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P47b
Posted on Saturday, April 16, 2011 - 09:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I was wondering when some would post something like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ABw3uLziQc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EgS9qTHn74
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Slaughter
Posted on Saturday, April 16, 2011 - 09:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Wonder how often this occurs and goes unreported?

Hopefully those videos made their way to the State agencies such as Weights and Measures - and THEN hopefully they made it to the media so it wouldn't get swept under the rug and hidden.
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Rwven
Posted on Saturday, April 16, 2011 - 09:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My off the top of the head W.A.G. theory is that the nozzle valve is leaking slightly and the vapor recovery system is sucking the leaking fuel back into the vapor recovery system before it dips out of the nozzle.
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Froggy
Posted on Saturday, April 16, 2011 - 10:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Gas pumps are machines, machines break. It is rare but I've seen the pumps at my fathers station do what happened in the first video when picking a middle grade, as it mixes the fuel in the pump.
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Nillaice
Posted on Saturday, April 16, 2011 - 10:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

yeah, but could they zoom in a little bit more? im not sure i could focus on the lcd screen and that he was holding A (not THE) nozzle in his hand.

i don't care waht that nozzle was hooked up to or if it was a 'dummy nozzle' ...
i want more ZOOM!
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P47b
Posted on Saturday, April 16, 2011 - 10:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Matt I was thinking the same thing.
I just got through watching a a couple get ripped on a pump because he didn't look at the price on the pump. He was mad that he had to pay $4 a gallon. Dummy!!!!
The other one I watched They reversed the octane switches. The guy was mad because he felt it should go lowest to highest, left to right. Stop and read is all it takes.

We used to have a guy here in Wichita that rigged his pumps up after .10 cents the price would jump a few cents. If you got 5 gallons or more you never noticed. Unless you did the math while there. He is no longer in business.
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Etennuly
Posted on Saturday, April 16, 2011 - 12:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

This recently happened to me at a diesel pump. I turned it on and before I got the nozzle to the truck it ran up 35 cents, I had not turned on the switch or squeezed the lever. Not going back there.

I have heard the State Weights and Balances folks are few and far between. They don't check them like they used to.
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Aesquire
Posted on Saturday, April 16, 2011 - 01:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have heard the State Weights and Balances folks are few and far between
That is an unfortunate and inevitable effect of Pournelle's Iron law of Bureaucracies.

"In any bureaucracy, the people devoted to the benefit of the bureaucracy itself always get in control and those dedicated to the goals the bureaucracy is supposed to accomplish have less and less influence, and sometimes are eliminated entirely"

Also stated as:

"...in any bureaucratic organization there will be two kinds of people: those who work to further the actual goals of the organization, and those who work for the organization itself. Examples in education would be teachers who work and sacrifice to teach children, vs. union representative who work to protect any teacher including the most incompetent. The Iron Law states that in all cases, the second type of person will always gain control of the organization, and will always write the rules under which the organization functions."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Pournelle

Cheats should be prosecuted. Idiots? Darwin's laws apply.

I believe that as a society we should feel compassion towards the less fortunate. Charity for the disabled and those struck by misfortune is a good thing. ( the relative roles of the different parts of our society in these goals is a major subject of disagreement. )
But.
If you're too stupid ( temporarily or permanently ) to look at the controls of others technical toys because you can't be bothered, or assume a familiarity that in fact does not exist, you screwed yourself. Sucks to be you.

The real crooks, though? hang 'em high.
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Saturday, April 16, 2011 - 03:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

sounds like a great mobile phone app. where to get gas.... eventually the market will facilitate their removal from business.
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Gunut75
Posted on Sunday, April 17, 2011 - 08:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have seen the error go the other way too. I know of a pump that put out $1.68/gal for a few months. The owner was informed of it, and completely ignored it. He thought that there was no way the pump could be inaccurate.
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Mr_grumpy
Posted on Sunday, April 17, 2011 - 10:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

This is the advantage of the European system, yes we do have to suffer much more interference in our daily lives than you do in the US but the other side of the coin is that such frauds (& that's what it is) are stamped on quickly & hard.

That said if I could get gas at 4 bucks a gallon I'd be filling every can I could find!

Super-unleaded is more or less twice that here.
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Court
Posted on Sunday, April 17, 2011 - 10:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

>>>Super-unleaded is more or less twice that here.

I suspect we'll see $6.00 per gallon by the end of summer . . .
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Brumbear
Posted on Sunday, April 17, 2011 - 11:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I sure hope not but if we do we may be looking at a non dem or rep. getting voted into office next go round.
the Gov. isn't really motivated to help cause well there are a lot of reasons but:
1.) They tax fuel on a percentage basis
2.) AFAIK the rep are tied to big oil even more than the dems (i believe that will fluctuate with the balance of power on the hill though)
3.) The big three don't exist in the money game anymore IE no millions to campaign funds and research grants
4.) We don't spend enough money on alternate fuels for them to be part of the game and Nuke plants are gonna be fail very soon I am guessing here.
5.) what does the tech. game have to lose by sitting this out and saving there donations for something that will effect them.
UH OH sorry I turned this thread the wrong way!
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Bads1
Posted on Sunday, April 17, 2011 - 12:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Gas pumps are machines, machines break. It is rare but I've seen the pumps at my fathers station do what happened in the first video when picking a middle grade, as it mixes the fuel in the pump.

Actually your Dad should have a blender that is in the ground that blends from there. Many stations don't have them so that they have to pay for the midgrade to be brought in. Usually larger stations with large fuel tanks for storage do.
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Court
Posted on Sunday, April 17, 2011 - 12:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I hope not either but I'm not going to do nothing or sit around waiting on the government for help . . . they have a shittier track record than pimps preaching morality.

I can start by going from 13mph to 40mpg . . . that parts easy.

I can also intersperse some "ride to work" works. I figure if prices double I can effectively cut my fuel costs in half.
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Sunday, April 17, 2011 - 01:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

wait until they latch onto the idea of a fat tax to curb your consumption of food
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Brumbear
Posted on Sunday, April 17, 2011 - 04:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Court
As my kids say true dat
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Mikej
Posted on Monday, April 18, 2011 - 03:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"I can start by going from 13mph to 40mpg . . . that parts easy."

'Easy' is a relative term, usually with a dollar $ign attached.

I'm looking at Park-n-Pedal options, drive part way and then bicycle the rest.
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Hootowl
Posted on Monday, April 18, 2011 - 03:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I live 2 miles from work and get 40+ mpg. I fill up about every 6 weeks. : )
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