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Wolfridgerider
Posted on Wednesday, May 04, 2011 - 08:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My ass may have ridden in Navy equipment....
unlike my Navy counter parts....
whos ass got ridden with some Navy dudes equipment....

Navy words to live by "It aint gay if you're under way"

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Fresnobuell
Posted on Wednesday, May 04, 2011 - 08:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Time Magazine Sept 14th article on 9/11 attacks. Long but worth a read.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1 000761-1,00.html
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Court
Posted on Wednesday, May 04, 2011 - 08:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The more The White House talks . . the more their story falls apart.
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Sifo
Posted on Wednesday, May 04, 2011 - 08:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So let me get this straight... BO won't show a single picture of OBL because of the potential for it to be used against us, but they release these photos of other KIAs from that same mission. I really don't get it.

*** Warning... Graphic images of dead folks ***
http://www.calgarysun.com/2011/05/04/photos-show-t hree-dead-men-at-bin-laden-raid-house
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Joshinga
Posted on Wednesday, May 04, 2011 - 08:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"The photos, taken by a Pakistani security official who entered the compound ...The official, who wished to remain anonymous, sold the pictures to Reuters" to me it kind of reeks of unreliability. How do I know those are from the house and not from a raid 6 months ago? Sometimes you just have to say ok it happened and move on.
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Sifo
Posted on Wednesday, May 04, 2011 - 09:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So they weren't released by our government. At least that makes sense. I guess Pakistan's government isn't on the same page as our government on the impact of these kinds of photos.
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Paint_shaker
Posted on Wednesday, May 04, 2011 - 09:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

How dare we release a photograph of a dead POS that was the mastermind behind hijacking 4 jets and crashing into select targets, killing numerous innocent citzens, first responders who went to save them and military personel because it may spark hate towards us (HEAVY SARCASIM)!!!!!!!!


GTFO!!!!!!! I got news for you; The followers of Bin Laden who are still alive already hate us!!! F them, their kind and all they stand for!!!! We are America and we will kick your azz if you mess with us!!!

Edited: To read Bin Laden, as oppossed to Obama.

(Message edited by Paint shaker on May 05, 2011)
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Sifo
Posted on Wednesday, May 04, 2011 - 09:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The followers of Obama

Whoops?
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Xdigitalx
Posted on Wednesday, May 04, 2011 - 10:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I noticed the past couple days... some cable news agencies are changing the spelling of Osama to Usama. Maybe a typo... maybe not.
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Court
Posted on Wednesday, May 04, 2011 - 10:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

>>>>The followers of Osama who are still alive already hate us!!!

We Canfield's think alike.

Someone told me today . . "if we release the picture, we'll anger folks".

Of course, my question was . . . "how did they feel about us shooting him in the face?"

Idiots abound . . . him and all his followers.
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Wolfridgerider
Posted on Wednesday, May 04, 2011 - 10:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

in the FACE... I can't help but laugh.
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Joshinga
Posted on Wednesday, May 04, 2011 - 11:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

FWIW is seeing OBL's brains splattered all over the front page worth the potential risk to all of the deployed troops that have to deal with the assumed backlash firsthand?
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Trojan
Posted on Thursday, May 05, 2011 - 05:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Someone told me today . . "if we release the picture, we'll anger folks".

I don't think it is a case of angering anyone (they are already angry enough!). What they are trying to avoid is making anything to do with Bin Laden a shrine or an icon. Hence the burial at sea with no 'shrine' to visit in future for followers.
I support the decision not to show pictures (why should they?) of this and other operations, and in my mind they should not be releasing as much information as they have already. What happened to keeping secrets in the secret service? Lets just wait for Wikileaks to publish it all in a few years time instead ; )
However anyone that hinks that the death of Bin Laden signals the end of terrorism or Al Queada is unfortunately deluded : ( The intelligence gathering and hard work just has to start again now to find the new leaders.
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Court
Posted on Thursday, May 05, 2011 - 06:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I agree Matt . . . . I'm fine with the decision and more troubled by the current administration's inability to communicate it.

On the other hand . . . . it's entertaining to watch the Secretary of State (a former Arkansas lawyer with a spotty legal history) give one explanation at the very moment the head of the C.I.A. is contradicting her two doors away.

This is truly . . . . the gang who couldn't shoot straight.

