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Guell
| | Posted on Thursday, October 21, 2010 - 10:19 pm: | 
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can you say vw jetta tdi wut wut. |
Rah7777777
| | Posted on Thursday, October 21, 2010 - 11:59 pm: |
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My old 01 TDI did 39 mpg in 100% city and 46 on 100% highway. It was modded so it was less then a stock TDI but still damn good.
My dad recently traded his Prius in for a new ford truck and he couldn't be happier!
Until a couple years ago, I NEVER liked Ford.
I was a Chevy fan!
Now-a-days.... I'd buy a new Ford over a new Chevy.
But I'll never buy a new vehicle.
Only reason I have a Silverado is because I picked it up so cheap. I like it, great truck, runs strong but probably my last Chevy for a while. Especially since it'll be at minimum 5-6 years before I buy another vehicle ( making my truck 15-16 years old, haha ) |
Pwnzor
| | Posted on Friday, October 22, 2010 - 12:22 am: |
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HA! My 23 year old Honda gets better mileage and cost me $39000 less! |
Pwnzor
| | Posted on Friday, October 22, 2010 - 12:27 am: |
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I've always been a Ford guy except for hot rods, and for that I go old-school Mopar.
Ford trucks have always been the best in my opinion.
1997 F150, 2000 F250, 2002 F650, and behind it, barely visible is a 2002 Ranger stakebed. |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Friday, October 22, 2010 - 12:29 am: |
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I'm all for quick swap batteries, electric cars, solar power. but.
Simply because the electricity is there anyway.
Uh, no, it's not. You have to build more power plants. btu's, amp hours, gallons of gas... all power that must be had to be expended. We are near capacity now.
I'm all for more power. ( add Tim Taylor grunt )
The rating of 230 is a deceit. If you do the tested loop & don't count the initial charge, and live in a warm place, and lie to yourself....
What it gets with battery drained isn't exactly the right answer either. Your real world mileage is going to be dependent on length of trip and past a certain point will be nearly the same no matter the distance.
If I had mathcad loaded on this machine, I'd post the curve. I'm quite curious what a Volt will get on my personal daily commute, different distances that friends live, and sea to sea cannonballs. Also where the curve goes asymptotic.
That doesn't mean the car sucks. I'm curious about it's transmission/motor/engine/generator setup.
I've heard some interesting things are coming from the mad scientists, but nothing I can report. Why? see this movie.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0115857/ |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Friday, October 22, 2010 - 12:42 am: |
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A buncha car companies got together to develop a motor that fits where the flywheel goes between the trans & engine. I'm not sure this is it, but it's a good idea.
batteries aren't good/cheap enough...
http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/jay-leno/vint age/4215940
Jay wrote an article years ago comparing his Chevy ( the now crushed rental )electric to his old Baker. The new one got 5 more miles a charge. After 100 years... too bad we haven't worked longer on the energy storage problem. Superconductive loop capacitors?
Putting a motor in each wheel is a bad idea, because of unsprung weight. ( we're the Trilogy of Tech guys remember? ) You could mount the motors inboard and run short driveshafts, and get the same advantages offered. Like independent suspension and electronic traction control. |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Friday, October 22, 2010 - 12:43 am: |
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http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/alternative-f uel/electric/4296274 |
Brumbear
| | Posted on Friday, October 22, 2010 - 07:41 am: |
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Aesquire I don't totaly agree. I believe the power is there, they are building new power plants anyway and it is much the same IMO that its like an alternater and shunts off the excess there is plenty enough big power being generated but thats my opinion and your point is very valid. I wish I knew how much power is generated and how much is actually used without biased studies.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/electricity/epa/epa_s um.html this gives you an idea we are actually using less electricity now than in 2000. Also natural gas is moving up by an average of 7% a year as the main fuel used to fire the generaters is how it looks. |
Mr_grumpy
| | Posted on Friday, October 22, 2010 - 08:46 am: |
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Look here, the solution is very simple.
You all vote Calif***ingornia out of the Union, then you'll have access to all the well made, economic, European diesel tech that we currently enjoy here.
Simple eh?
As for Hybrid technology, I'm yet to be convinced that, they're green, when you take into account the pollution involved in battery manufacture & disposal. Or that they're energetically efficient for the same reasons plus the cost of electricity generation & distribution.
Could it be that vested interests in the petro industry don't want you to have economic vehicles? I do wonder. |
01_turbowolf
| | Posted on Friday, October 22, 2010 - 09:46 am: |
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well of course its cheap looking most work vehicles are base models vinyl seats a radio and a steering wheel. try a lariat at least they are pricey, ($43000 for a lariat). from 2009 when they brought out the 6r80 6speed the 3 valves both move pretty good. most of the 4.6's in those tucks get 22mpg or better. 22" wheels will get 25mpg with a 4.6 3v. 2011 will be great, ecoboost 3.5 365 or so hp, 5.0 at 385 hp, and the 6.2 in platinums and raptors 420 i think. raptors have em know and will burn off the 35" bfg stockers like its on ice. i cant say enough about the raptor its a grown ups tonka toy |
Court
| | Posted on Friday, October 22, 2010 - 09:53 am: |
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2010 Ford Focus getting 37.4 MPG. No complaints. |
Court
| | Posted on Friday, October 22, 2010 - 09:57 am: |
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>>>> You have to build more power plants.
This is the part of the equation that folks leave out of "clean electric power".
The decision as to if it's "clean" or not needs to be made at the smokestack where the electricity is produced, not where the tailpipe used to be.
But . . as a guy who builds power plants trying to decide what to do the next 5 years . . I am loving the offers (thanks Black & Veatch) that are coming in!
Ergo . . I'm a huge fan of electric cars but for no reasons related to the environment. |
Ft_bstrd
| | Posted on Friday, October 22, 2010 - 10:03 am: |
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Grumpy,
I think that's the best idea yet. |
Pwnzor
| | Posted on Friday, October 22, 2010 - 10:14 am: |
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Yep, I'm with Innes on this one too...
Kick Kalifornia out! |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Friday, October 22, 2010 - 06:47 pm: |
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Also elect the Madame for Gov. in NY.
NY now mirrors CA pollution law. More or less.
Brumbear, True, some juice is shunted, but the capacity is turned up and down for the time of day & year. A hot day sucks a lot of juice, both from the millions of AC's going and the increased resistance.
You & I can have an electric car, no problem. 100 million electric cars? Real Problem.
Without using any real numbers... If we use 25 jillion Kcals to make electricity, and 15 jillion Kcals to push cars, if we go to electric, that means we need 45 jillion Kcals since losses go up & demand does too.
I'm all for that. More power good. But that's not the political trend. The political trend is to a religious hatred of humanity and progress. Oh, and they want less pollution too. ( that's why they want you to quit breeding parasites upon Mother Earth. Ask the eco-terrorist from the Discover Channel attack. )
It's possible that we actually are using less electricity, since many of our industrial factories are closed due to outsourcing. I doubt it though. Millions of kids have to charge their Ipods. |
Cityxslicker
| | Posted on Friday, October 22, 2010 - 09:42 pm: |
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In Jr High my shop teacher had the end all beat all arguement against these 'greener' vehicles (25 years ago)
What are you going to do between Ritzville and Moses Lake; plug it into a current bush?
time less. If you cant make it 80 miles in a cross wind that is 30-50 mph consistently, at free way speeds, what good are ya?
meh, |
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