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Jerzydevil
Posted on Friday, March 18, 2011 - 07:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Quote" Most taxpayers don't have the lavish wages, benefits, and pensions that the public sector enjoys from this collusion.

Well lets see, I'm a public employee in NJ, I'm a taxpayer, I contribute to my pension,I contribute to my benefits. Including my benefit package I make about $48,000 a year. The benefit package, was quoted at $12,000 yearly.

Now the President, Governers, and the rest of the top elected positions get benefits and a pension for life after serving just one four year term. And we are the assholes.

Wow.

Now, back to my $48,000 thats breaking the bank. Show me an equipment operator, union or not, making $23.00 an hour. (includes benefit package) Take away my benefits I am making $17.00 an hour.

Yeah, it's the rank and file public employees that are breaking the bank.
How about your o-so-perfect republicans giving all the tax breaks to the rich and taking it on the middle/lower class.
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Buellkowski
Posted on Friday, March 18, 2011 - 07:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Workers organize to form unions.

Voters organize to form parties.

Stockholders organize to form corporations.

Businesses organize to form trade associations.

And somehow the workers' organization is the "mooching" and "looting" one?
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Paint_shaker
Posted on Friday, March 18, 2011 - 07:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Some still serve this purpose, but I'm afraid many are in for power and money and implode industries in the process."

I agree with that 100%

By the way, Florida is a right to work state. Unions don't have much power down here. My current employer is non-union and we are subject to merit raises (though we haven't received a raise in 3 yrs).
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Reindog
Posted on Friday, March 18, 2011 - 09:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You excitable guys are missing the point. The individual worker is not and never has been the fault of this bankrupting system. I have much in common with you as I have worked for decades and some jobs were real doozies.

The argument is about unions in the public sector. It is the buddy-buddy system that loots from the taxpayer that is the problem.

Should-the-city-of-san-diego-file-for-bankruptcy-i t-has-45-4-billion-in-unfunded-pension-liabilities /

In San Diego, there is $45.4 billion in unfunded pension liabilities. This was caused by the merry-go-round that is now stopping. Bankruptcy is around the corner and this will hurt the very workers who have been lied to by the Liberals. Until true Conservatives begin practising fiscal responsibility, the future is bleak. You have simply got to open up your eyes and admit what you know deep down is true. There is no other way, guys. Sorry to be the bearer of truth, but it is the truth.

BTW: most Republicans are scum buckets too
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Court
Posted on Friday, March 18, 2011 - 09:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm union . . . my Father was union . . . my Grandfather was an I.B.E.W. organizer . . we all busted our asses.

At one time the union actually conveyed "quality", "safety" and a host of other admirable attributes.

No it means that no matter how poor a performer . . . you can't fire someone.

I've yet to meet a union member who can explain the benefits to me, in the last 5 years without cussing, swearing and telling me how they are going to "force" someone to see things their way.

Accordingly . . well, you look at the membership figures.

It's kind of a shame and I think there is a great opportunity for the unions to make a resurgence. But, they spent so much time being arrogant and thinking they could bully their way to something that non-union companies have become far more sophisticated and, in this day and age, offer better wages and benefits in many cases.

To be honest . . . . . I ain't climbing anymore poles at my age and frankly couldn't care much anymore. I just hate watching them tie that noose around their members neck.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Friday, March 18, 2011 - 09:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

We aren't jealous of your union benefits.

We pay for them.
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Kc10_fe
Posted on Friday, March 18, 2011 - 09:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

NJ teachers get away with murder. 51% of my property tax is for schools. Cops and firemen pay more into pensions and benifits than NJ teachers. I pay $9000 a year in property taxes. Our Gov passed a law that caps prop tax increases to 2% annual. The township are already bitching about not makin payroll. Mayors actually want to have towns vote for a tax increase since they CANT control spending. I say its time to clean house in the townships. WTF dude!
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Whisperstealth
Posted on Saturday, March 19, 2011 - 12:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The president of the AFL-CIO, looks a bit like a fat hitler in the picture. Like hitler and stalin a kid together.
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Aesquire
Posted on Saturday, March 19, 2011 - 07:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Worry about yourself not what someone else makes.

