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     Danger_dave |
...or your part of the world? The NZ Police have been conducting a 'Motorcycle Safety Initiative. Basically they set up a road block and stop all bikes, give them a vehicle and licence check and a chat. Here's the official angles: http://kiwiridermagazine.blogspot.com/2010/10/poli ce-statement-increased-coromandel.html Comments for my web site? (Message edited by danger_dave on October 19, 2010) | ||
| Cityxslicker |
ooooh safety ?.... or licensing fees and fines?.... Knobbies for the win | ||
| Blake |
Not likely in most states. Maybe in some of the more socialist leaning ones like California. Police here cannot hold/detain you without cause. Being forced to endure a safety lecture would seem to run contrary to that. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Stuff like that happens in real problem areas, and ask Court about how they "tow" bikes in NY. But I think there still has to be some level of legal violation for that to happen. We have "sobriety checkpoints" here in the states occasionally also, and they have been found constitutional, but it is always a fight. I don't think it would go over well here... | ||
| Blake |
"associated social cost" Evil meddling nanny state garbage. | ||
| Barker |
I think it is a very bad idea. Do fireman go door-to-door ordering to inspect fire extinguishers and smoke alarms then chat about safety? A waste of time and tax payers dollars. Nice intent, terrible execution. We have had similar in the US. "Traffic Backed Up For "Miles" Leaving Miller Motorsports Park" http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2010/May/100530prot ectandserv.htm | ||
| Xbrad9r |
That is what was happening on the Dragon for a while, but only to sportbike riders in full leathers...I got through on my firebolt because I had on jeans and had my son on the back | ||
| Doerman |
Motorbike Crashes in NZ made up 25% of the total cost of claims to the ACC Motor vehicle account. Motorcycles account for 25% of what kind of claim? | ||
| Doerman |
Maybe in some of the more socialist leaning ones like California. You may say a lot about CA. However, CA's attitude (law enforcement and the general public) is quite friendly toward motorcyclist. | ||
| Glitch |
We have road checks. Mostly where Squid hang, and or wreck. All they do is check to make sure you have a valid motorcycle endorsement and up to date license tag, and let you go if you have both. If you don't, they make you park the bike until they leave, unless you don't have insurance, then they tow your bike, and you as well. No "Safety Talks" I don't imagine that going over too well. | ||
| Danger_dave |
>>Motorcycles account for 25% of what kind of claim? << NZ has 'no fault' injury insurance subsidized by a levy. ACC - The Accident Compensation (something that starts with) C. IF you are injured in an accident your medical costs are covered by it. | ||
| Buellkowski |
ACC appears to be taxpayer-funded injury insurance. The NZ government collects taxes and subsequently pays all Kiwis' injury medical bills. http://www.acc.co.nz/ He who pays the bills makes the rules. If NZ authorities want to check you out at safety roadblocks in exchange for paying your medical bills after a crash, they may be within their rights. This is precisely the sort of thing that raises hackles in the US. No one wants to cede any more authority to the government than absolutely necessary. | ||
| Danger_dave |
>>This is precisely the sort of thing that raises hackles in the US<< There is good and bad in it. I can see the day coming where they make hi-vis clothing compulsory - to walk across the street. Conversely - Crash and you get 1st world hospital treatment at little cost. | ||
| Glitch |
They're trying something like that here with trauma care http://www.yes2savelives.com I ain't for it. I already carry insurance for me and mine, I don't want to carry the cost for others. Like was said above, once they get their foot in the door, they'll likely start with the likes of "Safety Talk Road Checks" More regulation, more government, more trouble... | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
Can't we just let nature take it's course? | ||
| Stirz007 |
I was at MMP that day and I think they pulled the plug when it backed up a couple of miles - effectively cutting off emergency access to MMP. They call those "administrative checkpoints" in these parts - effectively used to intercept contraband (fireworks, porn and liquor) from Wyoming - they usually advertise in the paper in advance of when and where. That covers the Constitutional issues - fair warning is given. At MMP they took on a bit too much - thousands of bikes - too many fish, not enough fisherman (or space in the boat). | ||
| Ducbsa |
fireworks, porn and liquor The Trifecta!! | ||
| Cityxslicker |
I thought the trifecta was a sammich, a girl in bed, and porn on the TV. George Costanza Rules for the Win | ||
