| Author | Message | ||
     Drkside79 |
I don't care how much they had it's just pot. Why do we pay for the sale of a drug that is for the most part harmless. Here are the 2008 costs for a prisoner in OK Costs vary per category of offender as follows: (2008 actual expenditures) maximum $70.04, medium $56.10, minimum $54.32, community $56.13, work center $43.16. Lets go with the medium 56.10 x 365 = $20,476.50 x 10 = $204,765 Great way to spend money. What a joke!!!!! | ||
| Drkside79 |
Yeah fine on the harsh punishment around kids but then equally harsh crimes should be directed towards those who drink or smoke cigs around kids. BTW i drink on occasion and smoke cigs. On another note my dismay does not extend to hard drugs coke, H, Meth ect. | ||
| Drkside79 |
People I know have kids and smoke pot. None of them at any time do it in front of their kids. They all go to work go home take care of their lives then put the kids to bed and have a J. Terrible people... | ||
| Blake |
>>> I don't care how much they had it's just pot. Recognizing that there are serious issues to be considered, I might tend to agree, but until the LAW is changed... well, are we a nation of laws or not. Choose carefully. As far as the prison costs go, I'm with Sheriff Joe. Put 'em in a tent. | ||
| Sayitaintso |
Blake I agree with you, I think. The law is what it is, and as such should be enforced, but enforce it consistently and evenly. As for the jails/prisons, shelter from the elements, plenty of water, and three squares is good enough. Whether the law should be what it currently is, is another question. I tend to regard pot along the same lines a booze. IMO they are both bad, but is the societal cost of enforcing a prohibition worth it? | ||
| Swordsman |
I don't buy the "just trying to make a little extra". That sounds like an attempt to be seen as a struggling victim of poor finances, yet she got caught with MORE weed on the day she was taken to jail. Man, talk about DUMB. Yes, I believe I WILL pass a bit-o-judgement there.  ~SM | ||
| Hootowl |
"IMO they are both bad, but is the societal cost of enforcing a prohibition worth it?" I tend to think that, no, it isn't. Constitutional amendment to ban booze, stroke of the pen to ban pot. Something doesn't add up. Children, drugs are bad, mkay? We all know it, people still do it. You're obviously not going to stop them by locking up the 1% of people that get caught. I am tired of paying $30k a year to lock up a non violent drug user. I want the police to go after the rapists and murderers and stop wasting their time and my money on a personal choice issue that wouldn't be an issue if it were legal. Drugs users will use drugs. Locking them up only takes their poor decision, and makes me pay for it. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
There is a difference between smoking pot or drinking beer recreationaly or SMOKING CIGARETTES around kids in your home ..... and dealing/selling/doing drugs in the presence of babies, children, or kids. Especially when they are helping you to deal/sell them. W T F. | ||
| Drkside79 |
>>>>>>There is a difference between smoking pot or drinking beer recreationaly or SMOKING CIGARETTES around kids in your home ..... and dealing/selling/doing drugs in the presence of babies, children, or kids. Is there? Which endangers the kids the sale or the use? | ||
| Swordsman |
Uh, Drk, I'd say BOTH.  ~SM | ||
| Xdigitalx |
I just don't know what to say man... other than I think the cigarette smoking laws should let facilities allow smoking if they choose to. If she was smoking a joint or a cigarette in her home near her kid... I could care less... but she was DEALING DRUGS. I wonder if she or the mother had a gun for protection?? | ||
| Sayitaintso |
If she was smoking a joint or a cigarette in her home near her kid... I could care less... but she was DEALING DRUGS. Granted (not sure 30 bucks worth should be considered "dealing" in the sense that most of us think of, but thats another part of the discussion) IF pot was legal though, this wouldn't be a story the kids would have their mother at home (as worthless as that may or may not be) and it wouldn't cost you/me/joe taxpayer 250K to incarcerate her for the next ten years. | ||
| Drkside79 |
Uh sword I would say that I would do none of the above in front of my kids. I just don't get some peoples reaction is all. Cigs kill thousands so does Alcohol Pot kills nobody In all honesty thats not really the point either. The point is as said earlier Thats a lot of money time and resources to be spent on a non violent (and i use this with a roll of the eyes) crime. I would rather that 20,000 a year be spent on homicides investigation or rape counseling or teachers or roads or police dogs or an extra policeman. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
Maybe the mother (and the kid) could have eventually learned from the grandmother... then upgraded the dealing from pot to crack? Everyone knows thats where the money is. Maybe the kid...could get all their friends to help too!! | ||
| Drkside79 |
Well then when they went to crack arrest them. And anyone else involved! | ||
| Xdigitalx |
pot have never killed anyone? What going on down in mexico?? | ||
