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Whisperstealth
Posted on Sunday, November 14, 2010 - 03:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Why do we even bother teaching history? We have not learned from it.

America = ROME on SPEED

Things like this almost make me hope I have a heart attack on an empty road while out riding. How do we come back from this? What motivation do we have to pass on? How many of our leaders have committed treason?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_gm_ipo_china
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Roadcouch98
Posted on Sunday, November 14, 2010 - 10:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Why do we even bother teaching history?

We should be teaching the Chinese Language, and Slave Labor Manufacturing Techniques.
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Roadcouch98
Posted on Sunday, November 14, 2010 - 10:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

How will the UAW react to this ?

I'm guessing, they will soon be 'feeling a slight Pinch'.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Sunday, November 14, 2010 - 10:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Freedom is stronger than oppression.

Ultimately, progressive ideals are a dead end street. When it fails to deliver a chicken in every pot, the rubes will get religion fast. (See mid-term elections).

Article 1, Section 8

Tenth Amendment


When that fails, Second Amendment. (See big red reset button).


We haven't had a good old fashioned civil war in a while, we are overdue. It's time to return fear of the people to the hearts of our political "leaders". A few public executions for treason and crimes against the Constitution ought to do the trick.
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Sunday, November 14, 2010 - 03:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Look at the 'taxes' and incremental government licensing and assessment fees we pay! 235 years ago there would have been rioting in the streets with pitchforks and long muskets.

We get what we roll over for. Welcome to the new 'entitlement' the cost, your freedom.

(hell little billy cant even fly the flag off the back of his bike!)

Rome was a fairy tale, look closer to Russia 1921; the revolution is coming
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2008xb12scg
Posted on Sunday, November 14, 2010 - 06:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Revolutions are more difficult after they take away your weapons. I imagine fredom of assembly will be next..
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Dalton_gang
Posted on Sunday, November 14, 2010 - 07:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"I'm guessing, they will soon be 'feeling a slight Pinch'"



You're being way too polite with that comment. You know they're going to get their asses kicked.

First GM becomes "Government Motors", now it's looking like they may become CGM (Chinese Government Motors)

All we got to do is keep letting China buy our debt and we can kiss it all good bye.
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Buellkowski
Posted on Sunday, November 14, 2010 - 07:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Think of those foreign-owned shares of GM as repatriated dollars. Better that those greenbacks return to our shores than they sit in a Chinese bank.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Sunday, November 14, 2010 - 09:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yay, it's another loan that we'll have to pay back with interest.

The Chinese get to buy large quantities of GM stock while it's in the shitter and then sell them back to us at quadruple the price.

Sounds like a great plan to me.


So the $10,000 question is this, all this "buy American" stuff. Does it still hold true when GM is owned by the Chinese? Are Chevys still "American"?

Is GM "American" because the UAW says it is?

Just askin'.
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Roadcouch98
Posted on Sunday, November 14, 2010 - 09:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Who holds the Reins at Chrysler, these Days ?

Seems to me, that Ford is on the Right Track. The other two - not so much.
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Buellkowski
Posted on Sunday, November 14, 2010 - 09:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Remember, these are stock shares, not debt notes. If GM stock quadruples, we should all celebrate, foreign-owned shares notwithstanding. Go buy yours now and share in their optimism.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Sunday, November 14, 2010 - 09:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Fiat I think.

Is it still "American" if an Italian company owns it?
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Garyz28
Posted on Sunday, November 14, 2010 - 09:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have owned nothing but GM cars since I began driving in 1973. When GM took the bailout money and became Government Motors I swore I would never buy from them again. Yesterday I put my money where my mouth was. I traded in the wifes Tahoe for a 2011 Ford Expedition. It looks like Ford is the last of the great American auto makers.
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Sunday, November 14, 2010 - 11:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

yes, but I dont like Fords cozy relationship with Microsoft.
I have killed so many winboxes, the last thing I need is a vehicle on the side of the road with the 'Blue Screen of Death'

But of course my 84 Ford is running like a top, and I have no intentions of replacing that truck
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Dalton_gang
Posted on Monday, November 15, 2010 - 08:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Remember, these are stock shares, not debt notes."



