| Author | Message | ||
     Moxnix |
My less-than-humble description of "intelligence" is a reliable memory and the ability to figure things out. I made it to one Mensa meeting back in the 1970s, couldn't tell whether it was a carnival sideshow or a zoo. Asked myself, "if you're so smart, what are you doing HERE?" and returned to the coffeehouse, or was it a barstool? | ||
| Moxnix |
Perhaps not treason, but he certainly facilitated espionage. Try that with the Russians or Red Chinese. | ||
| Blake |
>>> I don't think Mr. Assange is a citizen of the United States, so, I'm not sure how you conclude he committed treason I'm not sure who you are talking about accusing Assange of treason. I made no such accusation. If you are referring to the title of the thread, then the possible traitor involved in the wilileaks ordeal would be PFC Bradley Manning. | ||
| Sayitaintso |
I fairly sure he's referring to the second line of your initial post where you seem to equate the release of the "stuff" as treason and theft. Neither of which is accurate. (Message edited by sayitaintso on December 09, 2010) | ||
| Rwven |
PFC Manning is deserving of the full weight of the law. | ||
| Blake |
>>> you seem to equate the release of the "stuff" as treason and theft. Neither of which is accurate. Uh, the information was indeed stolen, meaning taken from its rightful owner. The dissemination of that confidential information via wikileaks to the world and thus to the enemies of America may or may not constitute a treason. Probably not. | ||
| Britchri10 |
If you don't conflate illegal activity by a foreign national with treason against the USA the whole thing is fairly easy to understand. The dude responsible for the dissemination of illegally obtained confidential material is criminally liable for his actions under international law and should be prosecuted accordingly. Any associated actions against individuals or corporations associated with the "suppression" of actions against the dude & his websites etc' are also illegal & the full weight of international law should be utilized to bring those culpable to justice. (I am not a lawyer!) Chris C | ||
| Fahren |
"PFC Manning is deserving of the full weight of the law."..... if/when convicted. Let's not forget what country we are in; he also deserves full protection and rights under law. He has not been convicted. | ||
| Boltrider |
So Assange is an Australian Icelander? Maybe on paper, but he strikes me as a man with no country. | ||
| Rwven |
"if/when convicted" I assumed that would be assumed. | ||
| Fast1075 |
Thank you Moxnix...my experience exactly as perceived from a different direction. And the ability to figure things out is abstract thought. A science professor I knew had a "test" he used to determine the basic ability of his students to freely think. The "test" consisted of placing an ordinary red brick in the middle of a table, and instructing the students to write down their observations of everything they could think of relating to that brick. The test was one hour long. The record for the largest list of things that I know of was 1,052 and the student protested that given enough time, he could come up with endless observations. Most people give up at less than 30. | ||
| Davegess |
This guy really pisses this flaming liberal off big time. He is just a garbage dump. I see nothing in this round of State Department cables that rises anywhere near ANY sort of government wrong doing. If he was revealing some horrible cover up I would be all for him but just to release normal diplomatic traffic because it is labeled secret??? I don't get that at all. I have read one account and heard another that say that these cables do show one thing very clearly; that the US State Department is very good at the job. Wikileaks and Assange are digging a grave for themselves. Time is reporting that WL plans to post stolen Russian documents that would be pretty nasty. The Russians don't play nice like the US does. A little polonium isotope in the right place will solve the problem permanently. (Not saying this should happen, just that it is the sort of thing the Russians have been know to use.) I do find it interesting that he attacks the US and so far has left the Chinese, Israelis and Russians alone. It is one thing to tweak the nose of a sleeping giant who is committed to doing things in a lawful manner and quite another to do it to one with no scruples at all. | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
treason: 1- the offense of acting to overthrow one's government or to harm or kill its sovereign. 2 - a violation of allegiance to one's sovereign or to one's state. | ||
| Hootowl |