And then the idiots decide to come here (which some of the 9-11 family group members terms a "despicable photo op" since they've been "kind of instructed" to show up. They've not been told where or when, only that they will be provided "scripted" questions and are not allowed to talk to the President . . . there's sensitivity for ya) and screw the traffic up all day . . . . .

We . . . .like everyday here in NYC . . are on "high alert".
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Aesquire
Posted on Thursday, May 05, 2011 - 06:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'd build a shrine. Nice one. fake marble, domes, minarets, big meeting tents. Afghanistan, near the Paki border.
Then, when occupied by worshipful followers.... the demo charges blow!

Just a thought. If we do it cleverly, we could build several.
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Sayitaintso
Posted on Thursday, May 05, 2011 - 06:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'd build a shrine. Nice one. fake marble, domes, minarets, big meeting tents. Afghanistan, near the Paki border.
Then, when occupied by worshipful followers.... the demo charges blow!

Just a thought. If we do it cleverly, we could build several.


I was actually thinking of something along the lines of:

Use some type of low level radioactive paint that will rub off on the "visitors" and then track them to see where they go. Who knows what we'd find.
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Trojan
Posted on Thursday, May 05, 2011 - 08:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I must admit I am a real fan of Barack Obama (although I don't have to live with him I suppose!), although I think the handling of this whole Bin Laden affair is in danger of becoming a media event rather than what should have been an admirable intelligence report.
The initial TV announcemant by Obama just seemed too over the top, too 'glitzy' and too self congratulationary (is that a word?) for me. Maybe that is just the American way of coing things though.

I'm sure if the British had killed him it would have got a mention on the inside pages of The Times instead, just after the Royal Wedding.....and some pressure group would already be complaining that Bin Laden had his human rights abused ; )
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Court
Posted on Thursday, May 05, 2011 - 08:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So.........last nit we parade out our national vice-comedian, Joe Biden.

Yep . . . . In his effort to appear " in the know" he thanked, by name, a person who's name was to remain Top Secret.

We have the best idiots money can buy.

I'm miffed as to why we don't already have that helicopter back. I'd have had a team in there within 3 hours and have made it clear to the Pakistani government . . . . "anyone who approaches it will be treated to a demonstration of another piece of technology you've never seen".

Stupid

Funny

Incompetent

We're got it all . . . .
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Sayitaintso
Posted on Thursday, May 05, 2011 - 08:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I was wondering the same thing about the helicopter.
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Court
Posted on Thursday, May 05, 2011 - 09:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yep...... Various newspapers had photos of tractor drawn carts hauling away all the helicopter remains under tarps . . . . Speculation is that the Chinese, who have been dying to get their hands on the technology, already have it.
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Trojan
Posted on Thursday, May 05, 2011 - 09:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yep...... Various newspapers had photos of tractor drawn carts hauling away all the helicopter remains under tarps . . . . Speculation is that the Chinese, who have been dying to get their hands on the technology, already have it.

I undertood that the crew set the helicopter alight after crashing so that there was little left to take? Plus I think you'd be very surprised at just how much of our 'classified' technology the Chinese/Russians already have.

When I was in the RAF (Back when Pontius was a pilot) a sad and financially embarrassed Chief Tech decided to get some extra money by selling 'secret' plans of the Vulcan V bombers to the Russians (at the time these were very secret indeed!).

They politely refused and handed him straight over to the British Police, saying that they already had all the information they required thank you ; )
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Danger_dave
Posted on Thursday, May 05, 2011 - 09:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You guys could win the lottery and you'd complain that now people want to borrow money off you.
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Moxnix
Posted on Thursday, May 05, 2011 - 09:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

We'll buy it back from the Pakis.
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Davegess
Posted on Thursday, May 05, 2011 - 10:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You guys could win the lottery and you'd complain that now people want to borrow money off you.

Good one Dave.

The last Prez, the one everyone here holds up as the good example of how to do this stuff, I remember something about an aircraft carrier and a "Mission Accomplished" sign that was about 6 years and a trillion dollars premature. BUT he knew how to do things, the current admin is bumbling amateurs. Go figure.

Lets talk bikes, as long as we don't mention the TT we seem to get along when we talk about that.
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Hootowl
Posted on Thursday, May 05, 2011 - 10:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Good lord. The mission accomplished banner was for the crew of the Lincoln who had just completed a 10 month deployment, the longest since Vietnam. (I left the Lincoln the day she got underway for that cruise by the way). He announced the end of MAJOR combat operations, not combat operations. Nothing premature about it.
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Blake
Posted on Thursday, May 05, 2011 - 11:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Matt,

>>> The initial TV announcemant by Obama just seemed too over the top, too 'glitzy' and too self congratulationary (is that a word?) for me. Maybe that is just the American way of coing things though.