| Drkside79 |
Then legalize it here and cut off the sales market for the cartel. It would i would imagine hurt there cash flow quite a bit. If pot can be grown here by people and by the government there would be no need to import the brown frown from the cartels in Mexico. See the bootleggers of the prohibition era for details on that discussion. | ||
| Reducati |
" Pot kills nobody "....ummm WOW!! | ||
| Drkside79 |
Fine nobody was a strong statement. How about far less. Oh and by the way I stopped smoking Pot years ago. Would i if it was legal. Of course i would. On occasion in the same manner i participate in alcohol. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
if pot was legal... what will the (now criminal dealers) do? will they find another drug to deal? Go legit? or start a business? a pot franchise? what will happen to the real die hard criminals? They will move to other substances... more will carry guns | ||
| Xdigitalx |
pot makes you freaking S T U P I D. PERIOD!!! rotfl... Now..go get that bag of chips will ya!!! | ||
| Drkside79 |
I don't like chips. I don't smoke anymore and I am far from stupid. Foolish sure stupid no. | ||
| 01_turbowolf |
my question is how many people have you heard of getting alcohol poisoning and dying. a lot here in oklahoma thats why all of the universities are dry campuses now. now many cases of marijuana poisoning have you heard of, i havent, ever, maybe allergic reaction but people have died from peanut alergies so i dont count that, unless you want to make peanuts illegal. Think of all the money being sent to the cartels and so on for pot right now. think about how much money could be kept right here from the cultivation and sales of marijuana within our own borders. and the setup they have in california is extremely legit. every batch is tested by third party labs, everyone involved goes through rigorous background checks, and some insurances pay for it. might have to move there im getting migraines. did you know osbi (oklahomas bureau) assigns about 17 violent crimes to each detective per year and will assign 5 det. to 1 drug case. hmm thats a good use of resources huh. | ||
| Sifo |
Granted (not sure 30 bucks worth should be considered "dealing" in the sense that most of us think of, but thats another part of the discussion) One of the stories I read on this mentioned that the mother turned down a plea deal, but plead guilty hoping for a light sentence because of it being a first offense. She didn't count on the harsh sentence of endangering her kid apparently. There's a lot unsaid in all of that though. Pleading guilty after turning down the plea deal has got to mean that they were unwilling to give up their supplier. It certainly isn't about a single $30 pot sale. If you are unwilling to work with the law when you get busted, you can expect the law to treat you more harshly. When you get pulled over by a cop for 10 over the limit, do you play nice, or be belligerent? It can make a huge difference. This is no different. Personally I can live with pot being legal, but it isn't. I stopped smoking pot many years ago largely, simply because it dawned on me that the potential down side was much worse than any potential upside. Looking back, I'm far better off for having made that decision than I would have been had I continued through life stoned. | ||
| Sifo |
did you know osbi (oklahomas bureau) assigns about 17 violent crimes to each detective per year and will assign 5 det. to 1 drug case. That statement is completely without meaning. If you can't see that, then you need to set the bong aside. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
Drk, I was in no way calling anyone actually stupid,... especially you, I respect your opinion... besides..you said your self you dont smoke anymore.... lol | ||
| Sifo |
One of my brother's stoner buddies always used the phrase "let's get stupid" to mean let's smoke a joint. I never saw anyone try to correct him on that phrase. It fits quite well. | ||
| Boltrider |
She was putting her kids in danger, big danger, by selling it if front of them. Somebody could come to her house to buy, then decide to rob her of all her pot, at gunpoint and in front of her kids. This particular crime didn't have any of that, but every time a buyer came to her house she was taking such a risk. | ||
| Brumbear |
I'm indifferent 10 years is excessive but hey what are ya gonna do? Appeal if you can. As far as legalizing drugs go ahead , I never met a drug addict couldn't get drugs when they wanted em money was an issue not the drugs. As far as pot smoking well has anyone seen me the last thing I need is to eat and think more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
| Sportyeric |
If she was selling gold jewelry out of her house, someone could have pulled a gun and robbed her. Or is the argument that sommeone buying five bucks worth of pot is likely a violent criminal? And are the kids victimized? What is the sentence for a drunk who hits his wife or child. Stoned to death, I hope. Per capita, America jails more of its citizens than any country in the world. With little to show for it. This story rates right up with cutting off the hands of the thieves. Barbaric and pointless. |
