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Kenm123t
Posted on Monday, March 28, 2011 - 09:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sifo that owning property to vote didnt fly in philly during the Convention I can see the point both ways.


The first thing Thou shall not covet ! kinda sums up hate the rich and redistribute the wealth crowd. Why do you think the rich are greedy because they do not want to give you the fruits of thier labors. Second when is it any of your business what some one else has!

Union Man You have no other identity other than basically a Serf who has sold his soul to the union ? Your employers the tax payers can fire you eliminate your postion out source it Etc. You and the police and fire figters are not a special class of untouchables. The pensions and benes you talk about are not real the politicians lied to you to getyour vote.
The tax payers cant pay any more your pensions were not funded. Any one but the government would be in Jail just like Madoff.
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Rocketsprink
Posted on Monday, March 28, 2011 - 09:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

speaking of paying taxes. Here are some that don't. Big surprise.

www.politifact.com/ohio/statements/2011/mar/15/mar cia-fudge/rep-marcia-fudge-says-some-largest-corpo rations-pa/
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Rocketsprink
Posted on Monday, March 28, 2011 - 09:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"I think we may be onto something here."

I believe the Republicans are already trying to prevent people from voting. Your idea is old news to them...move on.
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Court
Posted on Monday, March 28, 2011 - 10:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

>>>>Pretty sure Obama wouldn't have been elected without the "free stuff" electorate.

But . . I confess . . I'm kinda glad he was. I watched him on television tonight and this guy is so clueless he's kinda funny. He's really doing about as good a job as I'd expect a "neighborhood organizer" who's never worked a day in his life to do.

I love it . . he and Hillary can't get their stories straight. His vauge attempts have been in direct conflict with what he said as a Senator.

Then we find out that with submarines and ships firing something more than 120 cruise missiles into Libya that we are not at war . . .ohhhhh no . . . we are involved in a "Kinetic Military Action" . . the old "KMA".

He just really doesn't get it.

I look at it this way . . at $400,000 a year . . he costs less than 1/30th of what Katie Couric makes and is nearly as entertaining as she was back when she was relevant.

Cool beans !
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Monday, March 28, 2011 - 10:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I believe the Republicans are already trying to prevent people from voting. Your idea is old news to them...move on.

Yeah, not like the continually disenfranchised military or the Black Panther folks at polls, right?

Must be nice to throw out hollow allegations without ANY proof that it happened (unlike the two instances I cited).
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Monday, March 28, 2011 - 10:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yeah, Obama's hilarious.

Like cackling while Rome burns. : |
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Aesquire
Posted on Monday, March 28, 2011 - 10:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Suppressing the opposition vote is as old as Ur.

You do realize that the Dems have a pretty good effort going in that regard?

Want to toss actual references? Count which party is more abusive? Be interesting.

but to skip the partisan crappola..

This partisan stuff often gets down to "my lying sack of cat crap is better than your lying sack...." And about as useful as said sack.

Can we all agree that powerful,
hierarchical organizations can have serious issues?

One of them being the establishment of a self anointed elite. Who sooner or later believe themselves above the petty concerns of the actual members, more concerned with keeping power, than being responsible for their charge.

You gotta watch these people. Union, Government, Kiwanis Club, etc. They all can create very unhappy places. Ask Carthage.
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Doerman
Posted on Monday, March 28, 2011 - 11:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

A soon as a good idea has become an institution, it has outlived it's usefulness.
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Two_seasons
Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 01:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Here in Wisconsin, now Congresswoman Gwen Moore's son and other thugs slashed the tires on rented vans the Repubs were intending to use to get out the vote back in 2004. In 2006, their case finally came to court...

Four Democratic presidential campaign workers were sentenced to jail time ranging from four months to six months Wednesday for puncturing the tires of Republican vehicles on Election Day 2004.

The men had pleaded no contest in January to misdemeanor property damage. A fifth worker was found not guilty.

Those who pleaded no contest were Sowande A. Omokunde, the son of Democratic U.S. Rep. Gwen Moore, D-Milwaukee; Michael Pratt, the son of former acting Milwaukee Mayor Marvin Pratt; and Lewis Caldwell and Lavelle Mohammad, both from Milwaukee.

