| Author | Message | ||
     Crusty |
My Moto Guzzi Norge requires 10W-60 racing oil. I've found a source that sells it by the case for less than $12.00/Liter, delivered to my house. Now, Syn3 costs about the same amount, and I bet the 10W-60 is better oil. It's got lots of ZDDP, Riboflavin and very little MSG, and supposedly is a much better oil. Ferraris and high end BMW cars specify it. I bet my XT and Terri's Ss would run faster and jump higher if I started using it. What do you think? | ||
| Ducxl |
I think we're past Hubbert's "peak oil".THey say it happened a year or so ago.Now we begin the long decline. | ||
| Redbuelljunkie |
If the 10W-60 is a 100% full synthetic, then it is better than the semi-syn SYN3. However, unless your bike is approved for a 60 weight oil, your performance won't improve by using it- in fact, it could decrease performance... or worse. Use the heaviest weight oil approved by your manufacturer for the lowest ambient temperature you will be riding in. | ||
| Etennuly |
THAT is why I prefer Cheese Whiz!  It comes in a handy spray can, does not need to be refrigerated, and if you have enough in the crank case.....it tastes pretty good too! | ||
| Ourdee |
MSG triggers my migraines, so I won't be going near it. Honestly though, I'm at 17,000 and am thinking of using something different from the HD 10w40 in my Uly. What would you suggest Crusty? I'm going to keep the formula plus in the front hole for winter. | ||
| Whisperstealth |
Mobile 1 15-50 for winter. I mixed a qt of 10-40 with a 1.5qt 15-50 last week. The 10-40 cause it was on clearance and I got it cheap. Comes out to 13-47 or something like that. Got the 15-50 at the evil WW, they still had some. Will most likely run amsoil 20-50 again, come next summer. | ||
| Gentleman_jon |
I think I'll just shoot myself if I ever get into another oil thread. How about you?  | ||
| Prof_stack |
Amsoil 20W-50 MC oil. That's all you need. | ||
| Blk_uly |
+1 Amsoil!!! no confusion about which oil in what hole just dump the same in all holes | ||
| Crusty |
I think I'll just shoot myself if I ever get into another oil thread. How about you? Naw; I won't shoot you. Especially after you've shot yourself. | ||
| Gunut75 |
I'm goin Amsoil in both next year. I just turned 18k, well on my way to 19. | ||
| Ducxl |
Golden Spectro Platinum4 10w40 in a couple bikes' and Mobil-1 4T 15w-50 in the other two bikes'. Synthetic only.I say NO to Amsoil. John,we caught a glimpse of you at the Italian bike day.We caught up with with "Scott_in_NH" on his S3 who was looking forward to meeting you.Too bad. | ||
| Whisperstealth |
I say NO to Amsoil Why? | ||
| Ducxl |
}Why? No proper dealer network.I gotta buy it from some guy.Lack of trust | ||
| Redbuelljunkie |
Amsoil has a very efficient and equitable dealer network that is designed to help the little guy. Every single item sold at Amsoil is credited to an Independent Dealer- which means someone like you and me, working out of their home, gets income from Amsoil sales. There is no money wasted on salesmen, administrators, and the included bureaucracy that comes with the typical business model. The money saved is passed on to Amsoil's customers in the form of lower prices. Having all sales go through Independent Dealers also removes the politics, cronyism, monopolies, and other distasteful business practices that occur with other business models. The best part is- everyone who orders Amsoil products gets to choose who will get the credit for the sale. If you don't know an Independent Dealer, or don't care, one is chosen at random. It doesn't get any more proper than that- you choose the guy you like and trust as your dealer. Simple. Honest. Ethical. You will not see Amsoil products in "big box" stores because that takes profits away from the little guy and puts it in the pocket of the corporations. Every shop that stocks Amsoil has been set up through an Independent Dealer as a Retail On-The-Shelf Account, and that Dealer gets commission for signing up the shop. The shop is not a dealer, they retail Amsoil products- the Dealer is guy like you and me working out of his home. The harder you work as an Independent Amsoil Dealer, the more money you will make. It's a very straight-forward and fair system that protects the Independent Dealer from unfair advantages and shady business practices. Of course, some Dealers will be better than others, just like everything else in the business world- but with Amsoil you get to choose who you want to do business with, and keep the slackers from getting credit they don't deserve. I wish there were more retail networks like Amsoil out there, it's how I prefer business to be done- honest, equitable, and fair. | ||
