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     Indy_bueller |
Those poor people in Libya who have been fighting desperately for freedom have been betrayed by the only country that could have possibly done anything about it. I'm not holding back about Obamalama any more. He's a damn coward for not protecting those people fighting for liberty. He's been too damn busy figuring out his NCAA brackets and being intimidated by Commie China. | ||
| Just_ziptab |
Well honestly,I don't even know what NCAA brackets are,but it is something to do with basketball. In these days, it seems to be very important above all matters to have brackets picked......so I guess my thoughts of that being unpresidential makes me insignificant......  | ||
| Onezeno |
The rebels from the beginning said they did not want foreign intervention. If the US intervenes, we're the Evil Empire, and if we sit it out, we're indifferent to oppressed people fighting for democracy. The State Department is pretty much saying, "We'll let the Libyans decide their politics, but we want to de-escelate violence." I think that's legit. Also, the UN has passed a no-fly zone over Libya, which the US will enforce. Raptors might finally see some action  | ||
| Birdy |
A big reason America is so hated around the world is our leaders have come to act like the run the world. If they can learn to keep their noses out of others lives and worry about problems here at home we could get out of the mess we're in thanks to 2 wars we should have never gotten into. One started by lies the other by supporting the wrong people for reasons of power and control that it seems Washington has come to crave. I better stop now before I piss EVERYONE off.  My .02 | ||
| Aesquire |
Naw, Birdy, you're half right. Your understanding of how the Afghan & Iraqi fronts got started is ignorant and obviously informed by propaganda.... but, not occupying a country is a better idea than "nation building" if you don't want to spend lots of money on ungrateful barbarians. Lot to be said for just letting those foreign folk kill each other off, and be isolationist. It usually leads to massive war, ( see WW1, WW2, ) but there is a lot to be said for it. Perhaps Clinton's idea of bombing the crap out of a country is the best compromise? Still not going to make you loved. Really we gotta get over that needy crap. It's silly, our enemies are not going to like us. Duh. Onezeno has a clue, it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't deal. While I have no Idea what this admin is actually going to DO in Libya, there are limits to what's possible unless you unleash the dogs and take out Gaddafi. Not likely. We could have hit Libyan govt. forces, saved a lot of rebel lives, and Gaddafi would already be gone. Too late. Didn't happen that way. In any war, My Opinion, ( based on history ) is go big or stay home. If you hit hard, get it over with, and leave, far less lives are lost. If you are going to stay and "nation build" ( bad idea, so far ) use the example of Japan, not Iraq or Afghanistan. We actually know how to do these things, but we don't do it right anymore, it seems. There is also the ongoing question who is going to end up on top in the multiple uprisings in the Arab World. Freedom loving folk? Muslim Brotherhood? I'm pessimistic. Obama's admin., by sending mixed signals, got a lot of people killed. Iranians, Libyans, etc. We seem to be hostile to the ( relatively ) good guys ( Egypt, Jordan ) and ignore the folk protesting the really bad guys ( Iran, Syria ) where the govt. is evil. You tell me the moral basis for U.S. actions. (Message edited by aesquire on March 19, 2011) | ||
| Birdy |
'You tell me the moral basis for U.S. actions." There are none | ||
| Fast1075 |
Somebody needs to give ole Ghadaffi a call and ask him if he wants some more Aardvarks shoving bombs up his ass again. His choice.  thunder rolls. | ||
| Slaughter |
No... see Monty Python and the Holy Grail. We should take the position of "Now GO AWAY or I shall taunt you a second time!" | ||
| Sifo |
UN sanctioned no-fly zone... That's exactly how we got into Iraq. | ||
| Fahren |
Some words from Ron Paul: No-Fly Won’t Fly Constitutionally “Last week we once again heard numerous voices calling for intervention in Libya. Most say the US should establish a “no-fly” zone over Libya, pretending that it is a benign, virtually cost-free action, and the least we could do to assist those trying to oust the Gaddaffi regime. Let us be clear about one thing: for the US to establish a “no fly” zone over all or part of Libya would constitute an act of war against Libya. Establishing any kind of military presence in the sovereign territory of Libya will require committing troops to engage in combat against the Libyan air force, as well as anti-aircraft systems. The administration has stated that nothing is off the table as they discuss US responses to the unrest. This sort of talk is alarming on so many levels. Does this mean a nuclear strike is on the table? Apparently so…” | ||
| Court |
>>>> our leaders have come to act like the run the world. Nice to know there is someone else who recalls when we HAD leaders . . . . I go along with the Big O on his KU pick but as a leader he's the laughing stock of the world . . . he couldn't decide between a Big Mac and a Double Cheese. | ||
| Sifo |
