| Author | Message | ||
     Swordsman |
Victory's adding a new bike to their lineup TODAY, as a matter of fact. They'll be releasing it live at the IMS in NYC. Looks a bit retro to me, based on the length, handlebar height, and helmet dude is holding. But who knows?  ~SM | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
No, tuber gaskets wont keep HD in business, never said that. I was just commenting on the fact they'll still have many buellers business. | ||
| Weaponxbs |
Wendy Moon wrote several entries on her blog regarding HD's future and the future outlook for the industry in general. If you are interested in what she had to say it can be found at http://wmoon.wordpress.com/ although I don't know for how long. | ||
| Rpm4x4 |
No, tuber gaskets wont keep HD in business, never said that. I was just commenting on the fact they'll still have some buellers business. I think this is far more accurate. If Buell was 3% of their sales before the closure I would bet that it is less than .5% now | ||
| Slaughter |
(still reading but that merited repeating!) | ||
| Ratbuell |
Tuber gaskets? Jim's, S&S, or American Sport Bike. It's just an Evo Sporty motor...at least, gasket-wise that's all it is. | ||
| Brumbear |
I posted this on another site what harley needs is passion not posing and Skinstains is 100% correct IMO Victory is the new American ICON!!!!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj_1X0tQBNo | ||
| Skinstains |
F*CK YEAH Brum !!! I plan on getting me one of those Visions, puttin the pie on the back seat puttin the 3 mutts in a trailer and hitting the road for a few months. As far as I'm concerned hd went out of bussiness when they put all that Jap technology in to their "EVO" in 84 and begged the gubmint to tax the livin' sh*t out of the competition from Japan. What a bunch of f*gs!!! | ||
| Anonymous |
Wait till the "new" HD shows up tomorrow at Javits. Just another nail in the coffin, from what it looks like to me. | ||
| Blake |
Thanks for the link Joseph (Weaponxbs}.
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| Cataract2 |
Well, I wouldn't say Buell failed. It was more like HD never let them succeed. They put chains on Buell and never let the release what they wanted to release. Major restrictions on how they design their bikes and market them. Think of some of the bikes that we learned about that Buell was developing that never say the light of day. | ||
| Cataract2 |
Oh, for anyone curious. This is the new HD. *snicker*  MILWAUKEE (January 20, 2011) Lean as wire, hard as iron and dark as a tar road at midnight, the new Blackline motorcycle is a Harley-Davidson Softail model pared to the bone. A rebellious creation of the Dark Custom movement, the Blackline celebrates three fundamental elements of motorcycling: mechanical beauty, internal combustion, and the long black line of the road ahead. The Blackline balances allegiance with rebellion, discarding previous conventions of colour and chrome for a Dark Custom look that’s honest, functional and attainable. Visual elements of the original bobber movement are combined with the raw, hand-hewn style embraced by today’s young builders. The Blackline throws new fuel on a fire that burns across generations, an unquenchable desire to ride. Lean and Tight Stripped to the legal limit, the Blackline keeps decorative trim and lighting spare. The rear fender is bobbed high-and-tight over a slim, 144mm tire that emphasises an authentic hardtail profile. The compact headlight and speedometer are tucked low into the wide, FX front end, and there’s just enough shine to make the black parts look blacker. Black-rimmed laced wheels complete a look that’s tough, tempered and undeniably Harley-Davidson. The styling spotlight shines on a Big Twin engine dressed in black and silver, and on a fuel tank shaved smooth and low. Aboard the Blackline, the rider hugs the frame on the lowest two-up seat ever offered by Harley-Davidson, and reaches high for new Split Drag™ handlebars that bolt right to the top triple-clamp. The Softail chassis utilizes rear suspension control provided by coil-over shock absorbers mounted horizontally along the frame rails below the powertrain, where they are out of sight. So while the swingarm section replicates the lines of a vintage hardtail frame, the Blackline delivers suspension performance and handling that are thoroughly modern. The internally counter-balanced Twin Cam 96B™ engine is rigid-mounted within the frame, creating a solid connection between rider and the power that moves the motorcycle to enhance the emotional experience of riding. (Message edited by cataract2 on January 21, 2011) (Message edited by cataract2 on January 21, 2011) | ||
| Court |
