he is less awful, than the fool in North Korea or the communists running China. Both are abusing their own people and committing atrocities. NK saber rattles on almost a daily basis. The majority of Americans went into Irag because of WMDs. There were none. Was the president a liar or did have incompetent employees? Bush wanted to take Saddam down, don't know why he had such a hard on for the guy but he did. I think it was a huge mistake. It has cost us thousands of lives, made the task in Afghanistan doubly difficult, destabilized the area. Why? 'cause Saddam was a really bad guy? That is weak, very weak. As to what i would have done? Nothing needed to be done. | ||
| Sifo |
Everything else has been spin after the fact. This is simply documented as untrue. So what was it that you would have done regarding Saddam back in 2001. Keep in mind too that the previous administration believed that he had active WMD programs. Bush simply took action where others gave speeches. But I would like to hear what you think would have been the best course of action back in 2001. |
