| Author | Message | ||
     Ft_bstrd |
http://blogs.ktla.com/news_custom_eric/2010/10/man -fired-for-wearing-bush-sweatshirt-at-obama-rally. html | ||
| Gunut75 |
He won't lose his job. I'm guessing the union is gonna have a "Whoopsie daize" on this one. I'd be kinda pi5sed though. His BA needs to slow down the vacuum cleaner.  | ||
| Roadcouch98 |
I read the Article last night, and searched, but did not find out who Obama was 'Stumping' for. Anyone know ? | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Barbara Boxer I believe. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I also don't think the $100,000,000 of union dues spent by unions represents "looking out for the little guy". | ||
| Iamarchangel |
Union Rep here: don't take everything at face value. Maybe he knew, maybe he didn't, that would be setting up a political stage. Maybe he honestly didn't connect the dots. However, we have a shop rule in our place that this would be violating. As a union rep, looking out for the whole membership, I want to make sure that we would get more contracts for setting up stages. Customers need to know that we would be politically neutral while being paid by them. In other contexts, I have asked people to change, turn it inside out, or go home. It's embarrassing for both of us but the rule was there before the action. Most people co-operate. | ||
| Iamarchangel |
Haha, see what happens if a customer, let alone a stage hand, wears a Slash shirt to a GnR concert. | ||
| Teeps |
Ft_bstrd Posted on Saturday, October 23, 2010 Barbara Boxer I believe. Roger that FT B; a sad state of affairs. | ||
| Just_ziptab |
I thought "tolerance" was supposed to be the new way??? Guess not......... | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
How exactly is an aircraft carrier political? | ||
| Sifo |
Even if it were political, does a union worker check his first amendment rights when he shows up for work? I'm not saying he has the right to ignore doing his job and instead spout political speech on his boss's dime, but wearing a shirt with a political message wouldn't effect his productivity one bit. It was seen as political simply as a knee jerk reaction by someone who almost certainly feels rage when a nursery advertises a bush sale. | ||
| Keef |
come on FB you aren't really that dense are you... ok ok,... it is the name G.W. BUSH who was prez a few years back remember? The obambam crowd are quite touchy around that name....... | ||
| Cityxslicker |
when they can fire you for what you wear how long before they imprision/shoot you for what you think? Amendment II A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. Whats in your ammo rack?  | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
NSFW the dude new better... he was looking for his 15 min. | ||
| Ourdee |
City, I'll pm a pic of what's not locked up. I'm not posting pics of the safes. | ||
| Iamike |
If my son were stationed on the ship GHW Bush, I'd be pretty proud and would want to wear those clothes all the time. Maybe those union thugs were too dumb to know that there was a previous Bush as president. | ||
| Ourdee |
Iamike, They don't like him either. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
oh hellz yeah, there is no way I post the pic of what I got, what was passed down, what was machined, what has been altered, and the wall of ammo to feed them. though most here know I do pack the five shot 38/357 for conceal and carry. | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
"Land of the Free" ? I'm starting to wonder. Bottom of the article now sports this. ***UPDATE: Duane Hammond says union officials called him this afternoon to apologize for the incident. He say they are "bending over backwards" to make it up to him. I expect the supervisor will have his ass in a sling come Monday. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I wasn't aware that the Navy had "liberal" ships and "conservative" ships. I was also not aware that folks in the Navy could choose which ship on which they served. I guess this means that all the women and gay men are on one ship? The U.S.S. Village People? As a hypothetical, what would happen if a stage crew were setting up for the next Republican President and one of the crew members wore a sweatshirt and hat for the USS William Clinton on which his which is serving and was asked by someone on the President's staff to remove it? What would the union representative's reaction be? My guess is that it wouldn't be to fire the guy. | ||
| Iamarchangel |
Sifo: I can't answer specifically for this situation. Yes, of course, you'd check in your freedom of speech once you're working. Try and slag your boss or coworker and claim that freedom. That is not what it's meant for. That's the deal, that's what you get paid for. You sell your time and during that time you do what they tell you as long as it safe and within the agreement. But, again as a rep, here's an issue with the story: he says he's fired, he says the union sent him home. Understand that the union can't fire someone, that's management's role. I can see a union getting somebody off the job site to save their job. And I can see everybody doing a song and dance afterwards to make up to the guy if he really is doing it for his son. What is the real story here: fired or sent home; political or patriotic? But back to basic principles: would you expect a political party to hire my crew in the future if somebody expressed a different political front at the job site? My role is to protect the jobs of the whole membership. Yes, it's tough and it can made up for it privately. Yes, if he came under my union responsibility, I'd get him off the job site too. | ||