This is what happens when the current propaganda policy is to go to class envy and hate the rich to fool the regular folk to vote for them. I'd like to say it's a lefty thing, ( It's the standard MO, ask Lenin & Hitler...) but it's a pretty old technique. Probably some Babylonian scum used the same lines.

Well, guess what? It's the Unions turn. The Public perception of The Union Bosses is that they are fat, massively overpaid, thugs who probably are in bed with the mob. How true is that? You tell me.

When Union thugs acting as political muscle beat people who protest political actions, it's bad PR. The SEIU are the new Brownshirts. In purple.

When you preach hate to gain your goals, and the people see corruption, professional agitators, the Communist Party, and raw hatred spewed.... sometimes they notice. It's not good for honest hard working folk, union or not.

How about your o-so-perfect republicans giving all the tax breaks to the rich and taking it on the middle/lower class.

Great example of a sucker who buys the class envy line. Please grow up. You have been lied to.

Unless he's talking about the Regan tax cuts, that DID favor the rich,( freaking decades ago ) unlike the Bush tax cuts of 11 years ago, that were pretty broad, or the continuation of them by Obama, which gave NOBODY a tax break. Or Obama's temporary SSi tax break, which, well, every bit helps. Adds to the debt, but I do like a few extra pennies. Gonna get screwed later, but I should be used to that, the debt has cranked up & up since the 2007 Dem controlled Congress got in. Ironic the D's won big during Bush because the R's spent too much!

First things Obama did when he got in was jack taxes on the poor and stupid. ( sin & cigarette taxes ) I'm not defending the R's. They suck. Tell me the D's don't too and I know you are a sucker.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Saturday, March 19, 2011 - 08:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

When taxes are raised on the rich and corporate, who pays?

The lower and middle class.

The unions are outsourcing themselves, and they are taking the lower and middle class with them.
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Fast1075
Posted on Saturday, March 19, 2011 - 08:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"The unions are OUTSOURCING them selves"

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Reepicheep
Posted on Saturday, March 19, 2011 - 10:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Funny, whenever "rich guys" spend money, I seem to benefit. Why, again, am I supposed to hate them?

Some "rich guy" paid probably $35k for a Saab 9-3 in 2001, and drove it and maintained it well for 90,000 miles. Then he sold it to me for $7000. Not new for sure, but not (35,000 - 7,000) / 35000 worse.

And "rich guys" buy the stuff my company sells, and my company pays me to do more of it better.

Many people have more than I did. Most got it by being smarter or working harder. Some got it by being willing to sacrifice more of their time / family / passions / ethics than I would. Some got it because their family / spouse had it and passed it down.

It doesn't bother me a bit, and doesn't make my life any worse. I keep my eye on them when they sell the cars, motorcycles, electronics, etc that they are "done with". It's generally really nice stuff. : )
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Court
Posted on Saturday, March 19, 2011 - 10:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

>>>The Union Bosses is that they are fat, massively overpaid

That was the case recently when the $500,000 per year head of the local teachers union demanded her $184,000 in accumulated unpaid vacation when she left.

I suppose it the rules said she was to get it (after all Dick Grasso got his $187,000,000 in severance) but I've always been a "use it or loose it" person . . . . my current employer (one of the top firms to work for in the USA) has a great policy but we carry not a single day over.
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Johnnymceldoo
Posted on Saturday, March 19, 2011 - 01:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"I love how you all have no issue with big business shoving it right up your @ss, and some seem more than willing to bend over and take it. But you're so fast to put down your fellow American worker because they have someting you don't."


Yea what pocketstain said! Pay up you lazy greedy sons-a-bishes! We're better than everyone!
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Saturday, March 19, 2011 - 01:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You can't be pro-labor and anti-business.

That's like being pro-butt sex and anti-gay.
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Court
Posted on Saturday, March 19, 2011 - 02:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Things have changed. The unions missed their chance. When they should have been selling "better, quicker and safer" . . . they went the route of "use us or else".

Money, like water, always wins.

Folks don't take kindly to being muscled. When I moved to NYC the Teamsters controlled the bridges and tunnels . . you'd have been a fool with a death wish to try to drive into Manhattan without a Teamsters card.

