| Author | Message | ||
     Bott |
some of this sounds familiar...and it ALL sounds good. imho. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkNHgH9aZZ0&feature =player_embedded#! | ||
| Whisperstealth |
Lower unsprung weight, mass centralization, lower over all weight, shorter wheel base. Think the industry learned anything from Erik? Why has every other MoCo embraced and is using the same methods Erik used, and HD just continue to BLEEP them selves? And like the Uly adventure platform was a bad idea too. It's not like anybody else is/has developed bikes to get into that segment... ARRRRR That GSX-R does look nice though. | ||
| Iman501 |
i was thinking the same thing when i watched it whisperstealth | ||
| Grancuda |
Mass Centralization was not invented by Erik neither is lower unsprung weight, lower overall weight or short wheel bases. | ||
| Hughlysses |
No, but he's been a vocal proponent of these concepts and he went farther to incorporate them all in his production motorcycles than any other designer. | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
whiper - the uly wasnt the first adventure bike, its not like buell made it and everyone jumped on board. So I am not really sure where that point you made is going. as for HD not following those same design trends...they arent building sportbikes, short wheelbases etc arent important on a cruiser bike | ||
| Whisperstealth |
No they did not build the first adventure bike. But when it was built, the "craze" was barely getting started. It was a new design and approach to the concept. He was out in front of many others. Look at how many MoCo have come out with new adventure bikes since 2005 / 2006. BMW and KTM were the biggest and best at the time. Both great bikes. The XB12X is a great mix, sold at a better price, with lower cost of ownership. The Buell being the better street bike IMO. Other than KTM, Buell was the first modern adventure bike with a V-twin engine I believe, but could be wrong. HD not continuing the Buell brand, shows they are no longer willing to expand their thinking. They put them selves back into a pidgin hole in a segment that is shrinking. Hondakawisuki have bikes in almost every segment. Other big MoCo's have range as well. The adventure segment is the fastest growing segment in the industry. I think Erik saw that, and built a bike that could compete in it. It's a good thing HD is expanding into India, and any other country that will buy into the brand and "image". Counting on the next generation of americans to keep the company alive, with out shrinking massively, is a bad idea. Back on topic, the gsxr is a bad ass bike. I'd like to have one. The improvements do remind me of the things Buell was doing, and it is nice to see the idea's being carried forward. Whether they started with Erik or not. | ||
| Jstfrfun |
Actually H-D didn't move to India they moved a lot of there manufacturing to Pakistan, which is even more frightening since thats where all the bad guys are blowin' shit up! | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
LOL oh man thats hilarious that you actually believe that. | ||
| Jon |
One of the most contrary, senseless and frustrating things I will ever witness is the senselessness of HD putting Buell out and standing by while everyone else copies Erik's ideas. Ideas that were a 10th of what he probably envisioned but was constrained to produce. It bugs me to continue to observe this in the market. | ||
| Court |
....and see some of the former trademark protection folks indicate they were under instructions to expend no resources. Good for Erik I'd suspect. | ||
| Whisperstealth |
oh man thats hilarious that you actually believe that. Believe what part? Or all of it? I really would like to know where I'm factually wrong. Thanks. | ||
| Jon |
Court, Well that is a ray of sunshine. The stupidity that keeps creativity and invention behind closed doors is the same stupidity that leaves doors unlocked. That would be some poetic justice. | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
the pakistani hd manufacturing plant, thats what i found humorous | ||
| Swordsman |
Mass Centralization was not invented by Erik neither is lower unsprung weight, lower overall weight or short wheel bases. True. And yet, it wasn't until the last year or so that anyone other than Buell actually decided to utilize it and make it a marketing point. ~SM | ||
| Whisperstealth |
Oh, okay. Thanks for letting me know. | ||
| Court |
Posted on Sunday, December 26, 2010 - 11:18 am: Mass Centralization was not invented by Erik neither is lower unsprung weight, lower overall weight or short wheel bases. True. It's also true that Ferdinand Porsche rolled out a hybrid electric-gas automobile in 1899. Go piss in the Chevy Volt or the Leaf forum if that's all you have to add to what was formerly boarding on intelligent conversation. Court |
