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     Drkside79 |
Lol Wolf I guess then you need to drink a little more and find a nice Taiwanese hooker with one leg and a mean left hook to settle down with. | ||
| Whatever |
I would venture to guess you are already showering with gay men if you are in the armed services... pretending to be straight men... wouldn't you rather want to know who's zooming whom? Wolfie, no more about penis puss please keep it to yourself...  | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
wouldn't you rather want to know who's zooming whom? all joking aside... that kinda info might get you a quick trip off the 3Rd deck of the barracks | ||
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| F_skinner |
Air Force.... AIM HIGH.... and miss That is funny Mark, never heard that one before.
Quote from SgtMaj Jim Skinner, USMC Retired. Semper Fi Marines Apparently I am a retired fat nerd...  | ||
| Whatever |
This one is even better... | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
You don't have to be stupid to be in the Marine Corps, but it sure does help it sure does... | ||
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| Sifo |
Holy cow... some surprisingly ignorant people on here. A choice? Whatever has already explained why no one would make that choice. I don't need to add anything. It has nothing to do with upbringing. Explain how two siblings can have different sexual orientations. Explain how gay parents can raise straight children. It's just the way something is. Did you sit in your room one night and just 'decide' that chicks were hot? No, it just was. And a disease that could/should be cured? I have brown hair - I think Hitler saw that as a disease as well. Yes Whatever did explain quite well why no sane person would make that choice, just as no sane person would choose to live with autism. The big difference is that we are trying to understand what brings on autism and cure it to give people the choice to live without it. Why would you not want to give gays that same choice? If it is indeed the sane choice as you claim it seems like the humane thing to do. Comparing this to what Hitler did is ridiculous. Nobody here is talking about exterminating gays. This isn't Iran. | ||
| Whatever |
Looks like it was de-listed as an illness from the DSM in 1973... oh, some 37 years ago... I'd say that some people are a litte behind the times... The American Psychological Association, the American Psychiatric Association, and the National Association of Social Workers state: “ In 1952, when the American Psychiatric Association published its first Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, homosexuality was included as a disorder. Almost immediately, however, that classification began to be subjected to critical scrutiny in research funded by the National Institute of Mental Health. That study and subsequent research consistently failed to produce any empirical or scientific basis for regarding homosexuality as a disorder or abnormality, rather than a normal and healthy sexual orientation. As results from such research accumulated, professionals in medicine, mental health, and the behavioral and social sciences reached the conclusion that it was inaccurate to classify homosexuality as a mental disorder and that the DSM classification reflected untested assumptions based on once-prevalent social norms and clinical impressions from unrepresentative samples comprising patients seeking therapy and individuals whose conduct brought them into the criminal justice system. In recognition of the scientific evidence, the American Psychiatric Association removed homosexuality from the DSM in 1973, stating that “homosexuality per se implies no impairment in judgment, stability, reliability, or general social or vocational capabilities.” After thoroughly reviewing the scientific data, the American Psychological Association adopted the same position in 1975, and urged all mental health professionals “to take the lead in removing the stigma of mental illness that has long been associated with homosexual orientations.” The National Association of Social Workers has adopted a similar policy. Thus, mental health professionals and researchers have long recognized that being homosexual poses no inherent obstacle to leading a happy, healthy, and productive life, and that the vast majority of gay and lesbian people function well in the full array of social institutions and interpersonal relationships. | ||
| Xl1200r |
Yes Whatever did explain quite well why no sane person would make that choice, just as no sane person would choose to live with autism. The big difference is that we are trying to understand what brings on autism and cure it to give people the choice to live without it. Why would you not want to give gays that same choice? If it is indeed the sane choice as you claim it seems like the humane thing to do. This is rather obtuse of you. Sexual preference is like any other preference - you don't 'decide' to like something, you just so. Did you have to make a conscience decision to like Buell's? No - what a Buell is is just inherently attractive to you. Guess what - they aren't to some other people. Those people are no less "diseased" than someone who's gay. I like the TV show Fringe. I didn't "decide" to like it, I just do. My girlfriend loves my dog (and dogs in general) - did she decide that? Or is it more likely that it's just intrinsic? Some guys like small boobs, fat bodies, gapped tooth and/or hairy-legged women... Are they diseased? | ||
| Sifo |