If it were 1943 and the Taliban were Nazi Germany the little punk would be tried, convicted, and executed already. Our problem is that many in our government are sympathetic to his beliefs. The hard left has been infiltrating key positions since the 60's. They own the universities, and currently run Congress and the Justice Department. Is anyone really surprised this info got leaked? Look at the people charged with protecting it. (Message edited by hootowl on December 09, 2010) | ||
| Hootowl |
+1 Dave. If he posts Russia's dirty little secrets (even if they aren't dirty) he's in for a rude awakening. Actually, a rude dirt nap. | ||
| Moxnix |
The polonium tea incident was the Russian method of not only ending a problem, but warning others from doing the same. Back in Russia the kleptocrats beat and kill journalists the same way and for the same reasons. After thumbing thru Black's Law for a few minutes, it appears Pfc. Manning is good for a variety of charges. However, guru Assange is subject to whatever treaties and agreements the U.S. may be signatory to. My, when do I get to use "signatory" again? | ||
| Macbuell |
Not that I am advocating it but I would not be surprised to read that he was found dead one day under mysterious circumstances. Or maybe I have watched too many Jason Bourne movies. (Message edited by macbuell on December 09, 2010) | ||
| Blake |
Dave, you're an admitted flaming liberal? Really? Judging by your post, you are an old school Jeffersonian liberal, not one of those miserable leftist-commie God hatin' nouveau "liberals." Good. You can stay.  Good post. Fast, >>> The "test" consisted of placing an ordinary red brick in the middle of a table, and instructing the students to write down their observations of everything they could think of relating to that brick. I'd have written down that I see a brick sitting stationary on the table thanks to light, gravity, and friction and then walk out and find something useful/productive to do, or at least entertaining. The focus on that kind of useless mind masturbation crap is what I don't like about some Mensa eggheads. "Here's a knife and some rope, go figure out how to survive in the jungle for two weeks." That's my kind of intelligence test. Assange and his fellow eggheads wouldn't pass it. They lack real world intelligence on account of their parents failed to instill it within them. | ||
| Blake |
Dave, Not only can you stay, we're honored to have you.  | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
The really great thing about eggheads is that they are the master of the universe between their ears but have precious little to show for their real world efforts. A good poker player can tell you more about human nature, probability outcomes, and economic theory than most poker players. | ||
| Sifo |
There's a couple of point worth making. 1) Prosecute Assange as aggressively as possible. 2) Prosecute PFC Manning as aggressively as possible. 3) Why did Eric Holder wait for a second set of leaks before saying he would take action? Makes me wonder if the can really build a case against Assange. 4) Is the best we can do right now really to have him held on charges relating to a broken condom? I'm sorry, but if some serious charges can't be successfully prosecuted then we are really going to look stupid and invite even more of the same from Assange. Right now we are embarrassed by the leaks and looking pretty damn weak in our response to the leaker IMO. I was once invited to join MENSA by a co-worker. I asked if there were lot's of people like him there, then declined. He claimed to have a 183 IQ, but could barely dress himself and couldn't write good computer algorithms to save his life. That in itself wouldn't have bothered me, except that was pretty much the definition of his job. I'm happy being at the low end of what MENSA accepts.  | ||
| Aesquire |
I'm all for whistle blowers revealing dishonest dealings and lawbreaking. Even if it's my nation doing it. Military and Intel matters are different, unless we are the ones getting the shaft. ( they are SUPPOSED to give the enemy the shaft ) Wikileaks are not whistle blowers. A couple of things are going to happen because of this. Cyber-security firms will make more money defending against the script kiddies and useful idiots who attack websites for a "cause". That's a good thing, all in all, since we are having a serious web-war with Communist China. The idiocy of the current security system will be partially fixed. Unfortunately the bozo's at State will still do stupid crap like assembling lists of targets for our enemies and putting it on whatever web they have access to. ( one of the problems shown in all this is that in the name of "info sharing" State decided to use Defense's money and network. I could see Diplomatic stuff, OR Military stuff getting swiped... both shows real talent for bad ideas. ) Julie may have committed treason, but that's up to