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Fresnobuell
| | Posted on Friday, February 25, 2011 - 07:31 pm: | 
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Sifo,
People are self-destructive. It's a fact. People have been drinking alcohol almost since the dawn of time. People have been smoking pot for almost as long. Opium has been around for how many years?
As much as it might benefit society as a whole, drugs and booze will never go away. They tried it during Prohibition. That was a dismal failure.
You act like if the government makes a law people will abide by it. And you made the comment about my college buddy somehow being better than the rest because he chose his "legal" drug alcohol over the "illicit" drug marijuana.
When are people going to finally admit the war against drugs HAS BEEN LOST. It really wasn't never a winnable war, but hey we gave it a shot.
How much money do we have to plunge into the war against drugs and how many more have to die?
Can you imagine the effect on the drug cartels?
Time for the DEA to man up, admit we can't win this and legalize/regulate the shit. |
Johnnylunchbox
| | Posted on Friday, February 25, 2011 - 07:44 pm: |
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http://www.zmescience.com/other/9-reasons-why-ther e-wasnt-stress-in-the-good-old-days-000007/ |
Fresnobuell
| | Posted on Friday, February 25, 2011 - 07:45 pm: |
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Legalize prostitution while you are at it. I still can't believe the gov't tells a person can't have sex for money. People have have sex for any other reason in the book, but it can't involve money. That law might be the biggest joke of 'em all. |
Sifo
| | Posted on Friday, February 25, 2011 - 07:49 pm: |
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Sifo,
People are self-destructive. It's a fact. People have been drinking alcohol almost since the dawn of time. People have been smoking pot for almost as long. Opium has been around for how many years?
As much as it might benefit society as a whole, drugs and booze will never go away. They tried it during Prohibition. That was a dismal failure.
You act like if the government makes a law people will abide by it. And you made the comment about my college buddy somehow being better than the rest because he chose his "legal" drug alcohol over the "illicit" drug marijuana.
When are people going to finally admit the war against drugs HAS BEEN LOST. It really wasn't never a winnable war, but hey we gave it a shot.
How much money do we have to plunge into the war against drugs and how many more have to die?
Can you imagine the effect on the drug cartels?
Time for the DEA to man up, admit we can't win this and legalize/regulate the shit.
No doubt many folks are self destructive. That point isn't in question at all.
I don't see where I'm acting like people will abide by the law. I don't have much of an issue with them paying the price when they choose to break the law though. I'm not clear what points you are trying to make with any of this.
Your college buddy WAS being better than the rest because he WASN'T breaking the law. Is that really so difficult to understand. It doesn't make his behavior desirable, but at least it wasn't illegal.
So should we give up on making all drugs illegal? The debate on what should be legal and what should be illegal will continue forever. There will always be disagreement. Care to elaborate to make a point?
I can imagine the effect on drug cartels. They will simply move on to other profitable illegal activities. The product will change, not the behavior.
Is the essence of your argument that it should be legal simply because people will break the law? Do I really need to provide the absurd analogies to demonstrate the fallacy of this logic? |
Sifo
| | Posted on Friday, February 25, 2011 - 07:52 pm: |
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Legalize prostitution while you are at it. I still can't believe the gov't tells a person can't have sex for money. People have have sex for any other reason in the book, but it can't involve money. That law might be the biggest joke of 'em all.
Funny you bring that up. I just heard last night that Harry Reid is talking about making prostitution illegal in Vegas. Those damn Republicans!  |
Fresnobuell
| | Posted on Friday, February 25, 2011 - 08:10 pm: |
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Is the essence of your argument that it should be legal simply because people will break the law?
If the law in unenforceable, then that law is meaningless. That's my point.
Meanwhile we can blow billions of dollars, witness countless people die, watch the crime rate skyrocket and put mothers in prison just so the righteous in the Country can fight the good fight!
We obviously have a disagreement on the value/importance of the law. I personally think I can live me life better than some legislators trying to do it for me. Remember, a rebellious streak founded this great country of ours.
You never answered the question of whether you speed on the roadway. BTW.
People can't seem to grasp the idea that we've lost the drug war. Why continue to fight a battle that is lost? That's insane.
