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Zane
Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 03:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Right now I'm riding with a full helmet, a Shoei RF-1000. I like it. Now that my son and I are riding together some I find I can't communicate with him at stoplights and such. I'm thinking of moving over to a 3/4 helmet. Here are my questions:

Does any one ride with a 3/4 helmet, and if so what model?

How is comfort vs. a full helmet?

How do they rate compared to a full helmet for protection in case of a crash?

Anything else I should be asking?

Thanks in advance for the collective wisdom.
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Sayitaintso
Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 03:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I wouldn't/won't wear a 3/4 b/c my mug is already ugly enough and want to protect it as much as possible.

If being able to talk to your son at stops is the main driving factor for switching to 3/4 try a modular that you can flip up when you stop. I had the same problem when my wife started riding her own bike.

I saw something somewhere that, by percentage, most hits to the head are in the face/chin area...... the exact place where a 3/4 helmet has no protection.

I'll look and see if I can find the article
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Zane
Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 03:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have to admit, I am much more handsome in a full face helmet than any other...lol
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Sayitaintso
Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 03:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Here is what I remember




And here is where I got it

Article from NY government

(Message edited by sayitaintso on March 29, 2011)
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Zane
Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 03:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Good information Sayitaintso.

Thanks.
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Fltwistygirl
Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 03:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"I saw something somewhere that, by percentage, most hits to the head are in the face/chin area...... the exact place where a 3/4 helmet has no protection."

Yep, about 40% to the chinbar area. We've got an printout with distribution of impact locations on m/c helmets hanging on the wall in our classroom. Primary impact locations are right and left jaw.

Modular can be a good solution, especially in the Florida heat. Maybe consider using some of the better known group riding signals to communicate to each other.

Ride safe and have fun. BeLinda.
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Kyrocket
Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 03:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

+1 on the modular. I rock an HJC with the single button. Make sure you get the single button so you don't have to take your hand off the clutch to operate it.


I too am much better looking in the full face, even better when the shield is tinted or mirrored.
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Froggy
Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 03:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)



Nuff said. Get a bluetooth intercom system (Scala Rider G4 is my pick) if you want to easily communicate. Or HTFU.
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Zane
Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 03:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Froggy,

That looks like it wasn't any fun at all.

I had not considered a modular. I figured they were out of my price range right now.

(Message edited by Zane on March 29, 2011)
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Hughlysses
Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 03:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ahh, that'll buff right out.
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Sayitaintso
Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 03:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Get a bluetooth intercom system (Scala Rider G4 is my pick) if you want to easily communicate

I'll second that, my Scala Rider G4 was a godsend for my wife and I when going through Houston....at dusk....in a thunderstorm. Having 4 eyes scanning the road and traffic and able to talk back and forth about whats going on made a dangerous situation a little better.
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Strokizator
Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 03:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yep, I've got a helmet that looks just like Froggy's. I keep it around for a reminder. The other helmet I ruined took a hit to the chin.

BTW, I used and continue to use HJC SymaxII flip-up modular and it has proven to be very reliable. The flip-up feature is handy for communicating at stop lights and held up well in a crash.
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Zane
Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 03:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Can't rap a lot of cash in farkles right now. I've been out of work for 2 months. It's just temporary and there are a couple of farkles I'm thinking about but they'll have to wait for a while.

Right now all I'm spending money on is gasoline and coffee.
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2008xb12scg
Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 04:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You could pick up a used com system for the price of a helmet. There was one on craiglsit for 100
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99buellx1
Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 04:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

This would have been real ugly with no chin bar.

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Videoninja
Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 05:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I just picked up a new Bilt Modular Helmet w/ built in sunshade (cycle gear's new house brand) for $99 + tax normally 199 but they are 50% off right now
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Jerry_haughton
Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 05:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Now that my son and I are riding together some I find I can't communicate with him at stoplights and such.

Just think how difficult it'd be with no face...