the Aussies. Aided terrorists? You betcha. Because he was warned that the release of the info about Iraqi & Afghan citizens helping the allies against Jihadi forces would endanger them. His choice to help murder innocent people makes him an enemy combatant. Period. As far as I'm concerned, that previous release ( not the current State Dept. crapola ) has earned him a resting place, either prison or quicker, from which he will not return. There is no "alleged" here to worry about. Julie has bragged his triumph in public, and his own words show his intention is to destroy. My real anger is at the current AG ( and his boss and minions ) who did diddle about the release of military info, and only got busy when the info released was embarrassing to his boss. I expect no different from the current AG, based on past performance. HIM, treason is a possible charge. As far as the threat of mass release of "secrets" protecting wikileaks.... read "Dane-geld" by Kipling. He will be killed if he picks on a totalitarian State. Their masters know better than to let a blackmailer live. That's why cowards of his kind never reveal the evil of Dictators, but only pick on good nations that will protect their cowardice. Just like you never see the Berkeley crowd burning N. Korean flags, or protest the millions murdered by Mao. | ||
| Blake |
>>> Why did Eric Holder wait for a second set of leaks before saying he would take action? Makes me wonder if the can really build a case against Assange. Holder is likely one of Assange's biggest fans. | ||
| Moxnix |
Global espio-crats and dips (diplomats) are either peeing themselves with delight or soaking themselves in fear of how large a dog turd has been dropped into their collective pockets by the Wikileakers. I suspect many wish they'd never heard of Julian Assange and his lemmings, bootlicks and Clockwork Orange fanboys. Civilized nations would do well to come up with a response to such billigerence. Assange and company have really dropped a dog turn in all of our pockets. I fear the rest of us will see the "freedom of the Internet" erode at a faster pace until folk start writing letters and reading newspapers again. I qualified for Mensa with my US Navy GCT taken before 1980. Ever the imp, membership in it has a way of alienating people. For an agoraphobe, it worked well back in the day. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Wikileaks accomplishes Obama and Holder's aims up to the point it becomes unpopular. Obama governs by licking his finger and sticking it into the wind. And then he waits three weeks to act. | ||
| Kenm123t |
When I joined Mensa and attended a few meetings. I found most members to be pretty much Slinky people. Pretty useless but fun to watch when shoved down the stairs | ||
| Rwven |
"Holder is likely one of Assange's biggest fans." Someone has been watching Glenn Beck... | ||
| Buellinmke |
Well, at least we learned that DynCorp is spending our tax dollars on man-boy sex parties in Afghanistan. Doesn't that make you angry Blake? You paid for Afghan men to inseminate boys. You can thank Julian Assange for letting you know that your tax dollars are being put to good use. Source | ||
| Cityxslicker |
He hasnt been convicted..... um no no Under the UCMJ you are guilty until proven innocent. If you are brought up on charges it means you were nabbed, the trial is only if there are mitigating circumstances for sentencing. Theres a place for him in Gitmo  There is a long list of shiat I dont get to talk about until 25 years after the fact. and even then the publishing has to clear DIAHQ. From a long history of I wasnt there, we didnt do it, and you have no proof. Honestly I hope the jacktards that approved his clearance and ran the shop that he was in, get a fair dose of punishment too. it is why you have two man integrity, and electronic logs on copiers, scanners, email, internet connection. He did it, the guys watchin the sweitches were just as culpable for allowing the environment to happen. had this been Bosnia, it never would have made the news. | ||
| Blake |
>>> Someone has been watching Glenn Beck... Nope, just watched comrade Holder for the past two years. >>> Doesn't that make you angry Blake? If true--there was zero in the way of actual evidence provided in your "source" report--absolutely. When I see actual evidence versus just a bunch of commentary and accusations, I'll write my congressman and demand that the issue be investigated fully, and if found guilty, ask that Dyncorp barred from future gov't contracts. When you come up with actual evidence, let me know. Where is the transcript of the supposed incriminating wikileak cable? Assange hasn't let anyone know anything that I've seen. He's just dumped a bunch of information into the public's lap. Sloppy, crude, unprofessional. |
