| Author | Message | ||
     Court |
My point was that the shenanigans don't belong on a public road on ANYTHING . . and that your margin of "possibly saving it" is severely eroded on a dresser as opposed to a sport bike. I'm happy to accept all the "yeah, but I have a buddy who can do (__________) on a dresser" dialogue . . I've seen the gamut from hero, hillbillies, Himalayans and huffenpuffs . . . Matters not what you ride but HOW you ride it . . . the guy, in my opinion, was a total and complete idiot nor for WHAT he was riding but for not having the training, knowledge and discipline to keep his ass from going into ACR (accelerated chap rotation). Could he have saved it on a sport bike? . . I doubt it . . . but at least he'd have yielded parts to nail on the tree. Mostly pure silliness. . . you stick your hand in the machine of irresponsible riding . . .you're risking getting bit. I did. | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
"Sorry i really have no idea what those ugly ass things are used for. I just assumed that more surface area would give more bite hence the drag racing connection. " Wrong compound These are too hard to do anything good. ProStreet bikes run in the 6s at over 200mph with no wheelie bars, head and taillights....on a street legal tire, 180 series. Its all about compound  Plus thats a lot of extra weight to move. Yes, we all know why he posted the HD pic, actually two reasons why I can figure -it is beyond the typical Dragon pic, its someone crashing etc -the site likes to think of HD as the devil and bash them on a regular basis. | ||
| Gsilvernale |
I feel like Cherohola is more dangerous then the dragon, just because the speeds are higher. The wreck that I witnessed on the Cherohola was a dresser that could not negotiate a decreasing radius turn. Also, my personal experience is that most of the wrecks that I have seen on the great mountain roads, are not from Sport Bikes, but folks on cruisers that get in over their heads. (Message edited by gsilvernale on April 12, 2011) | ||
| Jerry_haughton |
My point was that the shenanigans don't belong on a public road on ANYTHING . . and that your margin of "possibly saving it" is severely eroded on a dresser as opposed to a sport bike. Fair enough. Peace. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
ProStreet bikes run in the 6s at over 200mph with no wheelie bars, head and taillights....on a street legal tire, 180 series. Is ProStreet something different than ProStock? | ||
| Slaughter |
Danger is riding over the limits of the rider/machine UNIT. Doesn't matter what/where/who. If you're at 60%, you have some room for changes. If you're at 100% - you are on the edge but you're still OK BUT if ANYTHING CHANGES, 101% you fall, you fail. | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
yes, ProStock (in NHRA) is a class with about 300hp, NA motors, wheelie bars, a certain sized slick etc ProStreet in AMA Dragbike, MiRock, Manufacturers Cup etc are stretched bikes limited to a certain wheelbase. Must have working head and taillights and street legal tires. Usually turbo'd, sometimes nitrous'd Over 200mph is common VS NHRA ProStock where its usually 190s quick vid i found on YT http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZmvSrCLgCo | ||
| Glitch |
What you mean "hillbilly" Quit stepping in it Court, and you won't smell so bad.  It wouldn't have gotten under my skin if it I were able to take it any other way than being derogatory. | ||
| Bartimus |
I've been on the Dragon quite a few times, and I would have to agree with FB, sort of... What I observed was that, most of the "sportbike" riders I saw, were not geared properly for the riding they were attempting, took pride in the scrapes, and crashes they had incured, and thought the "tree of shame" was like a trophy. I also observed that "most" of the Harley riders, did in fact, ride close to the posted speed, and were not interested in impressing anyone with their awesome riding skills. They just wanted to enjoy the Dragon. The HD riders did NOT take pride in going down, nor do they think the "tree of shame" is a place to be seen near. (unless it's to brag about all the "sportbike" parts hanging off it.  Here in the desert southwest, we have our own version of the Dragon. HWY666, about 85 miles long, and with about 800 curves. It is not for the light hearted and there are many +1000' drop offs, with NO guard rails. You do see sportbike riders out there, but they are usually the skilled ones. It takes a little initiative to ride 200 miles to hit some tasty curves, and that is way too far for the typical "squid". That's why I like that corner of the world sooooo much. I rarely see HD riders there, it's usually too far for them to ride, and hey, it's got way too many of them damn curves!!! Ferris is probably the only HD rider I know that can appreciate this road, and he, and D, have ridden this road before. I feel for you folks that only have the Dragon to ride. It was nice in it's day, but due to commercialization, it now sux. I have to agree that the sportbike "squids" are ruining it for everyone. there may be an occasional HD go down, but nothing to the frequency of the "squids". | ||
