| Author | Message | ||
     Daves |
and it's only big money, why? Because it's illegal. Otherwise it's just a plant that anyone could grow for themselves. All the more reason to legalize it. | ||
| Daves |
The potheads money is already going to funding armies, for the drug cartels and corrupt governments(and, on occasion, our governments covert ops) | ||
| Xdigitalx |
If I still smoked, and it became legal.. I sure as hell would be growing my own. From seeds that I got from another weed grower, who probably got his from another weed grower... pre-legalization so ...how will the government collect all these taxes again?? Only from people who buy their product. I knew people that grew weed for years with their precious seeds. Much to easy to grow your own weed than build a still in yer closet. Maybe it will be like the home beer brewer kits. Someone's special recipe goes viral online... WOW... What a job that would be!! Grow weed and sell it online!! Sit on my ass all day playing games.. roll a few bones and then put some packages on my porch for the UPS guy to pick up..... | ||
| Blake |
>>> Much to easy to grow your own weed than build a still in yer closet. The same applies to tobacco. How many people you know growing their own? Most people live in cities. There's no garden space in an apartment and most folks just aren't up for all the work. If it becomes legal, Phillip Morris and other big tobacco corporations will be selling it for the same price as tobacco cigarettes and chewing tobacco and making a boat load of money doing it too. | ||
| Hootowl |
I think most folks would just buy it at the store. I brew my own beer, but I still buy beer at the store. I don't smoke cigarettes, but if I did, I wouldn't be growing my own tobacco. So much easier to buy it. Folks grow their own pot plants because there's less risk of being caught than there is trying to buy it. If it were legal, that impetus would vanish. | ||
| Boltrider |
Decriminalize it federally, then let the states figure out what they want to do. Had prop 19 passed, it still would have been in violation of federal law. | ||
| Sifo |
When's the last time you heard about someone going into a pot dealing house and killing anyone Pot is big money. Deal it in the wrong territory and somebody will get hurt. Maybe pot smokers don't get violent, but mess with a dealers money buy selling in his territory bad things can happen. I've lived in some bad spots and dealers that deal don't care that it's only pot. My brother knew a dealer (I met him a few times) that was shot to death in his home. The presumption was it was over a drug deal, but they never solved the case. His name was Ray. Basically a nice guy, but got into some bad stuff. In the news this AM there was a story from Warrenville, IL (local to me) about a guy that shot a long time "friend" because she refused to hide the pot he was dealing. Nah, nothing ever goes bad in drug deals. Seriously, you should read the police blotter in the Chicago area. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
No man u get big plant, prune right and grow huge buds...and smoke them... nothing like growing tobacco at all. 10x easier. | ||
| Daves |
I stand corrected. But would any of that happened if it weren't illegal? | ||
| Kenm123t |
Pot Harmless yeah right I watched it destroy my ex and all her siblings. Oh and if you think its not a gateway drug your stoned already. Drug users wont stop even after being jailed. Tax it etc one rule your out of your house high your in for 25 years hard labor next time life at hard labor I think folks have the absolute right to be self destructive. But a high munchie run is endangering others. | ||
| Sifo |
But would any of that happened if it weren't illegal? I imagine not, but I live in this world. BTW, I wouldn't stand in the way of a rational move to legalize it. The "medicinal pot" movement is not the way to get it done right and I don't support that sort of dishonest legislation. | ||
| Sifo |
You know I don't get the term freedom. I mean we are supposed to be free here in the USA but there is so many things we are not free to do so how are we free? case in point in the USA we are supposed to be able to bear arms right? Yet I dare some one to walk down the street carrying the gun of their choice and not get the cops called on them. If we are free then why can't the people in question sell a plant of their choice that people want to buy? if we are free then why is there so many dumb laws that make no sense? So again I say what is this freedom you guys speak of because I think I am confused as to what it is. Firebolt, I don't want to get too insulting here (I may have also missed an attempt at humor too) but what you've said has really been troubling me. I agree that the second amendment right have been trampled upon, and that is plain wrong. Much beyond that comparing the oppression that exists in the world with our laws on pot is really sounds trivial. Is that really what you think of when you think of freedom? | ||
| Xl1200r |
The same applies to tobacco. How many people you know growing their own? I beg to disagree. For most marijuana users, the amount of pot that would be in a pack of marijuana cigarettes would last a LONG time. How many cigarettes are in a pack (I really don't know) 30? Of the people that I know that smoke, that would last on the order of months, not a day like a cigarette smoker. The reason people don't grow their own tobacco is less for the convenience and more for the sheer volume they'd need to support their habit. Oh and if you think its not a gateway drug your stoned already. Do you honestly think that pot is a gateway drug, or maybe just perhaps that people who are already predisposed to drug use just happen to start with it because it's cheap, easy to find, etc? I know I've read of studies which indicate that, where pot is legal, there's not a higher instance of harder drug use in the population. one rule your out of your house high your in for 25 years hard labor next time life at hard labor Jesus Christ, you act like people get stoned and go on shooting sprees 100% of the time or something. Being high warrants 25 years in prison, but being drunk out of your house is okay? Are you insane? I'm not advocating driving while high, as that's still driving while intoxicated... but on that note, I'm willing to bet more people drive over-tired than high and they're at least as dangerous. Should they get 25 years on the first offense? I'm sorry you had such a bad experience with it, second hand or otherwise, but your position is without base. | ||
| Danger_dave |
Earthquake bummer.  | ||
| Daves |