| Ducxl |
Sounds like the Tupperware/Silpada products our wives get together to chit-chat/cluck about and have home parties and the like.Just what i thought.Can we have parties and invite friends over along with the Amsoil dealer and get gifts too? It's a freakin oil thread.I dislike Amsoil is all.Garbage as far as i'm concerned.I'll stick with the industry standards. | ||
| Redbuelljunkie |
Oh, my bad, I thought it was just a case of you misunderstanding how Amsoil operates. Now it's clear that you not only don't understand anything about Amsoil or its products, you have some personal issues as well. Good luck with that. Back to a rational oil discussion... | ||
| Blk_uly |
I thought the answer to "I say NO to am-soil" would be like causing the stator to die prematurely or something like that . Not "NO proper dealer net work" were used to that! After all we are Buell Owners, right? | ||
| Badlionsfan |
My goal is to be a triple A "independent dealer". Amware Amsoil Avon I'll sell you oil and worthless junk out of the trunk of a pink Cadillac. | ||
| Blk_uly |
The pink caddy is Mary K Just saying. LOL | ||
| Badlionsfan |
You're right, Bad job by me. | ||
| Gearhead |
I'll sell you all the AMSOIL products you need!  | ||
| Gearhead |
Actually, I'll get you next to my AMSOIL dealer. Great products, great dealer who sponsors four of us racing Buells. AMSOIL believes in the small guy, dealers and racers. I just got my oil analysis back from running the same oil ALL year and it specs out as good as any brand new oil. Pretty impressive stuff!! | ||
| Whisperstealth |
Gearhead, That all racing season, or in your street bike? If street, how many miles? | ||
| Crusty |
Actually; if Amsoil made 10W-60, I'd try it. However, when I got the Norge, I sent them an e-mail, and they don't. I've been buying AGIP 10W-60 by the case from American AGIP. With shipping, it costs me $142.00 for 12 1-liter bottles. That comes out to $11.84/Liter. Since the local H-D shop sells Syn3 for $11.95/Quart, I think the price is in the same ballpark. The AGIP is a full synthetic oil, and it's specified by Moto Guzzi for my Norge. It's also specified for Ferraris and other high end luxury sports car engines, so I'll continue to use it in the Guzzi. I'm thinking that a 10W-60 might be a better oil in the Buells as the temperatures drop for the colder months, as it should flow better than a 20W-50 at freezing temperatures. My Buell owners' manual says that a 10W-40 oil is good in sub freezing temps, so a 10W-60 should also be O.K. to my way of thinking. | ||
| Redbuelljunkie |
Whisper, I have Amsoil in all of my vehicles, and I send a sample to Blackstone Labs to have each one analyzed. The result from my '08 XB12R after 12 months/688 track-only miles tested same as new oil (including TBN). I have also run Amsoil in an '03 Triumph TT600, an '07 Aprilia RSV1000R, an '08 Triumph Street Triple R, an '07 Jeep Grand Cherokee CRD (diesel), an '07 Porsche 987C, an '08 Land Rover LR2, and will be putting it in an '06 MV Agusta Brutale 910S and an '02 Triumph Sprint ST at the next oil change. I actually test the oil that comes out of the vehicles when I change over to Amsoil so I will have an apples-to-apples comparison at the subsequent oil change/analysis. Every Amsoil test result has returned with Blackstone's recommendation of extending the oil change interval- even when I have doubled the manufacturer's suggested maintenance schedule. When I had the Mobil 1 in my Porsche changed earlier than Porsche's recommended 2 year interval, however, it had sheared from a 30 weight down to a 20 weight. I will have the Amsoil tested at the same interval to see if it performs as well or better than the Mobil 1. I have no doubt it will test better than the Mobil 1. Crusty, While it is true that a 10W rated oil will be less viscous at 0C than a 20W rated oil at 0C, if they are both high-quality full synthetics they both will flow at well below -20F (Amsoil MCV 20W-50 flows at -47F). So unless you are riding in arctic conditions, there's not a huge difference in their cold-start performance. The important factor here is the operating temperature viscosity- your bike needs to be approved for a 60 weight oil at operating temp (100C). Obviously, your MG is approved for it, I don't know if your Buells are or not. You should never exceed the heaviest weight oil approved by your manufacturer. Additionally, in order to make a multi-grade oil