| Author | Message | ||
     Sifo |
When a local gangs decides that she is treading on their pot sales, you can rest assured that her kids are in danger. Just as stupid as sailing your yacht into pirate infested waters. Sheep will be sheep. | ||
| Swampy |
Obviously they had a COURT APPOINTED ATTORNEY! Remember that, ALL ATTORNEYS ARE OFFICERS OF THE COURT! DO NOT TRUST ANY ATTORNEYS THEY WILL, LIE, CHEAT, STEAL TO SAFE GUARD THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE COURT! They have no interest in your best interest! It is ALL about the money. Follow the money. May God have mercy on America! Do I need to repeat myself? | ||
| Paint_shaker |
">>>>>>There is a difference between smoking pot or drinking beer recreationaly or SMOKING CIGARETTES around kids in your home ..... and dealing/selling/doing drugs in the presence of babies, children, or kids. Is there? Which endangers the kids the sale or the use?" The difference is there is no law prohibiting drinking alcohol or smoking cigarettes in front of a child. On the other hand smoking/ possessing/ dealing weed is ILLEGAL in front of a child or not. | ||
| Paint_shaker |
"Per capita, America jails more of its citizens than any country in the world. With little to show for it." We have this thing called freedom. EVERYONE is privy to freedom. However, along with freedom comes responsibilty. Not everyone is responsible. Those not responsible for their freedom will have it taken away (ie; commit a crime, pay the price). | ||
| Sifo |
"Per capita, America jails more of its citizens than any country in the world. With little to show for it." I don't know if that is true or not, but there are ways of dealing with this that doesn't require jails. I recently had a video sent to me on how China deals with drug dealers. I wish they had warned me that it graphically showed people lined up being shot at point blank range with a rifle. It was quite disturbing seeing people crying for their life one second and laying on the ground missing everything from the nose up the next. If anyone would like to see how to not jail drug dealers just send me a PM. | ||
| Sifo |
I just had a somewhat related conversation with my wife. A family friend just had his son arrested for safe cracking about two weeks ago. Federal crime, he's in pretty deep. My wife goes back to a conversation we had many years ago with our sister-in-law. Basically the sis-in-law said she didn't want the parents of the safe cracker to be on their land because they openly smoked dope around the kids. I'm not saying that there's a direct cause and effect relationship here, but when you teach your kids that it's OK to break the law it just might make it more likely to earn a federal rap sheet at age 19. Victimless crime? | ||
| Sportyeric |
Back to the danger to the kids from the gangsters. Kinda like the dangers of wearing a miniskirt when there's rapists around. If dealing a nickel bag is worth ten years, what is the potential penalty to the gangsters for endangering the kids by robbing the dealer with a gun? Its WAY out of proportion. We have this thing called making the punishment fit the crime. Also concepts like rehabilitation. Any harm to the children from mom selling weed pales in comparison to their perception of an unjust society, to be deprived of their mother during the formative years. And you wonder why American society is breaking down. | ||
| Bigblock |
per capita BS. America has the highest outright prison population of any nation on Earth. Drinking and prescription drugs for anything these days, OK. If you're a politician, coke and whores, too. Pot, hell, lock em up. We can always build more prisons. If we lock everybody up, who the heck is going to pay the prison guards? You have got to be kidding me, the land of the free? Pull your heads out people! | ||
| Firebolt020283 |
You know I don't get the term freedom. I mean we are supposed to be free here in the USA but there is so many things we are not free to do so how are we free? case in point in the USA we are supposed to be able to bear arms right? Yet I dare some one to walk down the street carrying the gun of their choice and not get the cops called on them. If we are free then why can't the people in question sell a plant of their choice that people want to buy? if we are free then why is there so many dumb laws that make no sense? So again I say what is this freedom you guys speak of because I think I am confused as to what it is. Don't get me wrong I think there should be laws and stuff but I really think all of the law books should be taken and ripped up and start them from scratch and people look for one minute and say how is certain things harmful to others? how is someone selling or smoking a plant in the privacy of their home harming any one? I mean did those women harm any of you guys downing them for doing it in any way? Sounds to me like they were just trying to make a dollar. I think the stuff should be legalized so it can A. be taxed therefor make the government more money and B lower the population in the prison system lowering the cost to the government. Do I personally do the stuff? No I haven't in many years but it does not mean I think it is bad in any way I just choose not to do it any more. | ||