Ken I'm sorry about your ex and her family. I would like to hear how pot(pot itself, not pot laws or other drugs) destroyed them. I understand if you don't want to talk about it. 25 years for a DUI on pot? would it be the same punishment for drunken DUI? Life for the 2nd offense? For both? There would be a shitload of people doing 25 to life if that was the case. I actually think that after a year or two of legal pot, the number of users, especially new users would go down. Part of the appeal, to some, IS that it's illegal. You know, that rebel against authority thing teens are into and always have been. If it was legal it would be no big deal to them. Of course, then they may try harder stuff that was still illegal? | ||
| Fresnobuell |
LEGALIZE IT for CHRIST SAKE. What is the difference between drinking a six pack or few hits of weed? lock up the people who should be locked up. I love people who look down on pot smokers but then get wasted on alcohol on a regular basis. Hypocrites. | ||
| Drkside79 |
The whole gateway drug label irritates me. How many people really smoke pot first. I had a cig and a drink way before i smoked pot. Should i blame those for my pot days? Should i also blame them for using Acid and X and Shrooms, when i was younger. Hell no I was a teen who just plain and simple enjoyed seeing things and feeling good. | ||
| Drkside79 |
>>>>>>I love people who look down on pot smokers but then get wasted on alcohol on a regular basis. Hypocrites. +1 | ||
| Pammy |
DD, that is a very sobering photo. I have never smoked pot(or done any drugs for that matter) in my life, but I agree with the side that thinks it should be legalized. I think that sucking dirty smoke into your lungs on purpose is just plain stupid anyway. And ponder this...You have children and you smoke pot in the house (closed up)with those children, the second hand smoke gets the children high, as well as pollutes their young under developed lungs...is that okay as well? For the record, I don't think smoking pot, for an individual, is any more wrong than drinking. One of the activities is a bit more difficult to keep to yourself. Driving, working, etc...while under the influence of any mind altering substance should remain illegal. | ||
| Xl1200r |
And ponder this...You have children and you smoke pot in the house (closed up)with those children, the second hand smoke gets the children high, as well as pollutes their young under developed lungs...is that okay as well? You can't get a contact high from pot. I lived with two guys in college who would smoke in the one's very small bedroom all the time and I'd hang out with them, not partaking. You could hardly see the television there was so much smoke. I never once felt high. However, secondhand smoke isn't good for anyone, especially those that don't want it, but unless you want to make it a crime to smoke cigarettes in your home around children (I wouldn't argue that) it's really no different, and in fact likely much better as cigarettes are full of tar, added chemicals and smoked much more often by that those that do. | ||
| Drkside79 |
By the way those who want the fun without the smoke they could try a Volcano Vaporizer or something similar. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
You can't get a contact high from pot. I lived with two guys in college who would smoke in the one's very small bedroom all the time and I'd hang out with them, not partaking. You could hardly see the television there was so much smoke. I never once felt high. that my friend is 420% WRONG!!  I be you "at least" slept well that night. (Message edited by xdigitalx on February 25, 2011) | ||
| Kenm123t |
DUI s should be handled the same way as pot DUIs its not about the drug its the lack of responsible behavior. It you want a behavior avoided make the penalty high. Alchohol and smoking tobacco products are as destructive as any other drug. Self destruction is ok with me knock your self out in your home. In public or endangering others is where the line is drawn. On a lighter note think of how few congressman senators and government workers we would have to pay if we had a real drug test for employment. I can see by the posts how many folks are prodrug self abuse. | ||
| Drkside79 |
The problem is that congress is against pot but painkillers are A OK | ||
| Kenm123t |
Dave drug abuse is slow suicide pot smokers drugs etc are a way of avoiding problems by feeling better. They infact create more problems than they solve. I caught my dope smoking B in law dealing coke out of my house while I was out working to pay for his pot habit. His excuse well the ( ex ) gets some coke to treat her friends with. He still remembers me every breath he takes | ||
| Reindog |
Pot was a gateway to playing video games to interest in how they worked to studying engineering to earning a masters degree in engineering to becoming an engineer who designs computer chips that can deliver video games. (Of course, I am not writing about myself as I would NEVER consider doing anything illegal.  ) Yes, it is a gateway. Drinking beer is a gateway to going to the bathroom. | ||
| Xl1200r |
that my friend is 420% WRONG!! My bad, you're right, my first hand experience must have been wrong. I've been high, I know what it feels like. Take your ill-informed vendetta elsewhere. Dave drug abuse is slow suicide pot smokers drugs etc are a way of avoiding problems by feeling better. Substance abuse is substance abuse, doesn't matter if it's pot, booze, crack or deep fried oreos - they'll all mess you up. But drawing a line that someone would only get high to feel better and avoid some kind of problem? I'd try not using such a broad brush. Not everyone who has a drink is an alcoholic, and alcohol does a lot more, IMO, to alter your mood and behavior than pot does. | ||
| Drkside79 |
I just don't like Pot and Acid Low threat being involved with high threat drugs like Coke H and Meth. There is a BIG difference | ||
| Xdigitalx |
Of course...so your in a marwawanna smoke filled small bedroom with 2 other guys (video games i hope) and you think it didn't effect you at all.... not one bit... not trace of THC in your system at all ...no trace of it? That's why they call it DOPE. (Unless you were in it for less than 3 mins) | ||
| Xl1200r |
Dude, are you for real? When you inhale and hold it, even for a couple seconds, the smoke that then comes out of your mouth contains nearly no THC anymore, your body has absorbed it. But, even if that weren't true, I suppose you'd argue that taking a dose of cough medicine, and having that trace of alcohol in you would leave you so messed up that you'd throw up, beat your wife and pass out. I don't know what your experience with the stuff is, but I can just about be certain that either you don't have all the facts, it was atypical, or both. |