I think you are just now noticing what many of us have seen for a long time now. The man is in perpetual campaign mode, except for when he enjoyed a super-majority in the senate and was able to ram his social change agenda down our throats.





Dave G.,

Seriously, what Jeff (Hootowl) said. I had no idea you were so far gone into lefty land. Turn the rudder and make a course correction before it's too late old friend!

>>> The last Prez, the one everyone here holds up as the good example of how to do this stuff.

Huh? Bush royally boofed Iraq, so I'd not hold him up as an example of how to get the job done in all cases. He did take the fight to the islamists, which I support. And once the boofing of Iraq was impossible to deny, they did change course and achieve success; note that success was achieved contrary to the views of Obama (the whole "surge" strategy deal, which Obama opposed and to this day has trouble admitting was successful). Obama was wrong on that and Bush was right. Can't deny that.

Big credit to Obama for NOT informing the Pakis prior to the operation. The Chicago way can prove useful in warfare.
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Drkside79
Posted on Thursday, May 05, 2011 - 11:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have to admit that i am personally disappointed that we do not get to see the photos of Bin Ladin. However i believe that is only due to my morbid curiosity combined with my hate of him.

The rational part of me thinks that Obama made the right call on the Photos. As much of POS as Osama was he IS dead now and no good would have come from publishing the photos. I actually due believe Obama and his reasoning. Also if for no other reason then the fact that we do not need to disrespect the remains of anyone no matter how vile they are. WE are supposed to be better than them and I don't see how making a spectacle out of his remains would have shown that.

Sometimes i dislike my rational side. *sigh*
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Fahren
Posted on Thursday, May 05, 2011 - 11:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm surprised, after 6 pages on this, that no one has mentioned the notion (or, the "conspiracy theory") that OBL has been dead since around 2001, and that we were all set up.

http://www.infowars.com/top-us-government-insider- bin-laden-died-in-2001-911-a-false-flag/

If that were true, it reinforces how all politicians are liars, but that the current crop just isn't as adept at it.

Whether you believe there is some fishy business going on with this or not (and there is certainly enough flying around right now in the press that registers on my personal BS meter), I'll stand by my paragraph above, about lying politicians.

I'm not trying to say that I believe or dis-believe anything about the OBL situation. Just putting info "out there" for everyone to jump all over; the above link is about as credible as the pix of Obama, Hillary and the gang all sitting around the White House with tense looks on their faces, looking like they are watching the American Idol final judging, as they are supposedly watching "live and direct" the assault on a Pakistani suburban compound.

(Message edited by fahren on May 05, 2011)
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Court
Posted on Thursday, May 05, 2011 - 11:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Of course . . having Biden "out" this guy was probably overdue . . . it's been 2 years, this week, since he slipped and reveled the location of the secret bunker.

The guy is a laugh a minute . . . I wonder if it was wise for the pres to let Joe watch the raid?


quote:

Biden's List of Political Blunders

Published July 28, 2009 | FOXNews.com

-- On July 16, 2009, Vice President Biden gave a blunt summation of the administration's approach to stimulus spending.

"People, when I say that, look at me and say, 'What are you talking about, Joe? You're telling me we have to go spend money to keep from going bankrupt?" he said at a stop in Virginia. "The answer is yes."

-- On July 5, 2009, in an interview with ABC's "This Week," Biden conceded that the White House team "misread how bad the economy was." His confession came as unemployment hit 9.5 percent, despite the administration's insistence that it would hold to 8 percent with the stimulus plan.

-- On April 30, 2009, Biden gave advice on dealing with swine flu that seemed to contradict President Obama's warning not to panic. Speaking on NBC's "Today," Biden, a longtime Amtrak rider who has commuted for decades daily from Delaware to Washington, D.C., said he wouldn't advise family necessarily against going to Mexico, the source of the H1N1 outbreak, but he wouldn't tell them to get into any small area like a subway car, automobile, classroom or airplane.

"I would tell members of my family, and I have, I wouldn't go anywhere in confined places right now," Biden said. "It's not that its going to Mexico, it's that you are in a confined aircraft when one person sneezes, it goes everywhere through the aircraft. That's me."

