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Cityxslicker
Posted on Saturday, March 05, 2011 - 12:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

spot the Harley Rider
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86129squids
Posted on Saturday, March 05, 2011 - 12:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ummm- ALL of them, City?!
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Saturday, March 05, 2011 - 02:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

ok, so it was a 'trick' question
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Daves
Posted on Sunday, March 06, 2011 - 07:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"soft and weak" you got that right!
Just about every week I get kids in the shop to try archery.
When you have 10-12 year old boys that can't pull a 20 lb bow something is wrong. Little wimps.
One of my shop shooters is a 10 year old boy, he is the son of another of my shooters. He is a small kid for his age and is currently pulling 43 lbs. Yet kids bigger than him at the same age can't pull 15 lbs. Those kids need a big dose of HTFU.
Parents need to start raising their boys to be men, not girls.
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Slaughter
Posted on Sunday, March 06, 2011 - 08:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

why would I pay some one to do something i can do in 10 minutes my self and and make sure it is done right




This reminds me of the age old argument about sex with a partner or going solo
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Slaughter
Posted on Sunday, March 06, 2011 - 08:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Xodot
Posted on Sunday, March 06, 2011 - 10:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

on the "soft of weak thought"....

In my society, I have seen my children pass through an education system with mostly women teachers - women without children or women who have never successfully raised a "boy to be a man." These women teachers like to have an nice orderly classroom with rules. The ideals they have in mind for their classroom suit girls not boys.

Have ya noticed little boys and little girls behave differently? It is in their nature. Boys are, shall I say, generally more active and curious and needing the by moving.

The teacher sees little Josh behaving like the boy he is (running and pushing and talking )and that behaviour is contrary to the teachers ideals for her classrooom. The teacher tells the parents - "Josh is not paying attention in class. He is disruptive. See the poor scores on the tests I gave him. That proves HE HAS A PROBLEM."

Parents try to encourage, reward, and even discipline Josh to change his natural behaviour. Josh feels bad because all the adults in his life want him to do something he simply can't. Josh's self esteem sinks but his behaviour is still naturally that of a boy.

Concerned parents take Josh to the Doctor and the Josh gets pills to change his behaviour from that of a girl to that of a girl. That's another adult authority telling Josh there is something wrong with him. Self esteem sinks lower.

Medicated Josh returns to the classroom subdue by pills.The teacher's classroom is restored to the order she wants and she rewards Josh with better grades and comments on the report card. "See parents? I was right. There WAS SOMETHING WRONG WITH JOSH. The proof is in the better marks and comments I am giving him." Josh is praised and is now convinced life is better if he behaves like a girl not a boy. Soft and weak and self doubting makes you more popular that strong and curious and confident.

A decade or so later Josh is looking for a spouse, but what does he have to offer? He is a weak young man with no confidence or self esteem. He dates but can't commit. If he finds a woman desperate enough to take on the reclamation project he is, the Josh raises another generation of girl-boys, because that is all he knows how to be.

A generation of women express frustration that they can;t find a real man. There frustration started with their mother and grand-mother teachers who did not understand that a boy needs to be active. It's in his nature.

How do I know this is true? I am in my 50's. I was a Josh with the drugs from the doctor. They didn't have them invented then or else I would have been on them. We have raised 4 kids, three girls and the last was a Josh.

We home-schooled our Josh successfully for two years to get him caught up in reading and writing skills and to give challenges and freedom to reclaim his self-esteem.

We have since seen our three girls seeking men that are capable of taking care of themselves and someone else. They each married guys a decade older than they were because the guys their age were too soft and weak.

If you have a boy in school, don't buy into the opinions of teachers who are doing nothing more than trying to give themselves an easy workplace teaching all girls and boys that behave like girls.

I am pretty sure this is not a universal situation, but is in Ontario and it makes me puke.
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Blake
Posted on Sunday, March 06, 2011 - 11:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Interesting observations Bob.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Sunday, March 06, 2011 - 11:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

In the old days, there was an hour or recess. Every day.

If you want a boy to be able to concentrate you MUST allow the natural release of energy.