I've seen the muscle play out . . . watched two friends who thought about quitting a firm I worked for get the midnight visit from the "Minutemen" (name applied to one of the locals goon squad) and have it explained to them that they would either be at their desk or in the dump come 0700 Monday.

It's a new day . . . . .

Open shop used to mean shoddy and ill organized. Now if often means "tempered by working under pressure", "better pay and conditions" and not having to "carry" workers who should have been fired long ago.

It's a new day . . . .


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NEW YORK TIMES
By CHARLES V. BAGLI
Published: March 19, 2011

A luxury apartment building is rising at 23rd Street and 10th Avenue, and, across town, one is being created inside an old Salvation Army building overlooking Gramercy Park. Other residential buildings and hotels are going up on 11th Avenue, West 18th Street and East 23rd Street.

All are signs that New York City's real estate industry is clawing out of the recession. But they are noteworthy for another reason: they are being constructed without any union labor.

For most of the last century, the city's construction unions were a symbol of labor strength in a pro-labor town, and their involvement in large projects was almost never in doubt. But just as public employees' unions across the country are in the fights of their lives, the city's major building unions are facing their own moment of reckoning.

While they are still a major presence, their share of the city's $20 billion to $30 billion in annual construction work has dropped significantly in recent years. There are no official statistics; according to unionized construction companies, two out of five construction jobs in the city are now nonunion, though unions put the number at one in four. All agree that for many years, at least 85 percent of building jobs were union ones.

And the companies and unions are about to enter what may be their most tense contract negotiations in years, with the employers demanding large concessions and already angering labor leaders by taking their campaign directly to the workers with a Web site and in small group meetings around the city; subway ads may also be forthcoming.
"There's enough pressure on everybody," said Bobby Bonanza, business manager for the Mason Tenders District Council, which represents about 13,000 workers affected by the contracts. "We don't need another Wisconsin in this town."

The employers have backed off an initial demand for wage cuts, but they are still aiming for a 25 percent cut in labor costs, by reducing benefits and changing some work rules. They say these changes would allow them to better compete with nonunionized companies, which are winning jobs from developers because their costs are 20 to 30 percent cheaper.

"A combination of market erosion and the recession has permanently changed the financial structure of real estate in New York City," said Louis J. Coletti, president of the Building Trades Employers' Association. "This is not about a race to the bottom. It's about our common enemy: nonunion contractors."

All told, the negotiations involve 30 different unions and as many as 60,000 steamfitters, ironworkers, crane operators, laborers and carpenters. Union leaders say they have made numerous concessions since the recession started, including wage freezes on non-Manhattan projects, that have reduced overall labor costs by as much as 20 percent. But, they say, employers are now trying to increase profits by cutting benefits and exaggerating the loss of market share at a time when the national political climate has turned against unions.

Not so long ago, starting a large construction job, particularly in Manhattan, with nonunion labor was considered a provocation likely to ignite a pitched battle with carpenters, ironworkers and laborers intent on closing down the job. But during the building boom of the late 1990s and most of the last decade, there was enough work to go around that union workers were not terribly bothered if some jobs went nonunion.

But as the cost of land and construction materials skyrocketed, some developers began to become more cost-conscious and began looking for savings in labor costs, particularly by choosing cheaper nonunionized contractors. And lenders began to scrutinize costs more closely.

The unions and unionized employers argue that union laborers are more skilled and safer than nonunion laborers, and that it is far easier to mobilize large numbers of workers when they are organized. But over the last few years, nonunion construction companies like Flintlock became skilled in putting up midsize 10- to 30-story buildings, the kind of building where, along with interior finishing and renovation, the unions have been losing most of their market share.

Unionized contractors still have a lock on megaprojects like big office towers, including those under construction at the World Trade Center. But union leaders, construction executives and developers are closely watching a project in Long Island City, Queens, where H. Henry Elghanayan, a residential developer whose company traditionally uses union contractors, is expected to select a nonunion outfit to build a large complex with 700 apartments.
"If traditional construction managers that stuck with the unions start losing nine-figure jobs," said one executive of a union contractor, who refused to be named so as not to further anger the unions, "that's a game changer."
Mr. Elghanayan said in an interview that he had yet to select a contractor. But, he added, "Everyone's pressing to get total development costs down."

