| Author | Message | ||
     1125rcya |
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/afl-cio-2010-rally they are about to escort people out because they don't have a right to be there | ||
| Spank |
Well, they kick the homeless out every night so it's only fair! There was a dude on the news that has been there 12 days already...that's just nasty. He said he would only leave under police escort...stupid tree hugger's. | ||
| 1125rcya |
Could you explain the differences between the homeless being there and protesters? | ||
| Firebolt020283 |
what are they protesting about? | ||
| Xdigitalx |
why people waste time doing shit like this. Is it not open tomorrow 8am? They won't accomplish much by staying over night except some achy backs and sore necks If the bargaining is removed from contracts...couldn't it be reinstated in the future?? I would think so. Get everyone back to work (and school), fix the budget for a couple years then vote again? Simple. (?) Any of these other folk... loose their jobs yet? (the protesters) All on unemployment? I guess the job market will be good in the next couple months. Dam,. I better include WI in my work search. | ||
| Johnnymceldoo |
The funniest thing about the whole situation is protesters likening their situation to protesters in egypt. What a riot! Its like al gore lecturing us all on using less as he flies around in jets going to different events while his mansion at home leaves one enormous carbon footprint. The left...how do they work? | ||
| Xdigitalx |
wtf...camera is offline.... argh waste of popcorn... | ||
| Chrisrogers3 |
"Stupid tree hugger's" Not quite an environmental issue at hand.... "why people waste time doing shit like this." Because there are some people in this nation who truly believe in what they are fighting for. Rallies have been held in all 50 states over the weekend in support of WI. So apparently that "tree hugger" population is quite large these days.... Its actually a serious matter here in WI. If youre not up to date with everything you should look into it and get your facts before you start saying things of sub-par intelligence..... | ||
| Whatever |
Capitol Police say no forceable removal is planned... check your facts... http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-po litics/article_f1def2c4-42bc-11e0-b8d7-001cc4c002e 0.html | ||
| Xdigitalx |
Rallies have been held in all 50 states over the weekend in support of WI. Yup. Isn't that what the TEA party did? Seems to me the people staying in that building overnight are of sub-par intelligence. If the bargaining is removed from contracts...couldn't it be reinstated in the future?? I would think so. Get everyone back to work (and school), fix the budget for a couple years then vote again? Simple. (?) Is the above statement really of sub-par intelligence? | ||
| Reindog |
How civil of you. We are in agreement about the seriousness of this matter. Anyone who has been absent from their job without a valid excuse has been stealing from their employer and should be punished up to and including termination. Fraudulent doctor's notes nor occupying the statehouse are not valid reasons for absence. Busing in professional protesters does not a political movement make. The majority of taxpayers do not agree with the exorbitant demands of public unions and whether they should even exist. | ||
| Spank |
"Not quite an environmental issue at hand...." It's a lot of the same idiots that are out there protesting...just to protest! | ||
| Spank |
"Could you explain the differences between the homeless being there and protesters?" The only difference I guess is that the homeless actually need a roof over their head?? | ||
| Boney95 |
Only 5 states do not have collective bargaining for educators and have deemed it illegal. Those states and their ranking on ACT/SAT scores are as follows. (By the way, Wisconsin is #2.) South Carolina -50th. North Carolina -49th. Georgia -48th. Texas -47th. Virginia -44th. | ||
| Big_red_79 |
its not just teachers, my little sister works for the state running background checks on gun purchases, and my mother is a transcriptionist for social services, they don't make that much, the benefits of half way decent health insurance and the possibility of a retirement plan are what make the job appealing, the loss of the collective bargaining rights takes even more out of their pay checks to put towards retirement and health care for them, and eliminates the possibility of raises, the state is in a deficit, but you never heard any of the politicians get together and talk about taking a pay cut or pay more for their health care or retirement, or even pass around a hat once a week! its a mess, the whole situation could have been handled better if a little more thought would have went into how to present the bill, just my .02 | ||
| Kenm123t |
Wis has been working with the unions for years. The last Gov could not get it done so the elected some who could. If you can't deal with the reality of these programs are no longer viable. I guess you may be one of the ones fired | ||
| Sifo |