No-Fly Won’t Fly Constitutionally It will within certain limitations. There's a 90 day window where the CIC can have military operations without a congressional declaration of war. Of course there is a clause about being in the interest of our nation. I'm still wondering how that fit with the bombing of Kosovo. The only national interest I've heard of in Libya is oil. Is BO really advocating blood for oil? If he were a leader he would be explaining this to congress to get congressional approval. Instead he is going on vacation again. A 90 day humanitarian bombing mission is hardly worthwhile. We were patrolling over Iraq for 12 years before we finally - like the strategy or not - we had an exit strategy. What is the strategy for Libya? What is the financial cost going to be? A leader would be answering these questions for the public. We are being blindly lead into a military conflict, not knowing what the objective even is. | ||
| No_rice |
i never usually post in these threads, but i will say... we have our own problems here at home! about time we take a small break from worrying about everyone else. how can the US save the world when it can barely take care of itself lately. | ||
| Badbuell08 |
+++++++++++++++++++1 IM WITH YOU NO RICE | ||
| Sifo |
Looks like others are confused by BO's intention too... http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/03/16 /european_governments_completely_puzzled_about_us_ position_on_libya
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| Paint_shaker |
"we have our own problems here at home! about time we take a small break from worrying about everyone else. how can the US save the world when it can barely take care of itself lately." YUP! | ||
| Kc10_fe |
Whatever. Let them figure this out themselves. I have no interest in visiting another litter box of a nation. Good thing England or France didnt take a side and fight (invade) during the Civil War. Were a nation that cant afford its bills now. Lets not sell China another 500 billion of our future to fund an operation that could be handled by Europe. Nothing on earth costs more than projecting military power abroad. (Message edited by kc10_fe on March 19, 2011) | ||
| Greg_e |
I agree with Birdy and No_Rice, let some of the other world leaders take on this new role. We have enough to be concerned about with our own issues, the battles we are currently fighting, and helping to prop up countries like Japan that really need our help right now. I'm all for some of the "humanitarian" efforts, but we need some of the other NATO countries to step up and do their parts for "Whirled peas". | ||
| Gohot |
NO RICE.......I'm with you, and a Vietnam Vet. | ||
| Sifo |
I would take No_Rice's advice a bit further. Get us the flock out of the UN! The UN without the backing of the US is nothing but a paper tiger, and there's too many voices that don't share out interests to continually back them. We can build alliances outside of the UN just as easily. We would be able to take a nice slice of the national budget and keep it in our pockets where it belongs. Seems like a double win to me. | ||
| Thesmaz |
Somebody needs to give ole Ghadaffi a call and ask him if he wants some more Aardvarks shoving bombs up his ass again. His choice. thunder rolls. That would be AWESOME to see them back in action! I used to be an F111 crew chief for the first few years of my USAF career. Too bad that there aren't any left, they have been retired world-wide... | ||
| Cowboy |
How much does one of those damn tomahawk cost? and who is going to pay for it? | ||
| Sifo |
I'm not sure of the cost per missle, but it looks like you and I are in for paying for 112 of them today. http://abcnews.go.com/International/libya-internat ional-military-coalition-launch-assault-gadhafi-fo rces/story?id=13174246 | ||
| Reepicheep |
It sure seems to me like the Obama adminstration is trying to lead by polling, which just about guarentees that they will do the wrong thing at the worst time. | ||
| 2008xb12scg |
Good thing England or France didnt take a side and fight (invade) during the Civil War. France helped us alot in that war thanks to the efforts of one Ben Franklin. As far as helping those poor people in Libya, what about those poor people in Africa? Those poor people in Egypt, South America, Mexico, the rest of the middle east..How much of your paycheck are you willing to give up for these efforts? and how many of our troops do we sacrafice? also is there any country we've helped that is thankful for that help? | ||
| Xdigitalx |
How much does one of those damn tomahawk cost? and who is going to pay for it? Cowboy, Is that a trick question??? .....CHINA......? | ||
| Sifo |
So what exactly do we get from a no-fly zone? It seems to me that all that accomplishes is to make the fight more even between the two sides. When you do that all you accomplish is to prolong the bloodshed. We get this from a man who claimed that the surge in Iraq could not work, and that he would be able to resolve conflicts like this with diplomacy. God forbid we utter the phrase "rush to war". I'd really like to have BO take some time from his vacation to explain to us and congress exactly what the strategy is here. Go big or go home!  | ||
| Slaughter |
France helped us alot in that war thanks to the efforts of one Ben Franklin Uhhhh - hate to tell you, you are in the wrong war. Missed it by about 90 years. | ||
| Just_ziptab |
Rio/Brazil+ daughters. Spring break paid for by you and me? |
