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P47b
Posted on Sunday, January 16, 2011 - 02:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It looks like an Airbus engineer has thrown down the gauntlet on a land speed record.
Anyone from Boeing want to join in?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsZsoMIty9o
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Kc10_fe
Posted on Sunday, January 16, 2011 - 02:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

How about doing it on a British machine there Mr Limey.
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Aesquire
Posted on Sunday, January 16, 2011 - 03:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Now I'm wondering how fast I can go in 700 meters.

I applaud his effort, but I do dispute his claim that we build bricks. I mean, we do, but that is a class distinction, not a preference of "Americans". The records for streamlined bikes are blazingly fast, and the un-faired classes are more accessible to the average joe. That is the American Hot Rod legacy. A budget approach to speed. Also see the many streamliner Motorcycles made with surplus drop tanks. Both the Brits and us do that....

Bonneville is the home of hot rods, and wasn't Campbell's Bluebird the first record effort there? ( and successful, as well? )

Consider the Rolls Royce R, an engine that held the worlds Land, Sea, and Air records.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolls-Royce_R
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Sunday, January 16, 2011 - 05:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Bitches about "Yanks building bricks" and then selects for his preferred platform....


A brick.



Yeah, he's the only "smart" engineer there is. Typical Brit.
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Kc10_fe
Posted on Sunday, January 16, 2011 - 05:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Yeah, he's the only "smart" engineer there is. Typical Brit"

Engineer and common sense do not compute. Square peg round hole thing.
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Johnnylunchbox
Posted on Sunday, January 16, 2011 - 05:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Dunno. I think we were witnessing an engineer attempting some tongue-in-cheek humor. I think the only thing drier than Brit humor is engineer humor. Combine the two and well...
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Sunday, January 16, 2011 - 05:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

No I find Brits quite serious when they make these sorts of statements until confronted and THEN they were just joking and "we don't get their humor".

Takes more than a fancy paint job and lots of chrome to go fast. I'd put money on Fireman Jim over a British egghead any day.

Wonder what Jim could do with Airbus' racing budget.
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Kenm123t
Posted on Sunday, January 16, 2011 - 06:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

check out a Shorts 360 airplane I pulled up to the ramp at $100 hamburger place and saw the uglyist barn with wings. My buddy Ed said what is that thing. It has to be British look at the external control surface counter weights in the air stream. When shut down we walked over and looked at it big Oval chrome emblem Shorts 360. Name another beautiful british aircraft other than a Spitfire
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Sunday, January 16, 2011 - 07:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The only people who engineer uglier are the Russians.
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Aesquire
Posted on Sunday, January 16, 2011 - 08:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The Avro Arrow. No, wait, that's Canadian.
The Mosquito.

Actually it was the Chrome dice that makes me doubt this nice Brit has little chance. There is a brutal simplicity that's quite elegant in good design.

Of course the Brits also designed the Napier Sabre. The valve drives alone have more parts than many engines.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napier_Sabre
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Court
Posted on Sunday, January 16, 2011 - 09:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

He's likely to be taken to task for false advertising . . .

  • Porsche engine - NOT
  • Harley-Davidson - NOT
  • Made in America - NOT


I wish him luck.
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Skinstains
Posted on Sunday, January 16, 2011 - 10:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That fish-n-chip f*ggot stinks on ice, and so does that ugly junk of a bike. As fatty stated, he chose a brick himself what a bunghole. He obviously drank the Airbus Koolaid as well. He talks a lot lets just wait and see what he's got. Oh yeah I almost forgot. If it weren't for us "brick" racers he'd be speaking german. Oh yeah one more thing, If the Limeys are such great engineers how does he describe what happened to the British bike industry ? He's a tool and now everyone knows it, not just the poor sods that have to work with him.
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Guell
Posted on Sunday, January 16, 2011 - 10:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

^^ i couldnt have said it better.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Sunday, January 16, 2011 - 10:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Cough...Lucas....cough.


Court, I noticed that too. "European Design".
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Mr_grumpy
Posted on Monday, January 17, 2011 - 03:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jeez, get over yourselves already.

It's not to my taste either, & the bloke put me to sleep droning on & on, but that's no reason to insult him or denigrate the work he's put in.

I find it sad but amusing that if a British engineer takes an American lump & screws more power out of it he's a tool. However if an American engineer takes a British design & improves it he's a genius.

As for the, "If it wasn't for us you'd be speaking German..."

Grow up!
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Blake
Posted on Monday, January 17, 2011 - 03:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I gotta agree with Innes.
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Pwnzor
Posted on Monday, January 17, 2011 - 07:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

+1 Grumpy
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Trojan
Posted on Monday, January 17, 2011 - 07:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Name another beautiful british aircraft other than a Spitfire

Concorde (Worlds first and only operational supersonic passenger jet)
Tiger Moth
Vulcan bomber
Hawker Hurricane (the REAL workhorse of the battle of Britain)
Harrier (or AV8B as you call it) Worlds first and only operational VTOL fighter/bomber
Eurofighter
Tornado F1
Mosquito
Bristol Beaufighter
Avro Lancaster
Wellington (first real geodesic design)
Hawker Fury/Sea Fury
Hawker Tempest
Supermarine S5

need I go on?

