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     Sifo |
Does anyone know what the deal is with this video. BO saying he was born in Kenya? Is this somehow taken out of context? The whole birth certificate deal fails to make any sense. The Governor of HI was going to put it to rest by finding his original birth certificate and failed to find it. WTF??? Thoughts? | ||
| Jaimec |
He found it, but is forbidden by State Law (even the Governor of Hawaii has to abide by the law) from posting it due to privacy laws. It cannot be posted publickly WITHOUT Obama's permission. | ||
| Sifo |
I think you're mistaken about him finding it... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1348916/Ha waii-governor-says-Obamas-birth-record-exists-prod uce-it.html
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| Madduck |
Actually its more interesting than that. the Governor isn't even allowed to see it. I thought at first it was just more internet craziness but this time the wacko's may be onto something. One of the proofs of his Hawaiin birth was the newspaper announcement. So far the "fact checkers" have found records of birth for everyones birth on that same newspaper page at the local hospitals with the exception of Obama. Remember he was born in 1961, two years after Hawaii had become a state. Land ownership rights were hugely different for "native born" and immigrants. The grandparents had a huge incentive to fake up a birht to lock in land rights. They were not alone in this tactic and the technology for detecting those fakes has really progressed. That "original" document may have real problems. My personal take is that since McCain was born in Panama and the Senate new that well before the election. Their allowing the election to proceed was a fraud on the voting public and we get a do-over. We also get to wave off all the debt committed by this fraud as criminal in nature and we should not be held liable for the acts of a criminal conspiracy. The birth certificate is just a red herring to distract us from the far bigger fraud. | ||
| Sifo |
McCain was born on a US Military base. That is considered US soil. That one actually went through the court system and they declared McCain a natural born citizen. They won't touch the BO case. Go figure? I do agree that it's a bit of a red herring issue, but history will eventually know the truth, and I'm beginning to believe that it will be like a stain on a blue dress. I'm beginning to think that BO may well go down in history as the first illegitimate President. | ||
| Sifo |
BTW, none of that addresses the video of BO saying he was born in Kenya. I really would like to know the background on that video. I'm certainly allowing for the possibility that it's taken way out of context. All of this could have been put to rest so easily though. At some point a reasonable person starts to question why it hasn't been put to rest. | ||
| Madduck |
There are plenty of court cases stating that US bases are not considered US soil. McCain went through because the US senate passed a non-binding "sense of the Senate" resolution that he was qualified to run. Because no one challenged it the election was held. Re: NYTimes review: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/11/us/politics/11mc cain.html Hard to believe that I used the NYT as a reference. | ||
| Sifo |
Rather interesting that they guy writing the NYT's piece ignores the fact that McCain was not just born in a US territory, but on a US Naval station. It's a distinct difference. He then goes on to argue that McCain would in ineligible based upon a later law making people born in the territory citizens. The law didn't apply to McCain, because he was born on a US Naval base, making him a natural born citizen. Both of his parents were also US citizens, which would also make him a natural born citizen, a condition that doesn't apply to BO. Still none of this answers the question of what was the context surrounding BO's statement that he was born in Kenya? EDIT: You might want to reconsider using the NYT as a reference in the future.  (Message edited by SIFO on February 05, 2011) | ||
| Cityxslicker |
no, but I have studied Keynesian Economics... and from one of the best. I would like to thank Dr Ellison for pointing the flaws of that economic track back in 1987 ! And he oughtta have known, he was aide to Keynes himself. It is monetary masturbation. | ||
| Aesquire |
Born in Hawaii, Kenya, Mars, it's too late, he'd not leaving without a nuke hitting DC.. I don't know that he is a narcissist, but he acts like one ( Ipod full of speeches? That's Fracked up. ) He won't go if you had video of his birth in a Kenyan hospital. So get over it. One of my fears has been that some nut will assassinate Obama. I've worried about that from the time it became apparent that he was a serious challenger to the inevitability of Hillary. I got more worried when I discovered his faith. ( I think he worships Obama, with a side of liberation theology ) It would be a total disaster. So I'd prefer we skip meaningless discussions of his birth place. But I've had a thought, and a question... Since he insists that Hosni leave office just because of protests, does NOT insist the Iranian thugs do so when they get protests, he seems to hate our allies, and love our enemies. If we protest him would he leave? So is the U.S. our ally and he has to go? Or is He our enemy so he can stay no matter how many he has killed to stay in power? ( like Iran ) ( I'm guessing he stays and stays angry and vindictive. Bet ya. Go protest. ) | ||
