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     Blake |
>>> And before you bring up Hilter take a look, he’s actually against atheism; ‘Adolf Hitler was baptized in a Catholic Church in 1889 and was never be excommunicated or in any other way officially censured by the Catholic Church. Hitler frequently referred to God and Christianity in his various speeches and writings. In one 1933 speech, he said that "To do justice to God and our own conscience, we have turned once more to the German Volk." In another he said: "We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out." It always amazes me how atheists are so eager to accept at face value the public campaign and propaganda utterances of Adolph Hitler, power-greedy, genocidal, mass-murdering mad-man. One of the nazis on Hitler's staff recorded what Hitler said in private. The book Hitler's Secret Conversations 1941-1944 published by Farrar, Straus and Young, Inc. first edition, 1953, reveals Hitler's true views. The book was published in Britain under the title, Hitler's Table Talk 1941-1944, which was used for the Oxford University Press paperback edition in the United States. | ||
| Blake |
Can we agree that the above statements made in private by Hitler clearly show his disdain for religion, and his true belief as being either atheistic or deistic (unconcerned creator)? | ||
| Not_purple_s2 |
Even if he was an atheist that does not prove that he killed because of religion or disbelief in religion. None of those statements really say "we must exterminate religion even if we have to kill them all. And lets start with the Jews" In fact it seems like he just thought religion will die out on it's own and won't need too much help from him or his regime. "The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity...." If these are really the thoughts of Hitler then if he were to suceed in his conquests he may have tried to discourage religion in his empire. But from those statements it doesn't seem that he was planning on actively and openly opposing religion. I don't think that Hitler was anymore motivated by atheism than he was religion. | ||
| Buellerandy |
Nah, they targeted the Jews more or less due to WWI. Not so much because of the religion. | ||
| Aesquire |
"They" often target the Jews. Multiple reasons. Many Jewish people don't assimilate all the way in many cultures. different hair, beard, etc. The Catholic Church made moneylending a sin, yet for business to happen, loans have to too. Not many Hindus in Western Europe, so the banking business became notably Jewish. The phrase "Jew banker" used as a class envy, hatemonger line is very old, Hitler didn't start it. It's medieval for the love of Pan. ( note the current regime uses "fat-cat banker" for the same purpose. ) Jews have a habit of not converting to the local, or new conquerer's religion. That gets you killed, a lot. ( Presbyterians take pride in the same habit, as do some others ) So, a visibly different embedded culture with strange ways.... a natural to use as scapegoats. Note that the Muslim mandated beard has as it's specific purpose to differentiate the Faithful. A beard, to show you are not a Roman, ( mostly clean shaven ) and trimmed to show you are not a Jew. ( this is way before the split into reform and Orthodox. ) Hitler was very into paganism, ripping off Norse myths, and may have talked to saucer people, but a practicing Christian? Not so much. | ||
| Blake |
Curtis (Not Purple S2), My only point is that Hitler was an atheist, not that his atheism directed his behavior in all things. The issue that instigated this thread is that some atheists eagerly accept Hitler's public political statements as proof that Hitler was a practicing Christian or supportive of the religion. They do this to try to denigrate the Christian faith. Is is a lie. Revealing that lie is the only point for this thread. | ||
| Not_purple_s2 |
Actually those qoutes only prove that Hitler wasn't a christian or atleast had some heavy beefs with the christian religion. He doesn't argue against the existance of a God or even the christian God, just religion. It does not prove that Hitler was even atheist. Could be he was agnostic or even spiritual but apposed to organized religion. Hitler was selling patriotism and racism (that Germans are the super-race) above all else. Religion puts God first and above all things, so that was not conducive to his agenda. Especially a religion that refers to non-Germans (Jews) as "choosen people." Your point that Hitler wasn't a acting out of christian beliefs is still valid. | ||
| Moxnix |
The vegetarian Hitler cried when one of his budgies died. Beware of vegetarians. They'll rescue the puppy before the child. I'm invoking Godwin's Law. | ||
| Blake |
Curtis, I'm seeing a lot of atheism in Hitler's statements following:
Thus my previous statement: "Can we agree that the above statements made in private by Hitler clearly show his disdain for religion, and his true belief as being either atheistic or deistic (unconcerned creator)?" |
