| Author | Message | ||
     Blake |
I know someone who smokes for back pain. He is a wonderful, genuine, honest person. I also knew folks who used purely for recreational use. More than one of them are dead from suicide. XL, >>> When you inhale and hold it, even for a couple seconds, the smoke that then comes out of your mouth contains nearly no THC anymore, your body has absorbed it. If that is true, do you have a source for that information? Still there is the smoke that isn't inhaled, yes? Maybe children might be a bit more sensitive to the effects? Having already smoked the stuff and been high, you would likely be desensitized to mild effects, no? Smoking pot around children is REALLY dumb. (Message edited by blake on February 25, 2011) | ||
| Sportyeric |
Ross Rebagliatti won a gold medal for Canada in the winter Olympics a few years ago in snowboarding then had it stripped when he tested positive for pot. He got it back by arguing that he was exposed by all his friends smoking around him but he didn't. Lazy dope smoker will never amount to anything. Gold medal, baah! A number of people thought that the point of drug testing in sports is to find drugs taken to enhance performance, not mess it up. And in today's paper: http://www.vancouversun.com/opinion/Opinion+Conser vatives+tough+crime+agenda+based+false+premises/43 44907/story.html | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Smoking pot around children is REALLY dumb. I agree. But that gets back to the quality of the parents, not the pot. Smoking around kids is akin to offering them a beer. What kind of parent would even think of that? This is another "extreme" argument from the anti-pot people and laughable. | ||
| Xl1200r |
Blake, sorry to hear of those you knew that took their own life, but I think we can agree that pot would have been symptom and not a cause. As far as absorption speed, I'll have to admit that it appears that little factoid is one of those "knowns" that just are and I'm having a hard time finding evidence to back it up. You can take that as you will. I'll still default to my personal experience, and add a number of concerts and what not and still never had a contact high. The point I'm trying to get across is I wasn't in that room once for a couple minutes, it was a regular occurrence, almost daily. As far as un-inhaled smoke, yes, there can be some, but in most cases this is very little. Even a well-rolled joint won't stay lit the whole time like a cigarette will, and if you're using anything else to smoke with, it just doesn't stay burning unless you inhale pretty hard. And at that point, you snuff it out to keep it from burning and wasting it. God, I sound like an expert. Honest, I'm not, I just took a big interest in this stuff not long ago in terms of it's real effects on the body and society. My biggest driver was trying to deal with chronic back and leg pain as the pills I'd been prescribed just left me feeling drowsy and with a stomach ache. (Message edited by xl1200r on February 25, 2011) | ||
| Xdigitalx |
Light a bowl or a joint... take a hit... now look at that bowl.. what is it doing? smoking like a sonbitch. Now, how many times was the bowl lit up and a hit taken from it? The smoke dies down gradually but is very potent (user's would suggest you try snorting it up asap wasting none) How long do you hold it in? are you sure you hold EVERY hit the same? 40 secs? 60 secs? or some 5 secs? Have you ever coughed out a hit? How does one measure the THC coming out of ones mouth anyways? is it detectable from the naked eye? is it the texture of the smoke? the color? is it allways white? I love snickers. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
yeah, i would hard pressed to think exhaled pot smoke has no THC left in it... | ||
| Xdigitalx |
still never had a contact high..... That is hilarious!! You wouldn't know what a contact high was unless you've had one...that said, if you never had one,.. how do you know what one feels like? Did you stop and get something to eat after that concert? Did it taste especially good??  | ||
| Sifo |