it is necessary to use additives (polymers) that help keep the oil flowing when cold (0C) and from thinning at operating temperature (100C). The greater the difference between the cold (Winter) rating and operating weight, the more additives are necessary, and these additives are subject to shear. When shearing occurs, the oil loses performance faster than an oil with less additives, so using an oil with a lower number spread between the Winter rating and operating weight will perform better during extended use. For those with an issue with how Amsoil operates, I'm at a total loss for why you have a problem with it. The only answer that makes any sense is that you just don't understand the system- and it's quite simple. Anyone can buy Amsoil online at Amsoil.com at retail price and have it sent directly to your home. You also have the choice to become a Preferred Customer, and for $20 a year buy Amsoil products online at dealer wholesale cost and have them sent directly to your home. For $30 a year you can sign up as a Dealer and have the added bonus of selling Amsoil at retail, and earning commission for catalog sales, signing up Preferred Customers, Retail-On-The-Shelf Accounts, and Commercial Accounts. You can be as involved, or as disinterested as you want to be- buy it online at retail, buy it in a shop at retail, buy it online at wholesale, become a dealer... the customer has all the options. If you want a specific Dealer to get the credit for your purchases, enter their dealer number when you order. If you don't care, choose no one- it doesn't matter, right? If you don't want to use Amsoil- don't buy it. What I don't get is the people who feel the need to attack Amsoil for some strange personal reason when they don't understand either the product or how Amsoil works. It's sad, really. Also Crusty, My MV currently has Agip 10W-60 in it, but I will replace it with Amsoil MCV 20W-50 (MV approves both a 50 and 60 weight oil). I will have Blackstone test both samples to see if either is superior for my application. If the Amsoil tests the same or better than the Agip, I'll use it (and I have no doubt it will). However, if the Agip proves better, I'll switch back to a 10W-60 (there are a few different options in this weight) and hope Amsoil adds this weight to their line. BTW- Amsoil does have an SAE 60 weight premium motorcycle oil (MCS), but it does not currently have a Winter rating. (Message edited by redbuelljunkie on November 01, 2010) | ||
| Etennuly |
Personally, I am going to shoot everyone in the oil thread and go home knowing I am right and no one can dispute it(without getting shot anyway)!  Now if you will excuse me.....I have to go cook my OKRA in a TEFLON pan!  | ||
| Sifo |
Peter, thanks for the synopsis on how the Amsoil network works. Honestly the dealer network has been my biggest hurdle in using Amsoil. I've never found what I need when I need it. My last oil change I happened to see it at the local MC shop and tried it in my primary. I was curious if I would see the miracle results that some claim (no clunking, smoother shifting, harder erection, etc.). Honestly no difference I could tell, but I do see it as an alternative to HD oil and don't doubt it's high quality based on lab tests that have been posted. It just doesn't cure the design of the HD transmission IMHO. It would be nice to know that I can find my choice of oil when on the road if I need to top off, but few oils I want to run are universally available when on the road. That was the one nice thing about using Syn3, it's at every HD shop. I guess I'll just have to start packing an extra quart for road trips. If they can get it to my house in a timely manner that works for me. Do you have to order by the case, or will they ship single quarts? | ||
| Redbuelljunkie |
You can order a single item, or a pallet full of cases- it's your choice. The larger your order, the more money you'll save because the shipping costs are spread over more items. Signing up as Preferred Customer makes the most sense because just by ordering one case of oil you save enough to offset the $20 membership, and you get everything at dealer wholesale price for a year. If you plan your services in advance and place an order for everything you need, you'll both save money and have all your supplies on hand, at home, when you need them. It really makes sense. PM me if you'd like to know more, and if you'd prefer a BadWeB member to get credit for your Amsoil purchases. | ||
| Sifo |
Thanks and that's great to know. Amsoil will find itself in my bikes next year. |