FB
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Rex
Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 06:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Most of my helmets are full coverage. I do have a nice helmet that is 3/4, a scorpion.

There are a couple of other helmets that convert. the lower bar, chin bar, moves up and over the helmet, so it converts into a 3/4 helmet. European model, I believe.

Intercom would solve the problem. Even with a 3/4, it is hard to communicate. I just picked a used intercom.

I was watching some crashing videos last night...guess where some of the guys landed first...the chin and flat on their faces.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 06:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have a Shoei MultiTec (modular) that I wear daily.

A Buell (HJC?) modular saved my life 3 years ago. It is now a 3/4...but I had zero injuries to the face. I hit hard enough for frontal lobe and stem damage, but that would have been the same with a fullface.

+1 on the Scala. Great stuff.
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Ourdee
Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 06:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If you are going to take the time to wear a lid, full face just makes sense. Think about a wireless set-up. A car running a light won't wait for you to close the modular.
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Etennuly
Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 06:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Think bowling ball on a stick. Once an object is in motion it wants to stay in motion. A bowling ball is similar in weight to your head, your spine is the stick. Once you start crashing/flying/falling inertia and gravity are in charge of your head.

Don't wreck is the best rule, and if you do.....be going slow with nothing but soft stuff around you.
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Slaughter
Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 06:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Adding my vote:

You can get GOOD 2-way communication systems. DO NOT COMPROMISE on the coverage of the helmet.
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Britchri10
Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 06:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Way before intercoms were available I crashed wearing a full face lid. The chin bar had about 1/8th inch ground off it by the road & the forehead area was flat spotted. I walked away w/a fractured humerus & NO head injury (+ a bunch of gravel rash on my shoulder) I would never ride w/o a FF helmet & full safety gear.
The modular option looks quite appealing but I can convey most everything I want to say w/o speaking these days. I use a Shoei RF1000 at present. ATGATT.
Chris C
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04buell
Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 08:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

We have a chatterbox system we will sell you for 100.00 They are voice activated or you can use them push to talk. We thought we would use them but we kinda like our alone time and if we get seperated--we just go back to where we last saw each other.
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Zane
Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 08:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I like the idea of a modular helmet. What would a decent one cost?
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Luftkoph
Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 09:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

the iron pony has hjc starting at $109
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Whisperstealth
Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 09:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

>>I just picked up a new Bilt Modular Helmet w/ built in sunshade (cycle gear's new house brand) for $99 + tax normally 199 but they are 50% off right now>

There you go Zane!

- There are a number of modular's that can be had on sale for around $100. Ebay has modulars for around $100 as well - I just checked and there are a bunch of HJC MAX's for $100, and other modular for 50 and up.

Check all the big sites:

Competion acc.
motorcycle superstore
bike bandit
etc, etc.

A bunch on sale here:

http://motodirect.com/category-1/1_4-Modular-Motor cycle-Helmets.html

http://www.leatherup.com/c/Motorcycle-Modular-Helm ets/2/176.html
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Zane
Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 09:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I forgot to mention that another reason I was thinking of a 3/4 helmet is that I wear glasses. It's a pain in the arse taking them on and off every time I have to put the helmet on and off.

I guess a modular would solve that issue too. Anyone wear glasses that uses a modular? Opinions on that subject? Who likes what brand of modular?

(Message edited by Zane on March 29, 2011)
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Videoninja
Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 09:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The bilt is good so far I took a short ride with it today not too noisy and very comfortable also from my experience I would stay away from the off brand eBay modular helmets I have one and the chin latches were plastic and broke within moments of buying it. The bilt though has metal hinges and metal latches seems very well put together
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Jerry_haughton
Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 09:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Zane, I've worn glasses (sunglasses, actually) under two modulars, an HJC and my new Shoei, and the flip-up feature makes it a breeze. Now that I've finally gone modular, I doubt I'd ever consider buying a "conventional" full-face helmet again.

Take care,
FB
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