Would it not be smarter to formulate a plan to legalize the drugs and effectively destroy the huge profit involved?
Yeah, that's a radical concept.
It's not a panacea, but it's a hell of a lot better than what we have got now. |
Fresnobuell
| | Posted on Friday, February 25, 2011 - 08:13 pm: |
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I just heard last night that Harry Reid is talking about making prostitution illegal in Vegas.
I believe prostitution is already illegal in Vegas, however it is legal in some Nevada counties. |
2008xb12scg
| | Posted on Friday, February 25, 2011 - 08:29 pm: |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detail page&v=VCDnR6Px-co |
Sifo
| | Posted on Friday, February 25, 2011 - 08:33 pm: |
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If the law in unenforceable, then that law is meaningless. That's my point.
Meanwhile we can blow billions of dollars, witness countless people die, watch the crime rate skyrocket and put mothers in prison just so the righteous in the Country can fight the good fight!
We obviously have a disagreement on the value/importance of the law. I personally think I can live me life better than some legislators trying to do it for me. Remember, a rebellious streak founded this great country of ours.
You never answered the question of whether you speed on the roadway. BTW.
People can't seem to grasp the idea that we've lost the drug war. Why continue to fight a battle that is lost? That's insane.
Would it not be smarter to formulate a plan to legalize the drugs and effectively destroy the huge profit involved?
Yeah, that's a radical concept.
It's not a panacea, but it's a hell of a lot better than what we have got now.
I didn't see where I was asked about speeding. Sure I've been know to speed. It would be a pretty easy task to show that more people speed than smoke dope. If you are being consistent in your argument then I can only conclude that you are in favor of eliminating any speed limit laws. True?
Are you willing to address any of the issues I raised when asked? |
Sifo
| | Posted on Friday, February 25, 2011 - 08:55 pm: |
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OK, I just found where I was asked about speeding. I missed that entire post.
Are you sure? You quoted my post. You may have missed that part.
As far as I can tell, it's from Blake's post above.
It's been brought up numerous times at this point. You may have missed that part.
Must have. haven't read all the pages of this thread.
BTW, your college buddy has a valid point in that what he was doing was at least legal. There is a difference.
Yeah, there's a difference. He was and still is brainwashed to believe the government knows whats best for you and me. I will determine what's best for me, thank you very much and if that breaks some laws--so be it.
So Sifo, sounds to me like you partied, realized you had an addictive personality and now have flipped to the opposite side in an extreme way. Trying to impose your moral values on the rest of us doesn't work. Legalizing pot will not force you to pick up the habit again...
Question: do you ride your motorcycle the speed limit?
I've just answered the speeding part.
As for who you quoted it was my February 25, 2011 - 02:07 pm: post that you quoted. Go check.
If I had an addictive personality I would have been in deep trouble. I was able to easily walk away from it. For that I'm very thankful. That, unfortunately isn't the case for everyone.
One more thing on the speeding thing though. When I'm caught, I accept the consequence as my actions breaking the law. I hope you are willing to do the same on drug laws. How about for the 3 generation drug dealer household?
Also regardless of your college buddy's beliefs on the law, he wasn't the one breaking the law. There is a real difference. It's like blaming someone who isn't speeding for the speeders. It just lacks any sense. |
Fresnobuell
| | Posted on Friday, February 25, 2011 - 09:00 pm: |
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I didn't see where I was asked about speeding. Sure I've been know to speed. It would be a pretty easy task to show that more people speed than smoke dope. If you are being consistent in your argument then I can only conclude that you are in favor of eliminating any speed limit laws. True?
So you are selective on the laws you follow. In my book that makes you hypocritical for condemning the pot smoker for breaking the law.
While I believe speed limits are artificially low, and believe they should be increased--especially for motorcycles--I don't think the speed limit laws should be abolished.
a) This involves the safety of others.
b) It's a completely different issue with completely different dynamics and the analogy between speeding and drugs doesn't work. I know you are smart enough to realize this. |
Sifo
| | Posted on Friday, February 25, 2011 - 09:10 pm: |
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So you are selective on the laws you follow. In my book that makes you hypocritical for condemning the pot smoker for breaking the law.
