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     99savage |
WikiLeaks exposes true origins of Mexican cartels' weaponry (Hint: It's not due to the "mythical" gun show loophole) Please fact check this - It makes sense to me but suspect it will soon disappear from Wiki The idea that we'd ever find WikiLeaks information relevant to the protection of United States citizens' gun rights wasn't anywhere on our radar when the NSSF's Larry Keane tipped us off to some disturbing information gleaned from leaked State Department documents. According to State Department cables, the Mexican drug cartels are getting their weaponry from an international operation, with the cartels getting military weapons through various government channels. Some of those weapons did, in fact, come from the United States, but they weren't the result of the "gun show loophole" straw-man purchases or any of the other individual criminal acts anti-gun groups would have you believe. Large quantities of those US weapons -everything from rifles to machine guns, grenade launchers, explosives and ammunition, came from purchases by the government of Mexico from the United States. As the underpaid, undermanned and undermined soldiers of the Mexican army skipped out on the military to put their training to work for the cartels, they took their issued-arms with them. Others come from weapon buys from guerrilla groups in South and Central America that are then smuggled into the country. No specific numbers on how many of those guns "recovered in Mexico and traced back to the United States" were, in fact, military purchases, but the State Department cables indicate a portion of the fewer than 12 percent of the traceable weapons actually came from the United States in gun shop/individual type purchases. Remember, that's not 12 percent of the tens of thousands of weapons recovered - it's only 12 percent of the weapons recovered that were traceable. It's nowhere near the 12 percent figure that has been misquoted and used as evidence of the United State's "horrific" problem of illegal gun sales. (Message edited by 99Savage on February 28, 2011) | ||
| Thumper74 |
It gets even better when gun shops call the ATF to report very large purchases of WASR10 (AK clones) rifles and are told to proceed with the sale... The same gunshop is then dinged by the ATF? On a side note, anyone watch Sons of Guns? See the young guy trying to get the owner's daughter to sell him an NFA Saiga 12 without the proper paperwork? Then walks, like it's a used car lot and it'll entice her to do it? Seems to me like it was an ATF secret squirrel. I can't imagine a shop with an owner who runs around with a 50 cal mounted to his Bronco that makes custom AKs, suppressed shotguns, short barrel shotguns, etc. not being eyeballed by the ATF... | ||
| Sub65chris |
this is fairly old news. there were 12 barret 50's recovered from a cartel in early 2006. they all were traced back to a sale to the mexican military. did not show up on the news ,i wonder why? | ||
| Ninefortheroad |
the truth has no agenda the media does and most the time it is selling news rather than reporting the truth... | ||
| Tbolt_pilot |
The 12% number was loosely tossed around by the media and, of course, presented out of context. Not recalling exactly, but the actual stat was that of the guns recovered by the Mexican police that had serial numbers and that they bothered to have traced by the U.S., 12% of them had once been in the U.S. at one time or another. But that was out of a couple hundred... not 12% of tens of thousands. Don't quote me on all that, but it's the general gist of the warped reporting in mainstream media. I had always asked when reading a warped report like that, "Why would they spend the time and money to buy overpriced shotguns and semi-autos at a show in the U.S. and risk getting them across the border when they can buy boatloads of Chinese and Russian stuff a lot easier." Duh! But then that story doesn't sell newspapers for the NY Times. | ||
| Pwnzor |
Hmmm... Al Quaida and Taliban have stingers. Mexican drug lords have guns of American origin. Iranians have nuclear technology from General Electric. Half the middle east extracts their oil from the ground using our pumps in wells we dug. I think I'll go shoot myself in both feet and see if it's covered by medicare. | ||
| Azxb9r |
I think I'll go shoot myself in both feet and see if it's covered by medicare. Only if you are in the country illegally  There have been several truckloads of guns headed to Mexico confiscated by law enforcement recently here in southern Az. Where the guns came from is anyones guess, I would bet that most were stolen. |