| Sifo |
Iamarchangel, I don't know how it works in Canada, but here we have a Constitution that is not overridden by a union. If he was doing his job his shirt is not an issue. It would be different if they had a policy covering dress code, but nothing is mentioned about that and it is highly unlikely for that type of work. Why do you say that a supervisor can't fire someone? They may or may not have the authority to do that. Bottom line is that the supervisor is the authority on the job site and if he fired someone without the authority it's going to be up to the company to straighten it all out, but the firing still happened. This is where the company can get into trouble for the actions of the supervisor. But back to basic principles: would you expect a political party to hire my crew in the future if somebody expressed a different political front at the job site? My role is to protect the jobs of the whole membership. You couldn't be more wrong. You have no authority to violate someones Constitutional rights. It just doesn't work that way on this side of the border. EDIT: And given all of that, it's hard to call a shirt and a hat showing the name of a military ship political speech. (Message edited by SIFO on October 23, 2010) | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
It wasn't even like GWB orchestrated the naming of the ship. The ship was ordered and named under Clinton as part of the 2000/2001 fiscal year that began October 1,2000 and ended September 30, 2001. I guess if he was wearing an SSN-23 Jimmy Carter hat and sweatshirt during a Bush rally, it would be political? | ||
| Ourdee |
So, It was Clinton's fault. And wearing anything with carter's name on it would be indicative of stupidity. | ||
| Prof_stack |
He was not fired after all. The union said they would make it up to him. The whole thing was an overreaction by some zealots. Bring back civility and common sense! | ||
| Kenm123t |
NEWS FLASH POLITICAL SPEECH IS TOTALLY PROTECTED SPEECH liberals (control FREAKS ) want everyones but thier speech controlled Juan Williams is an example liberal mind and speech control. | ||
| Iamarchangel |
Sifo: I don't want to get into it here, but you're wrong. Google it. Your constitution protect you from government censorship, not the bosses. It's not an absolute right. You got confused on the management part. I am saying the supervisor can fire. Here's how I see it playing out, based on what I've read here and my experience. 1. President is coming. 2. Tall man in dark suit and sunglasses and headphones walks through the job site. Probably more than ones suit walking through. He sees buddy in a Bush shirt. 3. Suit doesn't bother to look or care that it's a ship not a political name. (see 9) 4. Suit tells contract company rep that he wants man to remove shirt or go off site. 5. Contract tells supervisor he wants man to remove shirt or go off site. 6. Supervisor tells man to remove shirt or go off site. 7. Man is upset. Refuses and call union. 8. Union hears issue, sees big picture and risk of discipline to worker, encourages him to remove shirt or go off site. Takes him off site. Initial problem solved. 9. Because, of course, if I had these brand new mementoes of my son's service, I'd wear them to a dirty and physical labour construction site in bad weather, who wouldn't? 10. Union will investigate if worker "officially" knew the focus of the job. If yes, see what management does in the morning. If no, get him his day's pay for being arbitrarily sent home. 11. Either way, he'll most likely get paid for the day. | ||
| Ourdee |
#10. Good union rep. will tell worker that he knows that the worker didn't know the focus of the job, and that is why we will be able to get you paid. Should explain to the worker how he can say he is sorry (he got caught). If I found out about the suit, I'd...er..uh..never mind. | ||
| Kc10_fe |
Being a Union Elevator guy and a Air Force Reservist I might just invite everyone involved to suck a spud wrench and enjoy a 3 day weekend. I would expect my agent to see whats on the shirt and act with common sense. My boss being prior Navy would also offer a proper GFY here. The PC police strike again. | ||
| Sifo |
Iamarchangel, It,s unfortunate that you see a constitutional right ending at a days pay. It's far bigger than that. Even the guys with sunglasses and headsets don't have the right to send him home based on what he's wearing, he's a construction worker on a construction site, not a member of a carefully screened audience for dear leader to be fawned over. BTW, your #9 shows profound ignorance. My brother wears this kind of stuff ALL the time. He's got one son in the Army and another in the Marines. The Marine is heading to Afghanistan in about a week. It's not a memento, it's a display of pride. |