I agree. But that gets back to the quality of the parents, not the pot. Which explains the 10 year sentence for the mother from the OP. As far as absorption speed, I'll have to admit that it appears that little factoid is one of those "knowns" that just are and I'm having a hard time finding evidence to back it up. You can take that as you will. I'll still default to my personal experience, and add a number of concerts and what not and still never had a contact high. The point I'm trying to get across is I wasn't in that room once for a couple minutes, it was a regular occurrence, almost daily. Without scientific testing you're just blowin' smoke out your arse. Funny how the argument on second hand cigarette smoke was to assume that the smoke was harmful (that argument still is made all the time BTW). The cigarette companies successfully defended themselves on the grounds that second hand smoke had never been subjected to scientific analysis. Fred Singer was the scientist involved in showing many of the differences in the chemistry of first hand vs. second hand smoke. All that was proved in this case was that it hadn't been studied though, not that it wasn't harmful. So back to pot... How much THC can you get from second hand smoke? Apparently enough to get caught on a drug test according to the Olympic committee. Now for someone who smokes pot, you have developed a certain tolerance for it and very well not think that you feel the effects from second hand smoke. That very well may not be the case for a young child though. Yes it is stupid to put a young child at risk like that. Then we can discuss the aspects of contributing to the delinquency of a minor and how irresponsible that is. Do you think it does no harm to teach a young child to ignore authority? Good luck raising that kid. | ||
| Xl1200r |
After you take a hit, no, it's not smoking like a sonbitch. And if it is, you put it out. I've already stated this, but maybe you missed it. I never claimed there was no THC when you exhale, but I would argue there is very little. If there was a more efficient way to deliver it your body, people would do it. Combine that with how diluted the smoke is going to be in the air and the case for a second hand high diminishes drastically. The bottom line is I'd never defend smoking in front of kids (which I've already stated). Putting the young ones to bed and lighting up in the other room is not going to have any effect on your kids, though I'd still argue against it lest the wake and come out. I'd default to what Sifo said, re: contributing to the delinquency of a minor, etc etc. How would I not know what a contact high feels like? I know what normal feels like and I know what high feels like. Please explain to me what I'm missing. Also, I was exposed to this LONG before I ever smoked myself and had no tolerance for it. Please keep up the personal attacks, I find them amusing in a pitiful sorta way. | ||
| Sifo |
How would I not know what a contact high feels like? I know what normal feels like and I know what high feels like. Please explain to me what I'm missing. Also, I was exposed to this LONG before I ever smoked myself and had no tolerance for it. The thing is that we aren't discussing the effect on an adult. We are discussing the effect on an undeveloped child. The effects can (or not) be very different. There is in fact risk involved in doing this sort of experiment to your child at home. Until testing has been done it's impossible to state the level of the risk, but the risk is there. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
What personal attacks? Chill dude... | ||
| Xdigitalx |
You will get a contact high, be it slight or intense, it is in the mind of the individual whether they realize it or not. You just may not have realized it at all. Believe what you want. | ||
| Xl1200r |
Ah, the ol' "it happened even if you didn't feel it" argument. I suppose if I have a sip of beer, I must be drunk even if I don't feel anything. After all, there's alcohol in my body. Who the hell are you to tell me what I was feeling or not? This was a point in my life where I curious as to what it felt like but too chicken to try it (I bought into the 'my government says it's an illegal drug so it must be bad' mentality) and would TRY to inhale as much of the smoke as I could. Trust me, if it had an effect, I'd have known. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Which explains the 10 year sentence for the mother from the OP. Smoking weed and dealing drugs are worlds apart. Meanwhile these two women take up beds in prison as other more deserving offenders are not incarcerated due to overcrowding. Where is the logic in this great Country of ours? Could it be simply it's easier to catch and prosecute the small drug dealing fish like these two women so law enforcement and the juducial system can say they are doing something (besides writing traffic tickets?) i would hope they offered the women a deal for for information on the real drug dealers higher up the food chain? In that business, people will often drop a dime if they think it will save their skin. | ||
| Sifo |