They originally were charged with felony property damage but accepted plea deals on the lesser charge. These crimes should never have been pleaded down Interfering with someones right to vote IS a felony. Note that it is always liberals and their thug accomplices!

Milwaukee County Circuit Judge Michael Brennan rejected prosecutors’ recommendation of probation and no jail time.

“This case had to be a public example of what can happen when you interfere with voters’ rights,” Brennan said.

The men faced a maximum nine-month jail term and fines of $10,000.

Can you cite one example of a Tea Party or Repub doing that? Of course you can't!


Liars and thugs.


Some of you need a reminder of the violent legacy of AFL-CIO thug-in-chief Richard Trumka...

When it comes to terrorizing workers, Trumka knows whereof he speaks.

Meet Eddie York. He was a workingman whose story will never scroll across Obama’s teleprompter. A nonunion contractor who operated heavy equipment, York was shot to death during a strike called by the United Mine Workers 17 years ago. Workmates who tried to come to his rescue were beaten in an ensuing melee. The head of the UMW spearheading the wave of strikes at that time? Richard Trumka. Responding to concerns about violence, he shrugged to the Virginian-Pilot in September 1993: “I’m saying if you strike a match and you put your finger in it, you’re likely to get burned.” Incendiary rhetoric, anyone?

A federal jury convicted one of Trumka’s UMW captains on conspiracy and weapons charges in York’s death. According to the Washington, D.C.-based National Legal and Policy Center, which tracks Big Labor abuse, Trumka’s legal team quickly settled a $27 million wrongful death suit filed by York’s widow just days after a judge admitted evidence in the criminal trial. An investigative report by Reader’s Digest disclosed that Trumka “did not publicly discipline or reprimand a single striker present when York was killed. In fact, all eight were helped out financially by the local.”

In Illinois, Trumka told UMW members to “kick the s**t out of every last” worker who crossed his picket lines, according to the Nashville (Ill.) News. And as the National Right to Work Foundation (pdf), the leading anti-forced unionism organization in the country, pointed out, other UMW coalfield strikes resulted in what one judge determined were “violent activities … organized, orchestrated and encouraged by the leadership of this union.”

Trumka washed off the figurative bloodstains and moved up the ranks. As AFL-CIO secretary, he notoriously refused to testify in a sordid 1999 embezzlement trial involving his labor boss brethren at the Teamsters Union. No surprise. Thugs of a feather: Trumka’s violence-promoting record echoes the riotous Teamsters strikes dating back to the 1950s, when the union organized taxicab companies to target workers with gas bombs, bottles and fists.

And now, Trumka is spearheading a Democratic Party get-out-the-vote campaign by far-left groups — publicized in the revolutionary Marxist People’s World — to “energize an army of tens of thousands who will return to their neighborhoods, churches, schools and voting booths to prevent a Republican takeover of Congress in November and begin building a new permanent coalition to fight for a progressive agenda.”

Take those as literal fighting words. The bloody consequences of compulsory unionism cannot be ignored.

How much more violence will the public unions and their supporters need to give us before we've had enough? They have been bloodying us for long enough. It's time that those in public unions have to justify their very existence. We in the private sector have to justify ourselves at every contract.
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Sifo
Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 08:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have to admit that in Chicago, Republicans DO try to keep certain people from voting. Unfortunately, every election, dead people keep on voting.
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Hootowl
Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 09:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I believe the Republicans are already trying to prevent people who aren't citizens from voting

Fixed it for ya.
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Rocketsprink
Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 10:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So no response to the corporations that do not pay taxes? But you are all so quick to point a finger at the poor that do not pay either. I'm glad there are people out there still fighting for the middle class. obviously everone against the middle class here must be millionaires. Must be nice. Don't forget us little people on your climb to the top.
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Hootowl
Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 11:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Companies that do not make a profit, do not pay taxes on those non existent profits. Did you read the article you cited, or just the headline?
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Sifo
Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 11:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So no response to the corporations that do not pay taxes? But you are all so quick to point a finger at the poor that do not pay either. I'm glad there are people out there still fighting for the middle class. obviously everone against the middle class here must be millionaires. Must be nice. Don't forget us little people on your climb to the top.

