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     Hootowl |
"not to fly nape of the earth over mountains." You are WAY wrong. The A-6 comes to mind. The SEAL team was most likely delivered by the Navy, operating from the same carrier that a$$wipe's body was delivered to for burial at sea. | ||
| Sifo |
Al-Qaida pulled off the Sept. 11 attacks for somewhere in the vicinity of $500,000, according to the final report of the 9/11 Commission. By the end of fiscal 2011, the US government will have spent $1.26 trillion fighting the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, estimates the Center for Defense Information. A total equal to nearly 9% of the national debt. There is no way to monetize the human costs of either 9/11 or this past decade in our response to it. Those costs are BS. The Pentagon would have spent almost as much money had we not ever been there. Peacetime budgets are in the hundreds of billions annually. We're going through more ammo now, and that's about it. The costs are also BS because only the first strike costs are being looked on AQ's side. They certainly haven't been fighting for the past decade without expenses. Granted the costs are still very asymmetrical, but you have to keep in mind that our military also has to defend against high tech nations, not just cave dwellers. | ||
| Blake |
Does the Navy have Blackhawk pilots, or are they all Marines? | ||
| Xl1200r |
We're also trying to get particular people as opposed to mass murder. I'd be willing to bet that even our gov't could manage to kill 3,000 random Arab civilians for far less than $500k, if we want to compare apples to apples. | ||
| Sifo |
This is just pretty cool... http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3562677/Fearless-four-legged-war-hero.html (Message edited by SIFO on May 04, 2011) | ||
| Sifo |
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| Paint_shaker |
The raid during the Carter Administration did not fail because it was poorly planned. It failed because of "kid gloves" mentallity of those in a position above the planners/participants. The Osama mission us an excellent example of what can be done when you let the people who are trained to do their job, do their job!!! On a different note, the media is now trying to make a big deal the SEAL Commander said for god and country as he announced the success of the mission. I say rock on Commander!!!! | ||
| Hootowl |
I take that back...I think I remember reading that the assets were based in Afganistan, so they wouldn't have deployed from a carrier. I still maintain that the Navy doesn't train their pilots to only fly over the ocean. All carrier based attack aircraft and their crews fly missions over land. Medium range land attack missions are the Navy's forte. They have helo crews that do SAR missions behind enemy lines. I'm guessing that a SAR team flies pretty low when looking for downed pilots, and we've all heard about A-6's coming back from Vietnam with tree marks on the wings. The Navy's mission didn't change with the adoption of the A-6's replacement, but we did lose one hell of an aircraft. FYI I was in the Navy for 12 years, and deployed to the gulf three times aboard aircraft carriers, and I worked on various aircraft including A-6, F/A-18C, F-14 A+ and D, and the Mighty S-3B Viking (that's a joke by the way, if there were ever an aircraft that needed to be retired, that was it). | ||
| Hootowl |
LOL. For "getting" him? The guy who pulled the trigger. For finding him? Bush, Obama, and hundreds if not thousands of people gleaning information from disparate sources and piecing together where he might be. Obama had to make the call to do an op inside another country without telling the other country what we were doing. There may be repercussions. Good on him. He made the right decision. Clinton took a pass when he had the opportunity. | ||
| Drkside79 |
Well the Blackhawk has approximately enough fuel for a 3 and a half hour flight. and @ about 159kn or 180somthing MPH that would mean they could achieve about 3 to 320 miles one way although they would be pushing their fuel supply. So I am unsure if those stats are correct how the attack could have been based from a carrier. Unless there was a fuel stop at some point. As per an Army Pilot i know. although he flies Chinooks which are faster and go farther but would not make a good vehicle for a quick assault | ||
| Drkside79 |
>>>>> Does the Navy have Blackhawk pilots, or are they all Marines? Good question. Although technically they are all the Department of the Navy. I only point that out as up the chain i believe the flight order would come from Navy. I may be wrong though. Either way I am not trying to start a We're not the Navy fight nor am i trying to insult someone. (Message edited by drkside79 on May 04, 2011) | ||
| Drkside79 |
I have good friends that are Marines and they tend to get unhappy when a Navy reference is made. | ||
| Reindog |
That is because sailors shave their legs.  | ||
| Joshinga |
Seals will use what ever insert/extraction unit that works for the mission be it Army Navy or Marines, or in rare cases Air force.lol | ||