Smoking weed and dealing drugs are worlds apart. True, but I was responding about the quality of the parents. So was the Judge when he gave her a 10 year sentence. You must have missed that part. Meanwhile these two women take up beds in prison as other more deserving offenders are not incarcerated due to overcrowding. Only one was sentenced to jail. The grandmother got probation - so that she could take care of the kids. You must have missed that part. Could it be simply it's easier to catch and prosecute the small drug dealing fish like these two women so law enforcement and the juducial system can say they are doing something (besides writing traffic tickets?) i would hope they offered the women a deal for for information on the real drug dealers higher up the food chain? In that business, people will often drop a dime if they think it will save their skin. She refused a plea deal. You must have missed that part. Does smoking dope dull the senses? | ||
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| Brumbear |
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| Fresnobuell |
True, but I was responding about the quality of the parents. So was the Judge when he gave her a 10 year sentence. You must have missed that part. My comment wasn't addressed your post. You must have missed that part. Only one was sentenced to jail. The grandmother got probation - so that she could take care of the kids. You must have missed that part. OP doesn't have this information. You must have missed that part. She refused a plea deal. You must have missed that part. Got me on that one, although it should read "THEY refused the plea deal." The bong must have gotten in the way. Does smoking dope dull the senses? Does being holier than thou make your anti-pot arguments any stronger? And how the f do you know I smoke weed? Just because I defend it's use? Pretty big assumption, fella. You remind me of one of my college buddies who would chastise everyone who smoked pot, while he stood by and drank beer by the 12 pack. No one liked that dude. Fact is if we de-criminalize weed, it would solve ALOT of problems. pull you head out, guys. There are MANY countries that allow legal marijuana use and don't have stoned crazies running rampant. IT'S NOT LIKE WHAT WE ARE DOING REGARDING ILLEGAL DRUGS IS WORKING NOW!!!!!!!HIRE MORE COPS, BUILD MORE PRISONS!!!KILL 'EM ALL!! ...or legalize pot.  | ||
| Sifo |
My comment wasn't addressed your post. You must have missed that part. Are you sure? You quoted my post. You may have missed that part. OP doesn't have this information. You must have missed that part. It's been brought up numerous times at this point. You may have missed that part. Does being holier than thou make your anti-pot arguments any stronger? And how the f do you know I smoke weed? Just because I defend it's use? Pretty big assumption, fella. You remind me of one of my college buddies who would chastise everyone who smoked pot, while he stood by and drank beer by the 12 pack. No one liked that dude. Fact is if we de-criminalize weed, it would solve ALOT of problems. pull you head out, guys. There are MANY countries that allow legal marijuana use and don't have stoned crazies running rampant. IT'S NOT LIKE WHAT WE ARE DOING REGARDING ILLEGAL DRUGS IS WORKING NOW!!!!!!!HIRE MORE COPS, BUILD MORE PRISONS!!!KILL 'EM ALL!! ...or legalize pot. Not holier than thou at all. I've partied plenty as a matter of fact. I've learned the hard way that it does in fact dull your senses, among other negative impacts. No doubt that legalizing pot will solve some problems. It also creates new problems. If you want it legalized you need to win the debate to do so. If it were done in a rational way, I really have no problem with it. There are issues that I would want to have honestly addressed before simply making it legal though. I would also like to see some of the problems with alcohol addressed too. BTW, your college buddy has a valid point in that what he was doing was at least legal. There is a difference. | ||
| Xl1200r |
Let's try and get this thread back to a level of civility. Sifo - I'm not sure how much/often you used it, but knowing people who did very regularly (as in just about daily), both they and I would admit that it does take a tole on you when you aren't high, mainly in short-term memory. However, I don't think more limited usage has a great impact. I'd be interested to hear your concerns with making it legal as well the issues with alcohol you mentioned. | ||
| Fast1075 |
All this talk has made me hungry....  | ||
| Blake |