| Littlebuggles |
You know what gets me is that they write it like that's all she did. If she was supplying drugs to the cop, she was selling to a whole bunch of others as well. The crime she was caught for and what she's actually committed (without ever getting caught) are two different things. Think about it. How many times a week, or even a day do you speed, or just roll through a stop sign. Now how many times have you been caught doing it. Do you that are on the criminal's side here really believe she only ever sold a little bit of pot to a cop? They wouldn't have even been looking at her if the problem didn't already exist. | ||
| Firebolt020283 |
now don't get my post twisted I am not for or against her. I see both sides. On one side I see some one who broke the law and is going to jail for it. on the other side I think it is a stupid law which is causing a child to loose its mother for 10 years and costing tax payers the money to support that woman for 10 years when in reality all she was doing is trying to support her self. | ||
| Blake |
The mother is responsible for losing custody of her child. She chose to deal in an illegal substance. Choices have consequences. She should have taken the plea bargain. She shouldn't have had pot on her as she was going to prison. The woman is not an asset to society from what I can see. I could be wrong. If we don't like the law, then we should change it. Otherwise, it must be enforced. Otherwise we become a tyranny of judges enforcing only those laws which they personally feel like supporting. That would be unacceptable. | ||
| Reducati |
" If we are so free, then why..." cant i yell fire in a crowded theather?  | ||
| Xl1200r |
Constitutional amendment to ban booze, stroke of the pen to ban pot. Something doesn't add up. Technically, pot isn't illegal, you just need a stamp in order to have it. Oh yeah, to this day they haven't printed a single stamp. I don't know if that is true or not, but there are ways of dealing with this that doesn't require jails. I recently had a video sent to me on how China deals with drug dealers. This violates so many laws on so many levels it's not even funny. Let alone the fact that capital punishment is a SERIOUS thing, and while I'm not against it, I shudder to think about the number of people we have convicted and sentenced that weren't guilty. Its WAY out of proportion. We have this thing called making the punishment fit the crime. I told this story to my girlfriend last night and her immediate response was, "What the hell. I personally know someone to molested someone else and got 18 months. How does that work?" Do you that are on the criminal's side here really believe she only ever sold a little bit of pot to a cop? Not coming out on her side, per se, but someone who does an $11 drug deal is not running a major distribution ring with sales in the thousands. Blake, I'm with you on that last point you made. } | ||
| Daves |
The way I think this went down is the "authorities" were after a bigger fish. They intentionally target a female with children, dealing small amounts. They bust her and threaten jail time/loss of children to get her to rat out the bigger fish. When she didn't(good for her in my mind, nobody likes a rat) they threw the book at her. As far as the statement "pot never killed anyone" that is not true. I'm sure some people have been killed in accidents caused by them being stoned. Of course that would be a small number compared to how many people have died because pot is illegal. Just like the people that got gunned down during prohibition of alcohol. Make something that people want, illegal and that's what happens. This country has spent billions and more billions of our dollars on the "war on drugs" yet drug use remains constant? The prisons are full of people that don't really belong there. Doesn't seem to be working very well? When the sentence for selling 30.00 worth of pot is about the same as for manslaughter something don't smell right. | ||
| Xl1200r |
Daves, when someone who is stoned gets in an accident and kills someone, it's the accident that killed them, not the pot. The same is true if someone is drunk. Semantics, maybe, but that's how it needs to be looked at. Making pot legal wouldn't change anything about laws regarding driving while intoxicated. The main point was that nobody has ever overdosed on pot, and any links to cancer are inconclusive at best. The same can't be said for booze or cigarettes. Anyways, let's be honest, when you get high the last thing you want to do is go driving. You'd rather just sit on the couch. | ||
| Hootowl |
