| Author | Message | ||
     Glitch |
This thread is goin' to HELL! Th' roof Th' roof Th' roof is on fire we don't need no water... | ||
| Slaughter |
Nothin wrong with the Flat Earthers. The whole thing STARTED right near here in the Antelope Valley. Thought it was a HELLUVA cool excuse to go out, drink some beers, talk about seeing the edge of the world someday... then realized they were SERIOUS. | ||
| Blake |
>>> SO god 'knowing' just means your destiny has been set. You path has already been chosen. It means he can see it. Seeing versus setting are two different things. If you had the ability to transcend space and time and see all, would you be controlling it or simply recognizing it? They are two different actions. Trying to imagine God as limited in space time is what leads to these types of mistaken arguments. It is interesting to think about though. >>> No matter how you want to justify it if someone knows how your whole life is going to play out, is not free-will... No, it just means that they know what is going to happen. They see all. Is the leaf of a tree predestined to be green because you see it so? The parent knowing all too well the nature of his child may know that the child will touch the stove, that doesn't mean the child had no free will to decide otherwise. By the way, I'm not at all sure that I agree with your over-riding premise, that God as manifest in our specific space time universe is precognitive as to every detail of human life. Our existence is not outside of space time. We lead a serial existence. God created the universe and so exists outside space time, he thus sees all. When he did enter within the confines of our serial existence in the form of a man, Jesus Christ, he admitted to not knowing all. What does scripture say on the matter? Do you know or do you just like making up stuff? (Message edited by blake on February 10, 2011) | ||
| Fast1075 |
And Yes WRR, that Is the best version of TNT.  (Message edited by fast1075 on February 10, 2011) | ||
| Fast1075 |
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| Wolfridgerider |
I like it.... but watching the peeps... thats CRAZY!! kids these days..... A good dose of Exodus is in order... TOXIC WALTZ | ||
| Racerx |
Seeing versus setting are two different things SO god is psychic, I thought you jebus freeks didn't believe in such things. I guess all things are possible through gawd! | ||
| Not_purple_s2 |
WRR, I agree. I also think that this version of "Cry Me a River" is better than both the remake and the original. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Toss a coin 1000 times and the likelihood is that there will be 500 heads and 500 tails. I didn't control each flip of the coin, but I know the outcome. | ||
| Superdavetfft |
Are we talking about more invisible friends? Check out this extremely well versed debate for the existence of 'god' hehe http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BCipg71LbI BTW if you care about the truth be careful to fact check what you hear from O'Reilly; Here's a particularly disturbing one .... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0aAVifJqDE | ||
| Superdavetfft |
If you REALLY believe there is an invisible man in the sky watching everyone, everything, at all times, for all time and can actually prove any of it is true I believe you're in for quite the payday; http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.h tml He's had the challenge up for a few decades and NEVER has anyone proven ANYTHING supernatural, god or otherwise, to exist. Kind of speaks for itself doesn't it?  So get to praying for your 'miracle' so you can become a major investor in Erik Buell Racing and get your hands on the next Buell! | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
more crazy crowd stuff.... The Motorhead version got me home from Camp Lejeune more than once | ||
| Blake |
RacerX (Loves Gay Marriage?), You need to enter your actual name in your profile. When asking that you enter your full name, we care not about your desire to marry another man. Just type your name there. A first name at least. "Seeing versus setting are two different things" >>> SO god is psychic, I thought you jebus freeks didn't believe in such things. I guess all things are possible through gawd! Observing is not being psychic. It is merely observing, knowing. Your contributions here have become borderline insulting. Either wise up or lose posting privileges. Capice? (Message edited by blake on February 10, 2011) | ||
| Blake |
Dave, I created an entire topic just for you. Either stick to that or avoid the topic of God. I don't appreciate your refusal to enjoin thoughtful debate while at the same time polluting other threads with your anti-God, anti-Christian, Bible-hating agenda. | ||
| Speedfreaks101 |
IMO "Time" is the issue in which I have a hard time making a decision as to believe in a creator or not. There had to be a "first". A first universe, a first galaxy, a first atom, a first quark, etc. The problem is did it spring forth from nothing all on its own or did it spring forth from nothing with the help of a supernatural being from outside our space time continuum. Now time (aging) did not exist before matter came into existence and even if there are many other universes ultimately there had to be a "first". So by knowing that the God of the creationist is outside of the realm of time then we know that he has always "been" even before time came into existence and that the effects of time do not apply to him . So what was the trigger that brought him to the point to decide that he wanted to create another being for company? With no effect of time how could he be lonely? Now if there is no god then how did something come from nothing without an outside force? What has science not found and what building block will be discovered later in time? I can only hope that one day I can understand better and remove the worry because it is not just a simple decision. Where did the "first" come from? | ||
| 86129squids |
"Jesus is Just Allright" The Doobie Brothers | ||
| Superdavetfft |
hmm.... so Blake, let me get the straight, it's ok for somebody to talk about 'god' as long as YOU agree with what they say but if you disagree you threaten to silence them as with racerx? Is that the key message you're trying to send? If your 'god' is so powerful and you are SO righteous then why are you so threatened by a contrary perspective? I really don't care what your answer is, I'm just calling BS on your little game here... If it's fair for someone to voice an opinion FOR god then it's fair for someone to voice an opinion AGAINST god... If you want to eliminate ALL religious chatter I'd be all for it but that benefits no one. Open and free discussion is the method in which society exchanges ideas, discusses and debates contrary viewpoints and through this process society moves forward and evolves. People who would move to silence others only slow the progress of society. | ||