-- On March 13, 2009, Biden addressed a former Senate colleague by saying, "An hour late, oh give me a f**king break," after he arrived on Amtrak at Union Station in Washington, D.C. The vice president's expletive was caught on a live microphone.

-- During a Feb. 25, 2009, interview on CBS' "Early Show," Biden encouraged viewers to visit a government-run Web site that tracks stimulus spending. When asked for the site's web address, Biden could not remember the site's "number."

"You know, I'm embarrassed. Do you know the Web site number?" he asked an aide standing out of view. "I should have it in front of me and I don't. I'm actually embarrassed."

-- At a Jan. 30, 2009, swearing-in ceremony of senior White House staff, Biden mocked Chief Justice John Roberts for his presidential oath blunder on Inauguration Day.

"Am I doing this again?" Biden said, after Obama asked him to administer the oath. When Biden was told the swearing-in was for senior staff -- and not cabinet members -- the vice president quipped, "My memory is not as good as Justice Roberts," prompting a stern nudge from Obama.

-- On Inauguration Day, Jan. 20 2009, Biden misspoke when he told a cheering crowd of supporters, "Jill and I had the great honor of standing on that stage, looking across at one of the great justices, Justice Stewart." Justice John Paul Stevens -- not Stewart -- swore Biden in as vice president.

-- When criticizing former GOP nominee John McCain in Athens, Ohio, on Oct. 15, 2008, Biden said, "Look, John's last-minute economic plan does nothing to tackle the number-one job facing the middle class, and it happens to be, as Barack says, a three-letter word: jobs. J-O-B-S, jobs."

-- In a Sept. 22, 2008, CBS interview, Biden misspoke when he said Franklin D. Roosevelt was president when the stock market crashed in 1929.

"When the stock market crashed, Franklin D. Roosevelt got on the television and didn't just talk about the, you know, the princes of greed. He said, 'Look, here's what happened," he said. Herbert Hoover -- not Roosevelt -- was president in 1929, and television had not yet been invented in 1929.

-- During a Sept. 12, 2008, speech in Columbia, Mo., Biden called for Missouri State Sen. Chuck Graham, who is wheelchair-bound, to "stand up."

"Oh, God love ya," Biden said, after realizing his mistake. "What am I talking about?"

-- At a Sept. 10, 2008, town hall meeting in Nashua, N.H., Biden said, "Hillary Clinton is as qualified or more qualified than I am to be vice president of the United States of America. Quite frankly, it might have been a better pick than me."

-- Biden mistakenly referred to Alaska governor Sarah Palin as the "lieutenant governor" of her state during a town hall meeting on Sept. 4, 2008 at George Mason University in Manassas, Va.

"I heard a very, by the way I mean this sincerely, a very strong and a very good political speech from a lieutenant governor of Alaska who I think is going to be very formidable, very formidable not only in the campaign but in the debate," Biden said.

-- Biden said he was running for president -- not vice president -- during a Sept. 1, 2008, roundtable discussion in Scranton, Pa.

"Today is the moment for me as a United States senator running for president to put aside the national politics and focus on what's happening down there," Biden said.

-- Biden referred to John McCain as "George" during his vice presidential acceptance speech on Aug. 27, 2008, at the Democratic National Convention in Denver, Co. "Freudian slip, folks, Freudian slip," he explained.

-- Biden confused army brigades with battalions when speaking about Obama's plan for sending troops to Afghanistan.

"Or should we trust Barack Obama, who more than a year ago called for sending two additional combat brigades to Afghanistan?"

-- During his first campaign rally with Obama as his vice presidential running mate on Aug. 23, 2008, Biden introduced Obama by saying, "A man I'm proud to call my friend. A man who will be the next President of the United States -- Barack America!"

-- On Jan. 31, 2007 -- the day Biden announced his presidential bid -- the Delaware Senator was roundly criticized for calling Obama "the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."




By the way . . those are sourced from FOX news so some folks will have problems with that. If there is one of them that is inaccurate or misquoted, please correct it.

The guy is a total bozo.
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Xl1200r
Posted on Thursday, May 05, 2011 - 11:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The initial TV announcemant by Obama just seemed too over the top, too 'glitzy' and too self congratulationary (is that a word?) for me. Maybe that is just the American way of coing things though.

Not the American way, just the Obama way. I forget the statistic, but it was something about how he was on TV considerably more in his first 100 days as predident than any other in history. He's kind of a media .
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