Dave, are you "soft on drugs"? Because that's the label that will be put on you should you ever advocate any sort of rational thinking about the "war on drugs". This is why we have mandatory sentences for drug possession and none for murder, and why we parole the rapists and murderers when the prisons fill up and leave the pot smoker in jail. It is insane. | ||
| Daves |
Yep, label me as "soft on drugs". But, then also label me as rational and a live and let live kind of guy. The past 30-50 years of having drugs illegal has not worked. All the war on drugs has and will be is a cash cow for the agencies involved, with OUR money. The Gov will never let go of that unless the people, you know, the people(us) that they are supposed to represent, force them to by majority vote. Pretty sure that money could've been better spent? Can I get a refund of the portion of my taxes that went to their failed efforts? There are millions of otherwise law abiding people that burn one to unwind, just like the millions that have a beer or two. I just don't see the big difference? Maybe we should throw everyone that has ever even tried pot in jail? That would only be about 90% of the population alive. | ||
| 2008xb12scg |
she put her kids in danger. That's bad, say what you will but people get killed and shyt happens when you deal, even pot. Did she deserve 10 years, maybe not , but I wouldn't give up the big fish either. Might have saved her kids life by not being a rat. } | ||
| Hootowl |
Imagine what would happen to the warren of gang banging drug dealers if you could buy weed at walmart. Drug users will use drugs. Where they buy them is the only question. Regulate it, tax it. There's no reason the drug trade can't be a profit center for the government instead of a black hole we throw money in to. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
When did you ever hear of pot smoker pulled over or involved in an accident or any incident volunteering any information about what they took that day? They can get away with it easier because it is much less detectable. Pot smokers are extremely secretive. Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean it isn't happening. hense the quote: "I may be dumb, but at least I am not Stupid". | ||
| Daves |
I agree, doing or dealing drugs with your kids around is not right. Just like getting drunk in front of your kids or driving them home after having a few beers but people do that every day too. I have seen it,many times. As far as her putting her kids in danger, not sure I agree with that. When's the last time you heard about someone going into a pot dealing house and killing anyone? Not sure if I ever have? You? Sure it's possible but not likely. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
I guess you didn't hear about the woman that chased her roomate around the house with a knife...because her girlscout cookies were missing??? ROTFL! | ||
| Daves |
then by all means, let's make Girlscout cookies illegal! Man, that would suck, I like their cookies and just ordered 12 boxes a couple weeks ago. I hope they get here before the new law passes. I can eat them before th cops show up. | ||
| Daves |
Man, I'd probably get the chair cause that's about 50.00 worth of illegal cookies | ||
| Blake |
>>> Anyways, let's be honest, when you get high the last thing you want to do is go driving. I remember seeing guys in college toking it up then piling into a car and heading to Taco Bell or the like to satisfy their craving for food. I tend to agree with DaveS and Hoot. Legalize it and regulate it like alcohol, win, win, win. Why not? There may be good reasons. I'm just not familiar with them. | ||
| Xl1200r |
Ever look at the nutritional info for a box of Tagalongs? Girl Scout cookies are certainly more harmful than pot, lol. Blake - I suppose you're right, substances effect everyone differently, even alcohol. I'm known by many people as the "happiest drunk they know" - I think Doerman might even attest to that. But that doesn't mean some people just cry when they drink or slap their wife around... Not going to make much money on taxation, I don't think, but you would save a TON in law enforcement, legal and jail costs. | ||
| Blake |
>>> Not going to make much money on taxation, I don't think. How much does Big Brother pull in on booze and tobacco taxes? Billions I imagine. Not going to make much money? Technically I agree, since taxes don't make money, just transfer it. It will likely generate significant tax revenue. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
I guess all the potheads won't care that the taxes they pay are going to fund the military? | ||
| 2008xb12scg |
When's the last time you heard about someone going into a pot dealing house and killing anyone Pot is big money. Deal it in the wrong territory and somebody will get hurt. Maybe pot smokers don't get violent, but mess with a dealers money buy selling in his territory bad things can happen. I've lived in some bad spots and dealers that deal don't care that it's only pot. |