>>> Meanwhile these two women take up beds in prison as other more deserving offenders are not incarcerated due to overcrowding. Huh? In Oklahoma? For women? Where are you getting your information? And it is just one going to prison, yes? | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Are you sure? You quoted my post. You may have missed that part. As far as I can tell, it's from Blake's post above. It's been brought up numerous times at this point. You may have missed that part. Must have. haven't read all the pages of this thread. BTW, your college buddy has a valid point in that what he was doing was at least legal. There is a difference. Yeah, there's a difference. He was and still is brainwashed to believe the government knows whats best for you and me. I will determine what's best for me, thank you very much and if that breaks some laws--so be it. So Sifo, sounds to me like you partied, realized you had an addictive personality and now have flipped to the opposite side in an extreme way. Trying to impose your moral values on the rest of us doesn't work. Legalizing pot will not force you to pick up the habit again... Question: do you ride your motorcycle the speed limit? | ||
| Sifo |
XL, I was a daily user for quite a while. I still have friends that smoke, and they can really be hard to take when they are stoned. Others that I try to keep my distance from because they are always stoned. One concern is driving stoned. You can't BS me that it won't happen. One of the handy things about pot is how portable it is. Just keep a one hitter handy in the car. Way easier to keep out of sight than a six pack of empties. On top of that it's harder for law enforcement to enforce. A breathalyzer won't do it. A blood test will require a court order. A road side test is too subjective for a good court case. The idea that suddenly illegal drug dealers will go away is utter nonsense. They will still be there with worse drugs along with all the same violence. There will be one difference though. As pointed out, kids looking to be seen as rebellious will wind up doing worse drugs to get the same street cred. Hard for me to estimate the impact of that reality, but it will exist. Despite what many claim, there are lingering effects to the brain. Memory is probably one of the worst. Reasoning ability seems a close second from my experience/observations. I'm sure there would be other negative impacts too. An honest debate on this would be interesting. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
One concern is driving stoned. YOu can't tell me with the $$$ in DUIs, they will not find field test to method to measure the THC levels in the blood. Just keep a one hitter handy in the car I would argue the smell would counteract the portability of the pipe. The idea that suddenly illegal drug dealers will go away is utter nonsense. Legalize it all and it will. Despite what many claim, there are lingering effects to the brain. Memory is probably one of the worst. Reasoning ability seems a close second from my experience/observations. I agree, but the fact is these people are doing this to themselves by their own choice. Alcohol is hard on the liver. You didn't answer the question: Do you speed on your bike? | ||
| Fresnobuell |
I still have friends that smoke, and they can really be hard to take when they are stoned. and this can be said of drunk friends as well. Fact is it's no fun to be the only sober one in the bunch. | ||
| Sifo |
There's a couple of other health issues I'm aware of off the top of my head. Pot has much more tar than tobacco, and users tend to inhale it more deeply and hold it longer. That has been proven to lead to lung disease. Personally I will always wonder if some of my repository issues are from pot smoking or not. Like tobacco there's no way to say for certain in any individual case, but the trend is undeniable. There's also the sterility issue. As far as I know that's an established fact. Someone can correct me or back me up if they know of scientific evidence. No doubt alcohol has plenty of bad health issue too. You shouldn't excuse bad, by pointing to bad though. It's a very weak argument. I just wanted to state that before someone inevitably makes that argument again. | ||
| Sifo |
and this can be said of drunk friends as well. Fact is it's no fun to be the only sober one in the bunch. Agreed. See what I was typing about alcohol while you posted. | ||
| Slaughter |
People that mistakenly believe that problems go away with legalizing are just deluding themselves. What about cigarettes? How about tractor/trailer loads of cigarettes crossing state lines where per-pack taxes are $1 lower? Happens. What about alcohol? My dad lived in Elkins WVA for long enough to get to know the local operators and knew which smoke to report to authorities and which to ignore. What about antibiotics and other prescription drugs? Bootlegging will continue as long as things are taxed... though there will be less profit. | ||
| Brumbear |
they any good lookin we could make em earners  (Message edited by brumbear on February 25, 2011) |