Only 5 states do not have collective bargaining for educators and have deemed it illegal. Those states and their ranking on ACT/SAT scores are as follows. (By the way, Wisconsin is #2.) South Carolina -50th. North Carolina -49th. Georgia -48th. Texas -47th. Virginia -44th. When someone posts something like this with out citing a source, it's always fun to check on the data. I have no idea where that data came from but it wasn't current ACT scores. Current ACT scores can be found here... http://www.act.org/news/data/10/states.html?utm_ca mpaign=cccr10&utm_source=data10_leftnav&utm_medium =web I copied this into EXCEL and summed the scores for all categories, then sorted it. WI comes in at #17 with a total score of 110.1. South Carolina #44 with a total score of 99.3 North Carolina #21 with a total score of 109.1 Georgia #35 with a total score of 102.9 Texas #33 with a total score of 103.6 Virginia #13 with a total score of 110.8 Total scores ranged from a high of 119.6 for Massachusetts to a low of 93.3 for Mississippi. Looks like the non-union states are spread through the rankings fairly randomly to me. With all the other factors involved it would be hard to make the case that unions teachers are performing better than their non-union counter parts. Boney95, would you like to share your source for the questionable data you have? EDIT: BTW the national average was 104.7 (Message edited by SIFO on February 28, 2011) | ||
| Sayitaintso |
Call me stupid if you want, but to me citing SAT or ACT scores as a measure of schools/teachers is a rather poor measuring stick. The students that need the most help are the least likely to take the ACT or SAT. | ||
| Sifo |
I agree that SAT or ACT scores are far from the best measure of how schools are performing. It would be a huge step forward for educators to actually promote the idea of measuring the effectiveness of the education system. Can you imagine a manufacturing firm wanting to not test how it's products do in the real world? | ||
| Sifo |
Perhaps someone could 'splain something to me... The Democrats always say that they want to take away from the rich (I believe that would be the overcompensated), yet they support these teachers who make a very good living working a seasonal job with retirement benefits that are worth millions. There seems to be some inconsistency here. What gives? Yes, I know the answer, it's meant to be rhetorical. | ||
| Court |
>>>I agree that SAT or ACT scores are far from the best measure of how schools are performing. I'd not choose a fighter pilot based on his/her written examination score, either. I know MENSA folks who are blooming idiots. The converse is true. Generalization will getcha in trouble. Be wise. | ||
| Bads1 |
If teachers were nurses and students were patients- And nurses left work for 3 days to go on strike it would be called patient abandonment, punishable by loss of license and possible prison time. | ||
| R100rs |
just curious adam,are you a teacher? | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.cpusa.org/ http://www.internationalsocialist.org/ http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/ofasplashfl ag/ http://www.seiu.org/splash/ Just a few of the many organizations sponsoring, paying for, organizing, and sending troops to Wisconin, and all 50 states, to fight America. If you search for calls to arms for the protests, the list is quite long. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/forty8r/wisco nsin-governor-walker-dire-consequences_n_826865_78 326672.html Well organized, well funded, and all, fundamentally, dishonest. ( the last is my opinion.... but I'll bet you cash, show me the group, I'll show you the lies. It's the basis for Marxism, in the end. ) Tea party? closest to grass roots anyone here will ever see. Though there are large contributors, and a few who claim to be leaders, they mostly are guys trying to get ahead of the crowd so they can claim to lead. Like Barry. | ||
| Rocketsprink |
And the ignorance begins. Read the WHOLE god damn 144 page bill, as I did, then see if you feel the same. Much more in there than you think and has to do with much more than union busting. Private sector workers WILL be affected. But I know, most here are one agenda followers. Tea Party grass roots? now THAT'S funny!!!!!! Scott Walker will go down as one of the worse Governors of all time. I hope the recall gets his cross eyed dumb ass out early. I LOVE how he doesn't want to "strap our kids" with debt, but the $165,000,000 that has to be "paid" is actually going to be refinance with $30,000,000 in interest tacked on. Really fiscally conservative of him.  (Message edited by rocketsprink on February 28, 2011) | ||
| Johnnymceldoo |
It would be tough making the cuts necessary to survive in this obama economy. We all must make the sacrifices. | ||
| Spank |
One of the worst Governor's of all time...guess you missed the Doyle years... I am staying with my belief that unions don't belong in government jobs... | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Considering most here NOT from Wisconsin lack the time or interest to read a 144 page bill that doesn't directly affect them, Rocco, please explain the specific sections of the bill you find most egregious and summarize the negative impact you believe that specific section will bring. Then we can debate them. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
x2 | ||
| Aesquire |
I'm not for or against the Governors bill. I simply note the people who are spending time and money to oppose it. Not all are people who want to transform my life against my will in pursuit of a utopian dream. Or want to rule me with an iron fist. But lots of the people there, are that kind of folk. Fighting for money and power. Also teachers, cops, government workers, etc. Also Fighting for money and power. That, I don't mind. I also note the high percentage of union "donations" to one party, and the political theater here. Vaudeville? or the beginning of The Terrors? I dunno. Can a adjustment in the workers compensation solve the fiscal problem without a change in the status quo? Is a freeze in benefits needed? ( removing the ability to mass contract the benefit package, essentially freezes it until the next election. ) Or can only mass layoffs solve the budget gap? Or does none of that matter? because this is a big cultural battle for the bucks and minds of the taxpayer? |