Sexual preference is like any other preference - you don't 'decide' to like something, you just so. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/preference+ pref·er·ence [pref-er-uhns, pref-ruhns] –noun 1. the act of preferring. 2. the state of being preferred. 3. that which is preferred; choice: His preference is vanilla, not chocolate. So it's a choice then? Seriously, autism isn't something you choose, it just is. It isn't normal though, and it isn't preferred, so we look for a cure. Thus, mental health professionals and researchers have long recognized that being homosexual poses no inherent obstacle to leading a happy, healthy, and productive life, and that the vast majority of gay and lesbian people function well in the full array of social institutions and interpersonal relationships. That makes it sound like something a sane person just might choose. Both of you have me confused on where you stand on this. Is it a choice or an abnormality? | ||
| Whatever |
It is neither... is it really that hard to grasp... it is not a choice AND it is not abnormal... really, you are joking, right?  That was my entire point... it seems to me that those that argue that it is a disease and/or a choice are of the same mind set that people used to use for racial bigotry... like the fundamentalist mormons that still think blacks are evil... or the middle eastern sects that think women are inferior and dangerous... Please, tell me you are joking Sifo. Any shred of respect I had left for you just vanished... I am just stunned. Shocked. Do people really still think that way? | ||
| Ourdee |
The Outcast episode is about a world where male/female relationships are sick. | ||
| Johnnymceldoo |
People don't choose to be gay. I think gays should be free to join the military but the choice should ultimately be made by military commanders who know how to make the best military force. Some of the nicest caring people I've met have been gay and I can't imagine the ridicule and pain they've had to endure. | ||
| Ourdee |
or the middle eastern sects that think women are inferior and dangerous... Women are dangerous! | ||
| Whatever |
Well, yeah, sort of, but would you want it any other way...  | ||
| Sifo |
So it's a "normal" condition that only a small percentage of people have (that normally means not-normal, but OK), but no sane person would choose to have this condition, even though it allows you to lead a perfectly happy normal life. OK I think I've got it now. It makes no sense, but I've got it. | ||
| Froggy |
It is estimated that 37% of men have participated in homosexual activities. There are tons of studies with all kinds of different results, do some reading. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_sexua l_orientation | ||
| Sifo |
From a slightly more reliable source than wikipedia...
http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_m ental_health.html | ||
| Sifo |
That same link also discusses the problems with the Kinsey study that wiki somehow get's it's 37% stat from. Sounds like someone is posting BS on wiki. Imagine...
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| Froggy |
Like I said, tons of different studies with different results. Still, it is a much higher occurrence rate than autism no matter where you get your data. | ||
| Ourdee |
We think autism should be cured? What does the autistic person want? How do we know that they are not living in a euphoric state and do not wish to be "cured"? I used to black out a lot when I was younger. I never went to a doctor about it. I enjoyed it. It was like some one shoved me into a room filled with nitrous oxide. I even heard the strange heartbeat echo that turned into a reverberating buzzing echo (pink floyd sounds). Everything would go numb and as I came out of it, it was like my whole body had fell asleep. The numb would quickly go away. I knew people that would pay good money for what I got for free. Now, in my older age, I can stop it from happening but only do so if I'm not sitting down in a safe situation. Funny thing is that people around me never really notice. I only came close to getting caught once, because I lost my balance when standing. One of these days I'll probably pop a gasket, it won't be a painful exit though. What were we talking about? Oh,  | ||
| Sifo |
Would you be more comfortable comparing it to a disorder that has a higher rate? Perhaps depression? It really has no bearing on the discussion of homosexuality. | ||
| Froggy |
Well you are the one that thinks its a disorder and is discussing the possibility of a cure. | ||
| Sifo |
We think autism should be cured? What does the autistic person want? Well it was already established that no sane person would choose to be gay. The obvious implication is that if they don't want a "cure" they must be insane. So far I'm just following what others have put forth. It's almost impossible to put together a big picture though, because the definition of if homosexuality constantly shifts from choice to... affliction??? depending on the point they are trying to make. | ||
| Boltrider |
I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned it yet, and I don't have the patience to read through everything and check. In regards to whether or not homosexuality is a choice - I don't think it is, at least for the most part. There have been numerous documented cases of homosexuality in the animal kingdom. I just can't see how someone can argue that a duck or some sheep one day "decided" to be gay. Because of this, it's much more logical (at least in my mind) to believe that genetics and brain chemistry are a major factor in the determination of sexual orientation, at least in the animal kingdom. Considering all this, I don't think it's too much of a stretch to extend that theory to humans. | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
I almost cried.... LMAO!! | ||
| Sifo |
Well you are the one that thinks its a disorder and is discussing the possibility of a cure. What would you have us do about a condition that no sane person would choose for themselves? Doesn't it seem inhumane to deny them help? | ||
| Sifo |
Considering all this, I don't think it's too much of a stretch to extend that theory to humans. Agreed. If it is a brain chemistry thing, then there's a real possibility of developing medication that would return them to a normal brain chemistry. Seems many would want to deny them that therapy however. |