This is bailout debt that the US government has turned into saleable stock shares, and is selling to a Chinese owned bank.
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Reindog
Posted on Monday, November 15, 2010 - 09:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I choose to invest in companies that don't have a history of screwing and demonizing shareholders in favor of union thugs. Bad company, no donut.
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Iamarchangel
Posted on Monday, November 15, 2010 - 11:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sorry, guys, this is not news. This is where left and right politics agree. It's just that the left knew of it earlier.

GM has had a massive interest in China that it didn't have to report to the US because of investment protection rulings. GM can cry bankruptcy in the US, knowing that union haters will believe them. Then GM can shuffle their accounts and fill with China money.

GM cries the blues, the government "loans" the money and hits the workers' pay and benefits. Union haters love this breaking of promises. GM pays back the money, posts a huge profit, and the workers are still hurting.

Slave Labour Manufacturing Techniques: if you're connected to any Kaizen, Sigma, 6S, TPS, etc., you're already getting/teaching those lessons.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Monday, November 15, 2010 - 12:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The question still bears out. Is GM still considered an "American" company?
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Buellkowski
Posted on Monday, November 15, 2010 - 12:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It's a global company headquartered Detroit and whose executive management is, for the most part, American.

http://www.gm.com/corporate/about/officers.jsp#
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Monday, November 15, 2010 - 01:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

With employees in Mexico, Canada, Europe, and China with US manufacturing becoming the smallest portion of its global work force and with US product sales decreasing annually as a percent of the global production.

Still "American"?
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Firebolt020283
Posted on Monday, November 15, 2010 - 01:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

well I don't know about the new ones but my Chevy blazer was made in shreveport La so that makes it pretty dog on american to me.
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Monday, November 15, 2010 - 01:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

remember the Mexicans consider themselves 'American' NAFTA doesnt do anything to dissuade that notion.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Monday, November 15, 2010 - 02:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I bet the replacement parts to keep your Blazer running come from a Mexican or Canadian plant.

The longer you drive it the less domestic parts content it contains.
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Buellkowski
Posted on Monday, November 15, 2010 - 04:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My Honda Odyssey and its drivetrain were manufactured in Alabama by American Honda Motor Company, headquartered in California and employer of tens of thousands of Americans. The vehicle has a 75% "domestic content" (US/Canada) rating. My dad still thinks it's a Japanese car because it says "Honda".

I think it's an American car. But that's just me.
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Froggy
Posted on Monday, November 15, 2010 - 04:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

Still "American"?




Yes.

Despite the Toyota brainwashing they play on TV, GM still employs several times more Americans (68,500), and has something in the area of 40 factories in the US in operation today. GM global HQ is in Detroit. Yes they are a global company with their hands in pretty much every corner of the globe, but they are still an American company. HD has a plant in Brazil and soon India, are they not an American company too?
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Mr_grumpy
Posted on Monday, November 15, 2010 - 04:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Ducxl
Posted on Monday, November 15, 2010 - 05:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Still "American"?

NOPE.

The thing is,with them buying a large percentage of GM stock(it IS significannt isn't it?)they'll want to STEER the company thru their appointed board member(s).

Then follow the money.

Ford is a global company.WHO owns Ford?

Bought a COOL new pair of American manufactured "7forallmankind" jeans last weekend.
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Iamarchangel
Posted on Monday, November 15, 2010 - 05:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What is being missed in the "American" discussion is that identification has different meanings to the CEOs than it does to you and I.

Personal differences aside, we think of an American company as one that "blesses and is blessed by" American content. We think that such a company will share our sacrifices and gains. We think that it will understand national and local issues. We think that loyalty to such a company will be a two-way street.

Naive.

That's not the way the CEOs or the shareholders think. They resent any protectionism or isolationism. They have no plan for the exclusive benefit of America.

Look up the recent telling off the CEO of Cat gave Asia (last week?). That sums up their argument.

They see themselves as tied to no nation. For that, I would suggest they are not "American" in the way that we would use that word.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Monday, November 15, 2010 - 05:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I will buy Ford for the simple reason that they did NOT take Obama money.

Until recently, Ford didn't offer anything as a product I was interested in.

I really like the latest line-up.


Getting to buy "American" is a bonus to getting a really great product.
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Court
Posted on Thursday, December 02, 2010 - 03:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

>>>I will buy Ford for the simple reason that they did NOT take Obama money.


I will too . . . but I am just leaving the dealer . . . came in for a $3.00 light bulb and am leaving $2,425.12 lighter in the wallet . . .

Ouch . . . kids may get lumps of coal for Christmas.

: )
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