Instead, we must now have three of those five hours a day to teach about global warming, rain forests and "My Two Daddies". Students today are in class longer, for more hours a school year than ANY generation before them, and they are leaving the educational system dumber than ANY generation before them.

The public education system is a joke.

By design.
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Xdigitalx
Posted on Sunday, March 06, 2011 - 01:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

omg... Just read this to my gf, now I am having an argument with her about this as I type this... she is taking the side of the teacher!! OMG... ...I had to put my hand up blocking out line of sight saying..."talk to the hand" lol... I understand the point and agree to an extent because times do change. But...WTF.
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Sunday, March 06, 2011 - 02:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

had they had ritalin when I was a kid, I am sure that I would have been on it.

disruptive in class
bored, inattentive
disrespectful to 'authority' figures
doesn't play well with others
doesn't understand 'team work'
doesn't share well with others
must be cheating in class, because there is no way he earned those grades ; )
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Sunday, March 06, 2011 - 02:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I believe sex separated classes should be the norm until 10th Grade.
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Firebolt020283
Posted on Sunday, March 06, 2011 - 02:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I think most of the kids diagnosed with add or adhd is bull crap. It is just a way for parents to drug their kids so they do not have deal with them.
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Ohsoslow
Posted on Sunday, March 06, 2011 - 08:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

im 27 and i think i have a story about one of my childhood friends that fits exactly what you guys are describing.

i have a friend that i have known since we were 5 years old, we lived on the same street all the way through to high school graduation. back in grade school we were in all of the same class rooms until 5th grade, we always sat by each other, copied our test answers etc etc, well that is until 3rd grade. all the way up until 3rd grade we were pretty much inseparable,we would walk to school together eat lunch, hang out after school terrorizing the neighborhood on our bikes. like most boys we would get into some pretty good fights, some ended up with just a hurt ego and others ended up with blood, the next day we were best friends again trading baseball cards and showing off our injuries to each other. neither of us were model students, disrupting class, picking on each other and other students, once again the usual boy stuff. one day on the play ground we got into a pretty big fight, i ended up with a black eye and bloody nose, he ended up with a broken finger. once the supervisors broke us up we were sent to the principles office where later that day both of our parents were called in to have a meeting with our teacher and the principle. fast forward about two weeks, my buddy tells me that he has to start taking pills so he can concentrate better in class, only being 8 years old i did think any thing of it.

as the weeks progressed we stopped hanging out as much and when we did all that he wanted to do was sit at his house and play video games, we never played video games! he continued taking riddlin (sp?) into high school and then was switched over to adderal (sp?) he continued to be more and more of a pansy he couldn't even run a full mile, he was by no means over weight, he in my opinion just lacked the drive to do anything.


fast forward to after graduation, we both got jobs and girlfriends, but he would have a new job ever couple of months usually because he got fired, i kept the same job for 6 years. he was constantly having girl problems, from my point of view, it was because he had little self respect, women would walk all over him and the ones that didnt he would treat like crap. i have had my share of bad relationships but nothing like what he has had.


i make this comparison because i feel like we were raised pretty much the same, our parents, who are still friends to this day, share many of the same ideals, neither of us were abused in anyway, all in all we both had very good lives growing up, his parents just chose to put him on medicine to "make him normal" as to where mine did not. im not saying that im better than him or he is a bad person because he is not! i just think that this crap that people feed their kids so they dont have to deal with them in the short term really has long term side affects.
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Xodot
Posted on Sunday, March 06, 2011 - 10:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ohsoslow-
well said, thank you for sharing it.
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Paint_shaker
Posted on Monday, March 07, 2011 - 07:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"disruptive in class
bored, inattentive
disrespectful to 'authority' figures
doesn't play well with others
doesn't understand 'team work'
doesn't share well with others
"

Sounds like a normal kid to me. But what do I know?
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Blake
Posted on Monday, March 07, 2011 - 10:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I always without fail got dinged on my report card for "deportment".

I hated most classes in elementary school as they bored me to tears. It literally felt like I was being psychologically tortured.
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2011 - 02:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp=41958021&# 41925657

interesting banter about the sex disparity in education v attention span.
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