| Iamike |
With all of this discussion about wether BO is really American born or not is "What happens if it is proven that he really isn't?" Would he have to resign? Would all of his actions be nullified? The way the Dems were apoplectic about Bush not being legitimate due to their false interpretation of the Florida recount (and their mistaken belief that we are a democracy instead of a representative republic) I just wonder if they would ever disavow BO? I doubt it. | ||
| Swampy |
Nothing will happen. Our votes no longer count. Our House of Representatives and Senate is filled with a bunch of fecless barons and baronesses, untouchable selfserving. There is a ruling class, and a serf class, get used to it! That is why we in America were not to have titles of nobility, yes Senator, yes representative, yes your honor, and those bottom feeding inbred esquires holding their precious P numbers. When this country was established the founders were trying to avoid having established nobility as we JUST FREED OURSELVES FROM THE CHAINS OF NOBLES! We were ALL to be Nobles, by our actions and deeds, not by birthright or proclamation. I will probably regret writing this as someone will use it against me in the future..... | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
Gimme a break! That video was a cut-n-paste job. Just listen to it. http://politifact.com/rhode-island/statements/2010 /aug/05/chain-email/e-mail-sends-readers-youtube-v ideo-where-obama-adm/ I'm not saying I love the guy but you tools are hating him for dumb reasons. There are plenty of real actual reasons not to like the arrogant fella and there's no reason to invent crap to stir the pot. | ||
| Sifo |
It might be a cut and paste job. Unfortunately Politifact has not always been accurate in their versions of truth vs. fiction. Like the birth certificate issue, there's an easy way to prove beyond any doubt what the truth is... Show the original. The original video must exist. That's why I was asking if anyone really knew the scoop on this video. It's kind of a shame that we seem to have accepted someone saying something is true/false to be proof, when real proof is easily obtainable. This applies to both the video and the birth certificate. BTW, proving the video to be false has zero bearing on where he was born either. Calling someone a tool for wishing to know the truth is pretty lame BTW. I don't see anyone here going overboard on this topic. It is a real, unresolved constitutional issue, that one day will be resolved by historians. The claim has been made the the birth certificate exists and has been examined. In an effort to squash the talk of the "birthers" the HI Governor has failed to find that the birth certificate actually does exist. Color me skeptical on this, but it would be nice to know the truth. Right now the only truth I know on this matter is that a great deal of effort and money has been put forth to prevent the truth from being seen by the public.  | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
You are a TOOL for citing a HUMOR site's joke as fact. I'm sorry. Just plain dumb. Like using theonion.com for research too? I'm sorry for setting foot in this idiot thread. | ||
| Sifo |
Asking if anyone knows the background is very different than citing something as fact. | ||
| Chadhargis |
I'm not an Obama fan, but I believe he was born in HI. The reason he has never revealed his birth certificate is because it would reveal that he is WHITE. When a child is born to a mixed race couple, the race of the mother is typically what goes on the birth certificate. Therefore, it would list Obama as being white. Since he has to run again in 2012, and relies heavily on the black vote, it would be detrimental to his votes from the demographic who only voted for him because of the color of his skin. Racism is vile, and it goes both ways. Believe me, if it was revealed that Obama was "technically" white, there would be a large contingent who voted for him the first time around who may not vote for him again. Same thing goes for the first election. Obama would not be president if he were "medically" white. He knows this. Hence, no birth certificate. (Message edited by chadhargis on February 10, 2011) | ||
| Aesquire |