David Von Spreckelsen, vice president of Toll Brothers, said his company built the first of two towers at its Northside Piers project in Williamsburg, Brooklyn, with union contractors. But as construction costs escalated in 2008, Toll Brothers turned to a nonunion contractor for the second tower, prompting unions to protest with five giant inflatable rats. The company now has three apartment buildings under construction in Manhattan with nonunion labor.

And this week, the developer of the Atlantic Yards megaproject in Brooklyn said it was seriously considering using a prefabricated method to build its residential high-rise. While most of the workers would be unionized, there would be fewer of them and they would earn less money because much of the labor would be done in a factory, where wage scales are lower than on the site.

The construction unions have long been the backbone of the city's blue-collar middle class. A journeyman carpenter, for example, is now paid $46 an hour, with health, pension and other benefits bringing the total cost to $85. The total compensation for mason tenders, a less skilled position, is $58.


"We make a good salary, probably more than most office workers," said Marc Spring, a union plumber for 25 years whose father was a union plumber for 40 years. "But we work harder than they do, out in the elements."

Mr. Spring acknowledged that "times were tough," one reason that his local had already made concessions. Still, Mr. Spring said, he resents the constant talk of givebacks. "I don't see how the developers aren't making money," he said.
Besides some benefit reductions, the employers want changes in some decades-old work rules, beginning with overtime. Workers now earn double pay for overtime; the construction companies want to reduce it to time and a half.
On most jobs, the workday starts when workers arrive at ground level, but on large jobs with many men sharing a hoist, it can take another half-hour to reach the actual work site on a high floor, and another half-hour to descend at the end of the day. Employers are proposing that workers be paid only from the time they reach their station to the time they leave it, and some unions have already agreed to this change.

They also want to end a requirement by the operating engineers, who operate cranes, bulldozers and other heavy equipment, that three workers be in place to work even when only one is needed. Although they are a tiny fraction of the work force, they are the highest-paid, often earning well over $200,000 a year, including overtime.

James Conway, an official of Local 14 of the Operating Engineers, declined to comment.


The employers, however, are wary of pressing too hard, because a strike by just one union could be enough to shut down many of the city's major construction projects.
And despite the animosity among the unions and their employers, Ruth Milkman, a sociology professor at the CUNY Graduate Center who studies unions, said they have an important common ground. "Once you allow nonunion, lower-cost bidders to undercut the unions, it threatens everybody," Professor Milkman said. "So there is a mutual interest at work here."




I haven't heard a sensible union argument since Dad died and all I hear now is "you have to". I don't HAVE to do shit and that attitude is what has caused their membership numbers, and the quality of their work, fall like a rock.
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Kenm123t
Posted on Saturday, March 19, 2011 - 02:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mostly Union means Stupid and proud of it!

We purchased every Instructor at our JATC a new laptop etc. I visited the school to teach class on VFDs and looked around and didnt see one computer. I asked where is your lap top ? the teacher said they have to be checked out along with the reason they want use it and it has to be turned in before they could leave class. I asked the Jatc school admin why he told me they were expensive and he didnt want them broken. One of my stocked service trucks costs 125,000 and they are worried about a 1100.00 for a laptop the contractors paid for any way! Its like building a library and locking the doors.
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Sifo
Posted on Saturday, March 19, 2011 - 02:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

This says about all you need to know about unions...

So collective bargaining is more important than providing quality, affordability, or anything else. Clearly they aren't "doing it for the kids".
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Sifo
Posted on Saturday, March 19, 2011 - 03:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Court
Posted on Saturday, March 19, 2011 - 05:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That MTA news article isn't even the tip of the iceberg . . . . these guys rank up there with the librarians and ferry mechanics making $160,000/yr/
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Mr1spd
Posted on Sunday, March 20, 2011 - 01:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Wow, we wouldn't need Unions if we didn't have crooked employers.
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Ezblast
Posted on Sunday, March 20, 2011 - 01:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

1spd's right - that's the simple fact of it -
EZ
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Reindog
Posted on Sunday, March 20, 2011 - 05:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mr1spd said:

quote:

Wow, we wouldn't need Unions if we didn't have crooked employers.