>>>>It was more like HD never let them succeed. "never let" is a bit inaccurate. There were a lot of good, hard working, well intended folks assigned to Buell by HD. That's good. But there was a great deal of active subversion. Buell, as an example, selling 50,000 units per year, would have been egg on the face of several folks in a position to make certain those resources and amount of control were never surrendered to Buell. As long as "Wilke Heads" were in charge things were fine. But then Flickinger comes along with guts, character and vision and screws the entire thing up by threatening to make Buell one of the world class players. Can't have that. Many of them have retired or, as in the case of Wilke, "left to pursue other interests". There are at least 6 still hanging about at 3700. There was one thing they never counted on. Games at half-time . . . We'll be back after this word from. . . | ||
| Cataract2 |
Court, I will stand by my assessment of "never let". Don't look at it as my not acknowledging that, yes, there were folks there who wanted them to succeed. It's just that there were many more who didn't want to let them succeed. In the end, HD shut them down due to lack of vision and my post above of the "new" HD for 2011 is just another point on the lack of vision. I'm waiting on pins and needles to see what Buell comes out with in the future now that they can start making bikes again. I really want to see them in dealerships in the next 5-10 years or maybe sooner. | ||
| Brumbear |
Is that a SMALLER light ...innovative!!!! | ||
| Skinstains |
I can't wait to go to the Javitts this afternoon. Everyone in the stupid hd stand is going to realize how stupid they are and really wish I stayed home today as I plan on torturing them. All I have to do is shover the walk & drive and I'm out. | ||
| Cataract2 |
Skin, um, what are you going to? Dyno drag? | ||
| Ratbuell |
Wear a Buell shirt. Be quiet and respectful - remember, you're representing all of us - but let them see that "we" are still out here  And my God...the writing on that softail release...really? Wow... | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
There are only so many ways one can arrange scoops of ice cream in the banana split. The core buyer rejects new. Looks like half Fatboy, half Wide Glide. They'll sell a tone of them. | ||
| Dwardo |
I guess I'm a fag, but I think that looks very nice. | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
"Tuber gaskets? Jim's, S&S, or American Sport Bike. It's just an Evo Sporty motor...at least, gasket-wise that's all it is." very true, and while I love supporting American Sport Bike, I usually need a gasket NOW, not in a couple of days and paying extra for shipping. As for the new HD, ok, looks like many of their bikes in the past, move along. What did you guys think about all of the XB bikes? The lightning line was similar, just change a little thing here and there and voila - a new model. skinstain - how do you plan on torturing them? | ||
| Rex |
the bike above doesn't look new. It looks like Hondas new sportster knock off. REX | ||
| Delta_one |
I bet its more than an old bike "NOW IN ALL BLACK"
aside from the suspension steering head angle frame length ride height and wheelbase they are all basically the same bike, true. but I don't remember seeing a big hyped up unveiling for a XB9S that was now "a brand new bike" when all they did was add cherry bomb red either, or when the frames went black. even when they wend from 41mm to 43mm it was still the same bike, no model change to mark the event, it was just an update to a current bike. re-covering the same old bike and calling it new is a lie, plain and simple. making updates every few years is what most manufacturers do regardless, yes they put out literature and brag it up but they don't call it an "all new product" | ||
| Doerman |
I think we are showing disrespect for the dying. It is time to start penning a proper eulogy for HD. That point was brought home by Wendy Moon's analysis on her blog. | ||
| Blake |
Baghdad Bob got the marketing contract for H-D? At some point, the potential customer is going to actually look at the bike. Hey, it has a look that is "attainable"!  Not many marketing spiels literally induce nausea. That one does. | ||
| Froggy |
Interesting description.... | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Is that like there is just enough crap on your fingers to make the world smell sweet? | ||
| Skinstains |
First I'm going to ask them if they have a VR1000 that I can look at. I bet the first 5 I ask have no idea what it is. Second I'm going to ask them if they have anything 'made in the USA' I could look at. Third I will ask for specs on some of the models. All of this will be done in a polite friendly manner in front of a lot of other people. From there I'm just going to free style as I'm pretty good at it. I love making someone look stupid (if they deserve it of course I only use my powers for good never evil) in a way that they don't even realize it for another 10 minutes. The degree to wich I will dispence my unequaled wit will be determined by where said person fits in on the "tool scale". (Message edited by skinstains on January 21, 2011) | ||
| Milt |
Wendy Moon is a terrific writer. Thanks for turning me on to her. | ||
| Bikertrash05 |
LOL, a Wide Glide Softail, and it is a brand new bike!  This is almost as bad as when they "revealed" the blacked out XR1200 in the states as brand new, and it had been out in Europe for a year. |