Chad, that's the only other explanation I've heard that answers the question "where's the Birth Certificate?". The other being that due to racist laws in Hawaii his grandparents made sure he was listed in the paper as being born there. ( to be able to own property handed down by them ) Of course in THAT scenario, he wasn't born in the U.S. I pretty much bet he was, in fact, born in Hawaii. I'm sure we'll find out someday. ( I didn't bother to look at the first video, until now, it's bogus ) But...Chahargis's explanation makes a lot of sense. While I keep waiting for the last person how cares what a mullatto, quantroon, or other bogus racial crap is, to finally die and leave us alone, it's going to take a while. The ingenuity of evil to make law that others are less than you based on anything other than behaviour....is boundless. If I'm going to be angry at Barack, it's going to be about making NASA a muslim outreach center, or worse yet, not believing in American Exceptionalism, ( have uncut video ) and instead in a Liberation Theology false history. ( also uncut video ) That really bugs me. But this silly crap is stupid. Comrade Obama is not a Kenyan. GW Bush didn't use the nuclear demolition device in the Twin Towers, or order the button pushed on "#7"..... And while we're at it, Kennedy ( Jack ) was shot by Lee Harvey Oswald, a Communist and KGB wanna be, from the book depository. ACTING ALONE. ( I will also accept the Comedian ("Watchmen") or JFK ("Red Dwarf") on the grassy knoll, but not if you're serious ) Kennedy (Robert) was shot by a radical islamic. Kennedy ( the junior idiot ) is selling that I want to eat polar bears, because of the oil companies, so he's dead to me too....  Conspiracies never hold up. Someone would have made a million from the National Inquirer by now. | ||
| Sifo |
The reason he has never revealed his birth certificate is because it would reveal that he is WHITE. Well that is certainly a plausible twist that I've not heard before. Aesquire, I agree at this point that the video is bogus. I was looking for some skeptical opinions and am satisfied beyond any doubt that it was pieced together. There is something up with the birth certificate issue though. I don't think that this one requires much of a conspiracy to keep it quite though. It pretty much only requires one man to keep it in question, or expose it to the light of day. History will eventually know the facts, if not the motivation. | ||
| Cowboy |
Lets be political correct he is neightor black or white he is a mullatto. | ||
| 2008xb12scg |
With all the stuff Obama is doing they really need to make stuff up? Really they can't just pick one of the many issues he's messed up and talk about that? The more people dwell on b.s. and ignore facts the more it makes him look like he's a target for b.s. get it?? | ||
| Aesquire |
It could be that a big chunk of the "Obama's a space alien" crowd are shills to throw obvious B.S. chaff out to obscure the real reasons to disagree with Barack's policies. It doesn't take a vast conspiracy. Just a few blog comments, some e-mails to right wing crackpot groups and you got buzz. It's the new thing in smears. Throw in a compliant press that parrots Reuters and AP down to the buzz word of the day... "gravitas" "clean energy" "orderly transition" ( a really loaded one that.... it implies that Hosni is already shunned and out of the picture... and may be the true reflection of the will of Obama's admin. ) Cowboy, while I know the historical context of mullatto and a few other contrived term for degree's of "Blood", they aren't accurate scientific terms to describe anyones DNA. They are terms, like "the N word" that are used to cast out, to deny the humanity of, people. In 21st century America they have meaning only as relics of a shameful past. It would be hypocritical of me to tell you not to use such words. Indeed, Barack Hussein Obama, President of the United States, is a mulatto by the rules of the slave owning Democrats in the 19th and 20th centuries. Big deal, I'm of mixed blood too. ( you have to go further back with some people than others, true. ) His "race" is only of interest to historians in the "first black..." sense, and to guilt ridden liberals who see lots of stuff in a racist way. ( and a few rednecks..) None of whose opinion I value. No I simply caution you that while technically correct, such terms mark one in a conversation as having a different mindset than you actually have. ( yes, I got the sarcastic humor....that you mock the very reactionary leftists who obsess on race.... but others might not ) They might think you are one of THEM, and then they get angry that you don't hate Sarah Palin.... after all she's on the list of people they were told to hate.... | ||
| Johnnymceldoo |
The birth certificate debacle is an awesome weapon for totus to have. Let the naysayers spend much of their focus on it and then prove them wrong on election day only to look like tinfoil types. Even if totus wasnt US born it would be in the best interest of national security to bury it. Its a fruitless endeavor. | ||
| 86129squids |
Pull my finger. | ||
| Moxnix |
Larry Sinclair never got much traction, either. http://www.larrysinclair.org/ | ||
| 86129squids |
C'mon, help me... | ||
| Aesquire |
Pull. (don't say I never helped) |