| Joshinga |
Blake: The Navy does have Blackhawk pilots its just the Navy doesn't call them Blackhawks. its called a Seahawk. but both are UH-60's just configured a little different. | ||
| Joshinga |
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| Crackhead |
 They come in more then gun metal too. | ||
| Glitch |
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| Wolfridgerider |
Release the damn picture! | ||
| Hootowl |
It'll be released just prior to the 2012 federal election. $1 Any takers? | ||
| Joshinga |
President Barack Obama said Wednesday he's decided not to release death photos of terrorist Osama bin Laden because their graphic nature could incite violence and create national security risks for the United States. "There's no doubt we killed Osama bin Laden," the president said in an interview with CBS News, and there was no need to release the photographs or gloat. "There's no need to spike the football," he said. The president said that for anyone who doesn't believe bin Laden is dead, "we don't think that a photograph in and of itself is going to make any difference." "There are going to be some folks who deny it. The fact of the matter is you won't see bin Laden walking on this earth again," said Obama. | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
Discussion all over the aviation boards about the pictures coming out of Pakistan showing a previously unknown stealth helicopter being used in the raid. Photo below is of the wreckage of the chopper that went down. Note: wreckage already on it's way to China  (Message edited by Ferris_von_bueller on May 04, 2011) (Message edited by Ferris_von_bueller on May 04, 2011) | ||
| Pkforbes87 |
My Ass Rides In Navy Equipment  | ||
| Hootowl |
I thought the SEAL team destroyed the helicopter that was damaged? I agree with Obama's assertion that the picture won't matter. It'll be decried as a fake, and those who want to believe he's still alive and that we're lying will continue to believe that. I also believe he'll "give in" and release the photo...right before the election. | ||
| Just_ziptab |
What happened to "transparency"? | ||
| Sifo |
And from 2 years ago... Barack Obama to release up to 2,000 photographs of prisoner abuse | ||
| Aesquire |
Hoot, agree on photo. I'd be willing to bet that even our gov't could manage to kill 3,000 random Arab civilians for far less than $500k, if we want to compare apples to apples. We could kill all random Arab civilians if we wanted to. Cost a few billion. Really? You want to discuss how much we spend on killing Arabs? Darn little. A box of 5.56 isn't much at all. The training to pop a guy in the head at any range at all is far more expensive. Better to ask, how many people who were enemies of the Arab People were killed on 9/11? My guess, 2. ( out of 3000+ that's pretty likely ) How many people became suspicious of the motivations of the Islamists after 9/11? ( lots ) How many people who aren't idiots, leftist ideologues, or Muslim, now distrust Islam because of the fanatics who repeatedly tell us they will kill us unless we submit???............. Bin Laden may have been the greatest enemy of Muslims ever born. His actions may result in the death of more Muslims than any other person in history, including the Pope & the Crusades. His followers have killed far more muslims than the U.S. ( counting Afghanistan, Iraq, and Libya ) I not sure about that broken tail rotor. It could be an armored varient used by spec-ops Blackhawks. Not stealth at all, just a cover for the delicate tail rotor hub. For stealth, look at the canceled Comanche. http://nightstalkers.americanspecialops.com/helico pters/mh-60.php http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing/Sikorsky_RAH-6 6_Comanche A Stealth Rotor would either be in a Fenestron http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fenestron or have more blades to reduce noise. ( the tale of the silenced Heli and the phone tap may be known to some here. ) | ||
| Bhillberg |
Marines do NOT have blackhawks. They have a couple "whitehawks" which is the same platform essentially but used as Marine 1 in foreign lands when it is too hard to ship the larger Marine 1 used stateside. | ||
| Joshinga |
They were gonna get one. CH-60E Proposed assault helicopter for US Marines (cancelled) | ||
| Joshinga |
More than likely they were delivered in one of these.  MH-60K MH-60K is the standard special operations version of the Black Hawk. It is capable of providing long-range airlifts far into hostile territory in adverse weather conditions. Modifications include two removable 230 gallon external fuel tanks, two .50 cal. machine guns, an air-to-air refueling probe, and an external hoist. The MH-60K can also be armed with two M134 7.62mm "miniguns". A new avionics suite includes interactive Multi-Function Displays (MFDs), Forward-Looking Infrared (FLIR), digital map generator, and terrain avoidance/terrain following multi-mode radar. It has full shipboard operability. (Message edited by joshinga on May 04, 2011) |