| Glitch |
I feel for you folks that only have the Dragon to ride. Me too! Hell, I'd hate to only have 10 miles I could ride, no matter how twisty.  | ||
| Sifo |
If you are near the Dragon and can't find any other good riding...  | ||
| Fresnobuell |
It takes a little initiative to ride 200 miles to hit some tasty curves, and that is way too far for the typical "squid". Trailer the bikes up for the 200mi superslab. Get out nice an fresh for the twisties. Man, can you imagine riding out there and the 200mi ride HOME after a few hours of twisty fun? Besides who wants the the flat spot on the tires. | ||
| Jerry_haughton |
Ferris is probably the only HD rider I know that can appreciate this road, and he, and D, have ridden this road before. Bart, that was prolly one of my funnest days of riding ever. The run from Morenci up to Hannigan Meadows was a rush. Not really a great road to hustle a two-up FJR along, but the bike did OK, and we lived to tell the tale. Someday we'll hafta go back and look at all the scenery we missed. I feel for you folks that only have the Dragon to ride. You've ridden the Appalachians before - you know there are more great roads here than just the Dragon. 200 miles? Heck yeah, that's way too frikkin' far to ride! (Message edited by jerry_haughton on April 13, 2011) | ||
| Irideabuell |
Whoa!!! This thread is exhausting. There's enough BS here to fertilize the better part of the upper mid-west. Why not throw all the energy expended on hypothesis, guessing, judging, "this is what I've done, so my opinion trumps yours", assumptions and generalizations into seeing if anyone actually spoke to this individual pictured on the Killboy web site? It surely sounds like someone early on had the inside line on who this was and the fact that he rode away. The reality is accidents happen and this very well may have been just that, an accident. Three archive pages later and a fourth on the way and we're no closer to piecing this together. At 73 years old this person could have been riding for 50+ years which is more experience than 99% of those posting on here. But, we don't know that, do we? I'm all for friendly banter back and forth, but there's a select few that just have to have the last word and love tooting their own horns on BWB and would lead you to believe they are experts on everything motorcycling. It's ashame to view a thread and find it interesting only to see that it ends up in a pissing match over who said what and what's wrong with what that person said. Enough's enough. It's sad that from this point forward when I see a certain Username posting to a thread, I'll move on. Some are just legends - in their own minds! | ||
| 86129squids |
Darryl Cannon or one of his homies took that pic- knowing that crew, they are quite conscientious about doing the right thing up and down the Gap- I'm very happy to hear the old dude rode away from this mishap. Hate to say it, happens all the time now, during riding season. Cruisers, ricers, 'tarders, tuner car types, takes ALL kinds. Even Buellers. Can't fix stupid. Ride your own ride, and ride safe, friends... On THAT note- over in the Storm Fronts, my buddy Vince is doing his best to host a fun weekend at the Gap- I'm planning to be there Thursday as early as I can make it, then ride out the rest of the day... I'm anticipating a few runs through and back on the Dragon, once proper po-po recon is done, then heading thru Joyce Kilmer to the Cherohala, then ??? depending on time from Tellico Plains- if it's late by then, 360/411 back home for dinner and sunset. Bueller? Who's in? | ||
| Jb2 |
The thing is if we were all working in a shop and could read the facials and tone of voice it might be a whole lot different. Internet conversations are void of all the subtle things that we as humans decipher when talking to a person face-to-face. In a shop, when the first wrench gets thrown, it's time to sort it out or walk away. I wished everyone on internet boards had the experience of working in a shop but these days most don't, IMHO. | ||
| Crackhead |
There are thousands of great miles in the Appalachians. I used to drive all over WV, VA and NC. You don't even have to look at a map. Just pic a 2 lane road through the MTs and ride. I actually miss the long hours crossing VA. 55/ 33 out to Elkins, WV was a nice warm up lap. | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