I've condemned no one. I do expect people to accept the consequences of their actions though.
I've addressed safety issues with pot use already. You have not offered any rebuttal, but now chose to ignore it. |
Fresnobuell
| | Posted on Friday, February 25, 2011 - 09:15 pm: |
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Also regardless of your college buddy's beliefs on the law, he wasn't the one breaking the law. There is a real difference. It's like blaming someone who isn't speeding for the speeders.
There is only a real difference if you care about the law, are a cop or one of those self righteous SOBs.
Like I said, I choose to live my life. I feel sorry for anyone who lets the gov't dictate their existence. |
Sifo
| | Posted on Friday, February 25, 2011 - 09:24 pm: |
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I hope you will graciously accept the consequences of ignoring the law. I take it from your above statement that you don't care about the law. I do. The law is what it is, complete with consequences. I don't see where that makes me a self righteous SOB however. I'm not making any moral judgments here other than a law breaker is is not on the same standing as one who isn't breaking the law. That applies equally to all, myself included. |
Skinstains
| | Posted on Friday, February 25, 2011 - 09:55 pm: |
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METH
LEGALIZE IT!!!} |
Sifo
| | Posted on Friday, February 25, 2011 - 10:39 pm: |
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Fresno, answer me this... If you really don't care about the law as you seem to be saying, then why do you care about the law?
I do agree with you that speed limits are artificially low. I would much rather have more realistic speed limits, and enforce them strictly. At least then you would know where you stand.
Skinstains, have you seen what meth does to teeth? Having to see that crap inflicts indecency on all of society. That one MUST remain illegal! |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Friday, February 25, 2011 - 11:15 pm: |
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I can see Sifo's point on that one.
Although that standard of lawmaking is too close to "ban ugly people". A thought I also agree with, but fear would be enforced against me. 
(Message edited by aesquire on February 25, 2011) |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Friday, February 25, 2011 - 11:26 pm: |
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Driving while intoxicated...by anything, is bad. That should be illegal. Duh.
Which drugs we accept in a controlled and rational, (and, always, taxed ) way is certainly a matter of debate.
I'd prefer legalization of several now frowned upon. Oddly, I want some to stay outlaw, and have a hard time rationalizing exactly why. Just gut feeling, based on limited experience with messed up people.
We got drugs. They exist, and most are medicines that are abused. ( counting booze as medicine ) A rational approach to drug policy... needs an attitude against abuse in society, and a learning curve to fix bad choices in how you deal with them. |
Kenm123t
| | Posted on Saturday, February 26, 2011 - 01:59 am: |
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If ugly folks are banned WalMart will go out of business. Oh Sifo Harry Reid is a Democrat As for drugs Ron White said it best " you can't fix stupid"
Brewing unlike pot opium etc is one of the reason mankind flourished Wine yeasts are self limiting to about 15% alcohol by volume. a perfect balance to kill bacteria etc in water. Brewing in general purifies water Brewing and the storing of other foods cheese for example are why civilizations flourished. |
86129squids
| | Posted on Saturday, February 26, 2011 - 03:00 am: |
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Pass the dutchie to which side? |
Sifo
| | Posted on Saturday, February 26, 2011 - 09:23 am: |
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Oh Sifo Harry Reid is a Democrat
I knew I needed a next to that. Humor doesn't translate well in this format. |
Daves
| | Posted on Saturday, February 26, 2011 - 09:54 am: |
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I just got a call from my dealer.
My girlscout cookies are in! I am happy I will get them before the Govt decides to make them illegal.
I hope they didn't do it yesterday without my knowledge? I'll be on the look out for undercover feds following the girl scout to the shop to make the drop |
Kyrocket
| | Posted on Saturday, February 26, 2011 - 10:46 am: |
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Don't call me in! I've got cases and cases in the living room right now waiting to be delivered. |
Daves
| | Posted on Saturday, February 26, 2011 - 11:07 am: |
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They may consider us a cookie cartel and get us under the RICO act |
Kenm123t
| | Posted on Saturday, February 26, 2011 - 11:19 pm: |
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HEY NOW DON T MESS WITH MY THIN MINT CONNECTION ! |
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