I don't understand. Your profile says that you belong to a union. Fair enough, but I have to assume by your odd statement that your employer is crooked. Why would you work for a crooked employer? I would immediately look for a different job if my employer was crooked, but hey, that's just me. You are in collusion with someone crooked. That says a lot about you.

Or are you just simply being emotional?

I love the fact that my company gives me a chance to prove myself every day. I have the opportunity to better myself and better my company. I drive by the paid protesters holding "Shame on Broadcom" signs and I find it strange. Broadcom renovated a building so that we could hire more people. We did not buckle under union demands that we solely use union labor which is a form of extortion. Silly us, we went with a contractor who did the best job at the best price that didn't hire undocumented Democrats.
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Crusty
Posted on Sunday, March 20, 2011 - 05:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Come on; let's all sing;
"Swing low, sweet chariot..."
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Aesquire
Posted on Sunday, March 20, 2011 - 06:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Let's be fair. The Right wing talking heads are NOW using the same class envy tactics their communist opponents have long used.

For example, during the Wisconsin paid and approved by the President of The U.S. protests, thuggery and propaganda weeks, some talking folk started telling us that the teachers made ( as an example ) 68K$. Bull. They made 51k$. They don't get paid year round, so, just like a ski resort worker, or a lifeguard, it's seasonal work. BUT the mantra was a "normalized" number that assumed their hourly pay continued for a year.

Bullcrap. That teacher does not get paid 68k. He gets paid 51k.

As my father often says. "Figures don't lie, but liars figure like crazy."

Using the tactics of the revolutionary left, which for the most part is to lie, lie, lie about everything, is not acceptable to me. I don't care if you claim to be a R or a D.
Communist Party USA ( right there with the union thugs and D politicians ) or Tea Party, you tell me lies, you suck.

Call them on their lies. No matter the party or ideology. Period.

Now, I'm a union member. I have a choice, unlike many. ( the choice is in some ways bogus. of course I get the same treatment from the union if I pay dues or not. Also, Unicorn farts and Rainbows will power us into a new tomorrow. ) Not having a choice? Bogosity.

Certainly there are lazy public workers who get away with crappy work on your dime. One of them is in Rio on an all expenses paid vacation in a fleet of private jets with massive entourage, after spending working hours doing a chart for March Madness. To be fair, he only makes 5-6 times what I do, not counting bennies, which are pretty sweet, including a pension that will totally rock. He could get paid better in private industry. Well, technically he could, but few companies actually pay all that well for his talents. He doesn't actually have any experience making payroll, a profit, or accomplishing anything besides spending other peoples money. Don't even see his grades on the resume.

I wouldn't mind but he complains his job is hard. ( duh! he's right ) and wishes he had some dude named "who"'s job because no one bitched about "who's" work. ( or they die ) Jerk. I don't even think he pays Union dues. The Scab.
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Kenm123t
Posted on Sunday, March 20, 2011 - 09:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If not for moochers and looters organizations Obama couldnt get a job.
Who would hire some one whos vitae you cant check but claims to be a Columbia Laws School grad.
As for the union members calling employers crooked Time has proven most acccuse others for what they are doing.
Example Not me in the family circus was blamed for every thing. Union members tend to be those that momma had to talk for them at the job interview. Good little liberals that are always crying about how someone hurt thier feelings and the every popular I LL TELL. Union leaders love to use these folks. The ride is over on feather bedding work rules and ponzi scheme benefit packages. I have watched my pension and annuity funds be looted by those in control of my local the pet pipe fitters looted it while the never out of work hvac paid the bills last trick they let the fitters retire early to get them paid. Then when the nuc plant had a refit they came back to work while receiving a full pension at 45!
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Crusty
Posted on Sunday, March 20, 2011 - 10:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Your neck must be killing you.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Monday, March 21, 2011 - 09:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

There is no slavery without unions for US labor. There IS slavery WITH unions for US labor.

We are simply expected to be union slaves.


Hey die hard union guys, when was the last pro-business candidate that the AFL-CIO supported?

Kill the business, kill yourself.


Swing low my ass.
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Crusty
Posted on Tuesday, March 22, 2011 - 07:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Another case of rectal occulitis.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Tuesday, March 22, 2011 - 11:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You should have that looked at then.
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