By the way, the Short 360 may be ugly, but it is an incredibly succesful aircraft in service all around the world since 1981. It was built to do a job not to look good, and does that job very very well. If you were looking for a 39 seat twin turboprop passenger aircraft that can use runways of less than 4500 feet there is still little other choice available even now ; )

If the Limeys are such great engineers how does he describe what happened to the British bike industry ?

Have you looked at the British bike industry recently? I think you'll find that Triumph and Norton are not only alive and well but doing very nicely thankyou (more than can be said for certain other factories across the pond?).

If it weren't for us "brick" racers he'd be speaking german.

if it weren't for us British you'd (Americans) be speaking French ; )

(Message edited by trojan on January 17, 2011)
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P47b
Posted on Monday, January 17, 2011 - 10:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I didn't think this would be a bash session!!!
Don't forget that Craig Breedlove and Richard Noble have had a long running battle. The SSC (talk about a brick) still holds the record today as no one has stepped up on the US side.
I'm just saying that Erik Buell made a better product for someone to work off of for this.
What if someone showed up in the UK on a Buell as a show down?
I think we all see it in the NHRA world.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Monday, January 17, 2011 - 10:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Wanna set land speed records? Great! The more the merrier.

I just find it odd that he would work to bash "American engineers" while at the same time building off an American platform.

Why didn't he use a Rocket III as his platform? THAT would have been a more interesting project and a better demonstration of British engineering.


Most American engineers that I know, don't wake up thinking about how they are going to rub it in the faces of the British engineers.

The guy's a tool.
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Wolfridgerider
Posted on Monday, January 17, 2011 - 12:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The guy's a tool.

no doubt about it....

I hate trash talkers... they usually end up being excuse makers
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Andymnelson
Posted on Monday, January 17, 2011 - 12:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

What we've noticed is the American approach is to take a brick, apply huge power to that brick, and see how fast they can drive it...We believe that a beautiful aerodynamic package and just enough power to reach our top speed is the way forward.




While that makes sense....what he is did is take an American brick and apply huge power to it! All he did is turbo charge a VRod to 275 hp, and his goal is 400 hp. That's all fine and well, but he's doing exactly what he belittles us for doing!
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P47b
Posted on Monday, January 17, 2011 - 12:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I understand ground effect for air intake. but wouldn't he be suffering from ingestion into the turbo with the intakes so low?

http://www.flickriver.com/groups/1463196@N20/pool/ interesting/
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Fast1075
Posted on Monday, January 17, 2011 - 03:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That particular bike looks like a drag bike to me...maybe he plans on full streamlining???...It has an awful lot of parts supplied by M.R.E. in Tampa Bay and Pingel. What class is he going to run it in?? It all depends...he just might have a good go at it if he picks the right class to shoot for.

As far as the engineering thing goes...The Europeans in general and the UK guys in particular have some of the coolest aftermarket stuff for buells...I am patiently waiting for an order from Matt at Adrenaline-Moto...nobody in the US makes what they do...I guess the profit margin is too thin to do it here.

I agree that it would be better if he used a Triumph for his big go...but a lot of the R&D for high output V-Rod motors has been already done...

The guy sure has a big ego...but so do most successful racers...it's all part of the game.

I just hope he does not make too much of a fool of himself being "All hat and no herd" because if he is shooting for "worlds fastest motorcycle"...he is going to have to go nose to nose with the likes of Denis Manning...if he is going partial streamlining he will be nose to nose with people like John Noonan, or our friend FiremanJim...or his Aussie buddys...

In any case, he better pack a lunch...he's gonna need it.

I still like the Triumph idea best...perhaps call in the traditional masters of British horsepower...Cosworth...
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Monday, January 17, 2011 - 03:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Evidently they don't have turbo killing debris in the UK.
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Mr_grumpy
Posted on Monday, January 17, 2011 - 03:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Evidently they don't have turbo killing debris in the UK

Nah, you lot wouldn't lend us any.
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Fast1075
Posted on Monday, January 17, 2011 - 03:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

A properly maintained and policed dragstrip has regular F.O.D. THAT bike is not a landspeed bike...that bike is a drag bike...I bet it is interesting to make the turn off without dragging those scoops.
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Stirz007
Posted on Monday, January 17, 2011 - 03:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Tool dude does mention he isn't running on salt, but a 'flying kilometer' with a 700m start - so yeah, more of a drag bike than a 'conventional' LSR bike.

The guy is probably some kinda spokesdude - he DID have some booth (not so) hotties - so blatant self-promotion is part of the gig, as in: the ability talk out both your mouth and arse is part of the job.

I wonder if littlebutquick has run into this cat??

"I Hate Haters".....

JM
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Monday, January 17, 2011 - 04:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Nah, you lot wouldn't lend us any.

Check with the French. They were kind enough to lend us several plots.
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Seanp
Posted on Monday, January 17, 2011 - 04:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If it weren't for us "brick" racers he'd be speaking german.

>>> if it weren't for us British you'd (Americans) be speaking French

And if it weren't for the French, Americans would be speaking (British) English!

I always laugh at the "if it weren't for the Americans" line. Study some history please.
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