Where were you when that was discussed earlier. Oh... You had already done a hit and run and weren't paying attention to the discussion.
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Johnnymceldoo
Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 12:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Whatever rocket. Iam out of here and wont be back!





















BAZINGA!
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 12:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Rocco, are you kidding?

When you will stay and discuss like an adult, we will answer your question (which HAS been addressed previously BTW).

You NEVER bother to answer anyone's questions. You are the king of hit and run BS. Man up and defend your ideas with evidence. We do.
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Court
Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 12:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

>>> Did you read the article you cited, or just the headline?

I wondered about that. It sounds, and I confess I'm not paying much heed to some of this silliness, that Rocco is arguing with Rocco.

You really have to love the Internet. . . . thanks to one of America's wealthiest Mr. Al Gore.
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Rocketsprink
Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 04:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

No. not kidding. most here answer a question with a question so I just follow your lead. sorry. I have things going on other than sitting and reading all the right wing bullsh!t spewing from your mouths. I don't have time to read all the same retarded talking points you all hear from your favorite nut job right wing idiot on TV or the radio. try having an original thought for once. on last hit and run and I will no longer darken your door here on the right wing badweb. i find it ironic that you feel the middle class and poor in this cou try have to bare the burrden of digging or way out of a deficite, but your more than OK with big business getting tax breaks and paying no taxes at all. what do you gain? and back on topic, maybe if Buell had been union, there would have been some one there to try and defend them rather than rolling over and letting HD SHOVE IT RIGHT UP THEIR @SS. With that, good luck and good bye.
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Reindog
Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 05:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I gotta admit that Rocketsprink has a way with words. Awesome, totally awesome!
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Cowboy
Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 05:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I will have to admit he sure dont under stand what is going on. I wonder what he will think if he had to stand in a bread line for food that is raised by a bunch of non union farmers. If the farmers were to orginize they could starve 1/2 the world in to submission on any subject you want to discuss.
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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 06:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Rocco,

You're not only ignorant in your assertions, but downright rude. Tough having a thoughtful conversation?

The wealthy pay the vast, vast majority of taxes. Given that, how is it that as you contend you see the middle class as bearing the burden?
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Hootowl
Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 06:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

FYI - I don't listen to radio, and I don't watch the political shows on any news network. I read CNN, FOX, WSJ and NYTimes. I tried reading HuffPo but quickly became nauseated. Most of the articles are AP, so it doesn't matter where you read them, they're the same.
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Hootowl
Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 06:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I guess everyone who disagrees with you is a non thinking Rush parrot though, right? Where did you get that idea? I'm sure it wasn't yours.
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Sifo
Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 06:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I would just love to see Rocco offer ANYTHING to back up his opinion.
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Sifo
Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 06:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Interesting poll on Gov. Walker in WI. There's a clear split with little middle ground, but still a healthy support for Walker.

http://www.journaltimes.com/polls/html_e7df0506-44 fc-11e0-b687-001cc4c002e0.html#pd_a_4647768%23pd_a _4647768%23pd_a_4647768
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Johnnymceldoo
Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 08:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yea if Buell had only been unionized. How about if the commander and chief didn't scare the $hite out of every small and large business by setting a tone where success is punished. Awesome economic policy! Drive up the cost to produce! That will make people invest! We have " hard werkin mericans " like you and your union buds to thank for that rocco. Good job gang! How are those green jobs coming?
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Kenm123t
Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 08:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The Term Is Useful Idiot
Now you have a glimpse of the men that become Brown shirts and may be in this case purple shirts. All it takes is some one to channel the hate. They do not understand the way the world works. and in many cases have a severe inferiority complex. Hmm That may be the reason they join unions an inability to handle dealing with any form of authority with out emotionally exploding.
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Court
Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 09:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hmmmmmmm ........ I have the copies of the federal filings. A union TRIED to get in at Buell. They were not only rejected they were mad e laughing stock of and run out of town. They withdrew their petition..

Buell employees came out MUCH better than Harley folks.
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Aussie2126
Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 09:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-march-28-201 1/i-give-up---pay-anything---
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Two_seasons
Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 09:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The Daily Show...a real source for news
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