| Moxnix |
Time is a human invention. People who move to silence Christians only remove the civil from civilization. Thought for the day: To be immortal is commonplace; except for man, all creatures are immortal, for they are ignorant of death; what is divine, terrible, incomprehensible, is to know that one is immortal. ~ Jorge Luis Borges, Argentine poet and essayist (Message edited by moxnix on February 11, 2011) | ||
| Speedfreaks101 |
The word "time" no doubt came from humans but aging we did not create. | ||
| Blake |
Dave, >>> Is that the key message you're trying to send? No. You've horribly misread some pretty simple writing. Not the first time for that though is it?  I took a lot of time to create a topic and multiple subtopics for you to openly and freely debate/support your highly defamatory and degrading comments about God, the Bible, and Christianity. It's there if you want to pursue that course. Run your own web site how you like. If you don't like how this one is run, avoid it. See if congress will let you present your ideas on the record. Why won't they? See if any major newspaper or news organization will publish your commentary. Why won't they? There is a reason why some speech is castigated and rejected by society. Namely it is false, hateful, really insulting or a combination of all three. | ||
| Superdavetfft |
Moxnix; By no means do I wish to silence anyone and I would hope my posts convey that. "If it's fair for someone to voice an opinion FOR god then it's fair for someone to voice an opinion AGAINST god... " I'm merely pointing out that if it is permitted for a person to make a post promoting, or even just discussing, religion then any and all viewpoints on that topic need to be permitted and not threatened with censorship. Quote of the Day Part 2 "I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world, and do not find in our particular superstition (Christianity) one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology." - Thomas Jefferson | ||
| Hootowl |
""I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world, and do not find in our particular superstition (Christianity) one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology." - Thomas Jefferson" BS http://www.monticello.org/site/research-and-collec tions/spurious-quotes | ||
| Moxnix |
Super, perhaps you are exception that proves the rule. Not a bad to be. I expect folks to bash Christians. It gives me an opportunity to defend them. Okay, not all of them. Just the "Christian" Christians. The "cannibal" Christians are one their own. | ||
| Delta_one |
your quote is still debated as to its origin, as is this quote:
but interesting none the less... I wont choose a side on religion but I think some of us should look at this from a different standpoint, religion is not the tripping point, its perspective. conundrum if the billboard saying that religion is a scam a huge insult would a billboard saying that politicians are scam artists or check advance stores are scams or snake oil is a scam be an insult? yes generalizations are being made but at what point does the line be drawn between informing and insulting? but the fact is that one cannot accurately quantify "scam" this is a matter of opinion. I think selling a car with a bad engine is a scam, or the salt and pepper grinders that I bought from bed bath and beyond that were labeled as stainless steel and turned out to be 90% plastic and 10% stainless were a scam. others may not agree. so where is the line in the sand? or is it all a matter of opinion centering around sociological values and ethics that vary per person? how can one logically debate religion with another person not knowing the EXACT sociological standards to which they have been accustomed to? my ethics and values differ from yours, as do the relative values of this country's citizens to another country's, but most individuals values are shaped by the surrounding element in which they are placed to grow. I would say my .02 but that may have been a buck fifty | ||
| Glitch |
What does the collective think of Scientology? | ||
| Blackm2 |
Praise Xenu!!!  | ||
| Glitch |
There's one in every crowd | ||
| Moxnix |
My none collective opine on Scientology is that Tom Cruse stands on a steppie stool to pee in his commode. (Message edited by moxnix on February 11, 2011) | ||
| Blackm2 |
Yea but the step stool is diamond encrusted and the toilet is solid gold. He probably has servants at his waiting next to the toilet to hold and aim it for him too. | ||
| Liquorwhere |
Blake Posted on Thursday, February 10, 2011 - 12:22 pm: -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ >>> If god doesn't know, that means he isn't omnipotent and you can fill in the rest... That is incoherent and illogical. 1. God must me omnipotent. 2. People are not omnipotent. 3. Therefore God is not omnipotent? Huh? That logic don't hunt. Try again? Blake, Actually the "omnipotent vs determinism" argument has been around a while. 1. If God is omnipotent and omniscient then he is all powerful and all knowing. 2. If God is omniscient then he knows your past present and future taking away the third level of evil which is free will. 3. All actions are therefore predetermined: one particular way of characterizing that argument came from William Blake, if you are thrown out a window or pushed out a window you were determined to go out that window and you cannot change your predetermined destiny. 4. If we do not have a predetermined destiny, meaning that God cannot see all your future, THEN God is not omniscient and therefore not omnipotent and therefore not a God. Blake, This is of course a very oversimplified super abridged version of the argument with MANY of the steps from A to B condensed but I will be happy to point you to the books the argument came from. It is a philosophical argument with a logic based set of principles that has been found to be sound and valid. Of course like with the St Thomas Aquinas links I gave you before all things are subject to the individuals faith. That leads me to this video in the original post. I find that to be one of the best produced, well made, well stated reasons for racing and riding. It is really perfectly done and a GREAT FIND. Thanks I will be saving that on my youtube list. |