I find that it's a good idea to find a river and follow the road that follows it This seems to work in just about any state I've tried it! | ||
| Paint_shaker |
"At 73 years old this person could have been riding for 50+ years which is more experience than 99% of those posting on here. But, we don't know that, do we?" Me rambling; Kudos for still riding at 73!! Glad the guy was able to ride away. Long years of experience don't necessarily make a good rider (practice doesn't make perfect, perfect practice makes perfect!). I am not perfect. A H-D dresser handles better than most think. It's almost always the indian, not the arrow. Spirited rides can be fun, but we are our own worst enemy. Public roads are just that; public roads. At some point nearly everyone of us have pulled some bone headed move, got frustrated following slower traffic, possibly committed a traffic infraction or just plain found some back road somewhere and enjoyed the ride... | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Wow, is it winter again? | ||
| 86129squids |
LOL Jeremy- don't jinx us!!! | ||
| Court |
>>>At some point nearly everyone of us have pulled some bone headed move, And until you've had a friend, caught under a Ford Explorer as he takes his last breath . . you have a really tough time associating the behavior with the consequences. EDIT: Just saying that all those years of experience, the quest to be "in the wind" . . to "live life to the fullest" and all that "thundering down the open road commradire" is no match for a Mom in an SUV backing, perfectly innocently and legally from her driveway. It's content of the situation, not intent, that determines the outcome. (Message edited by court on April 13, 2011) | ||
| Jb2 |
>>> And until you've had a friend, caught under a Ford Explorer as he takes his last breath . . you have a really tough time associating the behavior with the consequences. Truer words... lemme try again... that's an accurate statement. >>> It's content of the situation, not intent, that determines the outcome. Progressive Insurance tried to lay the blame on Dad because he had a Deal's Gap sticker on his windshield. State Police blew that down because their accident investigator had determined he was traveling at 55mph(posted speed) and had done everything in his power to stop the bike including wearing all his gear. He, in the end, was no match for a kid on the run from the law in a borrowed car. The odds are so stacked against us that taking major risks anymore seems... well stupid. | ||
| 86129squids |
Court, so sorry to hear that. And, quite an accurate statement. "It's content of the situation, not intent, that determines the outcome." Ride safe, ride your own ride... Keep the rubber side down! Today will be a GREAT day at the Dragon... | ||
| Vatechboy |
My point was that the shenanigans don't belong on a public road on ANYTHING Your point seems a bit odd considering your comments and photo near the bottom of this post. "dos lonely squids" | ||
| Glitch |
Busted | ||
| Jerry_haughton |
Glitch: We were young, dumb, full of cum, and....out in the middle of the Mojave frikkin' Desert, with not a soul in sight save ourselves. I *think* I'm the photographer of that photo. It seems like eons ago... FB | ||
| Glitch |
No excuse! We still get hell for making a run up Buck creek when they had it closed. They had it closed! It was a closed course, and I was the experienced rider, Allen was running up beside me shutting my bike off. It was so much fun, we got up to the rock slide, turned back towards Lake Tahoma, the sheriff was waiting for us, we didn't even get to stop at Dots Dairio. Those were the days! What fun! Google Maps Buck Creek Road, Marion, NC  | ||
| Jerry_haughton |
Glitch, me 'n D will be running Buck Creek Road over Easter weekend. I'll tell the Sheriff you said howdy. | ||
| Glitch |
I can't remember his last name at the moment (I've got part-timer's syndrome) but his first name is/was Butch, he was also my Career Exploration teacher in Junior High. He taught me how to weld. One thing about growing up in such a small isolated area (not so isolated now, but still pretty small), the sheriff, (also your teacher) knows your dad! Then of course since everyone knows the sheriff, and your teacher, everyone knows you got in trouble. The story starts out simple (like the one I just told) but by the time you got to school on Monday, it had grown into a high speed chase out running everyone only to be caught by a State Trooper as you're trying to get to the next county. When I go back, and see old friends, I get to hear the story all over again, each time different, but always exciting. |