| Xl1200r |
We have a touring bike rally near me. Most of the people who actually attend the events are respectable enough and well meaning - lots of BMWs, Goldwings, etc. However, the street scene, especially at night and on the weekends, is mostly Harleys and sportbikes, typically very modified and running loud exhaust (I can't say I'm not guilty, but I don't make a scene of it like others do). The residents of the town (failing to understand that the town wouldn't exist if it were for the income to the businesses from this event) have complained profusely about the noise in recent years. Cops have always been in the streets there as long as I can remember, giving tickets for loud pipes (only if you're being an ass), burnouts, showboating, etc. I don't have a problem with this. But for the last couple years, heading up the highway a few exits before where you'd get off, they've put in a motorcycle checkpoint. The stop every single bike going up the highway and make you wait to get checked out. I've always gotten off and taken back roads, but I've heard they check everything from papers to helmets and illegal modifications. If you don't pull off, there's a pack of cruisers ready to go chase you down. The whole thing seems very discriminatory to me. They paste it like a "safety" check, but everyone knows it's just the cops trying to please the town residents in a manner that puts some cash in their pocket. They could just as easily take those cops and put them in town and use them more effectively to give tickets - after a while, people with bikes that are too loud or only show up to show off (we call them loser laps when they just parade up and down the main drag) will stop coming. However, the folks who come to watch the spectacle will stop as well. I say bad idea. | ||
| Cyclonemick |
AMA seeks suspension of grant program that targets motorcyclists with checkpoints PICKERINGTON, Ohio -- A federal traffic safety agency is offering law enforcement agencies hundreds of thousands of dollars to set up checkpoints that target only motorcyclists, and the American Motorcyclist Association (AMA) wants to know why. The AMA has asked the agency, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), to suspend the grant program until questions raised by the motorcycling community are addressed. "How do motorcycle-only checkpoints increase the safety of motorcyclists?" Ed Moreland, AMA senior vice president for government relations, wrote in a letter to NHTSA Administrator David Strickland on Aug. 9. "Where do the selected states draw their authority to conduct" motorcycle-only safety checks? "Will 'probable cause' be required to stop a motorcycle under the terms of this grant program?" Moreland asked. "If so, what will constitute probable cause?" Under its Motorcycle Law Enforcement Demonstration grant program, the NHTSA will award up to $350,000 in total to be divided among as many as five law enforcement agencies to set up traffic checkpoints that target motorcyclists. The demonstration program is modeled after a controversial program in New York where the state police set up a series of checkpoints that targeted only motorcyclists, raising the ire of the AMA and motorcycling community. In 2008, for example, New York State Police announced plans to set up 15 checkpoints near motorcycling events that summer. The AMA questioned the potential discriminatory and legal nature of the program and sent a list of questions for clarification to the New York State Police. To date, New York authorities have not responded. Moreland said that if the NHTSA is truly interested in motorcyclist safety, it should fund proven programs that help prevent crashes -- rather than checkpoints that single out motorcyclists. "The primary source of motorcycle safety is in motorcycle crash prevention, and NHTSA should focus on decreasing the likelihood of crashes from occurring in the first place," Moreland said. The AMA urges all riders to contact Strickland and ask that the discriminatory Motorcycle Law Enforcement Demonstration grant program be suspended until questions raised by the motorcycling community are addressed. The easiest way to do that is to go to the AMA website at AmericanMotorcyclist.com > Rights > Issues & Legislation. Top | Previous Page SiteMap Copyright © ABATE of Indiana, Inc. ® All rights Reserved. | Privacy Policy Hosting and development by V09_2008 | ||
| Rainman |
They've done it in Utah, Texas, California, New York and Florida under funding from NHTSA, just checking your papers and the only reason you get pulled over is because you're on a bike. Although general safety checks -- like DUI checkpoints that involve all vehicles -- have been ruled constitutional, there is no reading for one particular type of vehicle. Except semis, of course, which are subject to weight restrictions and such. | ||
| Blake |
Know your rights. "Officer, am I under arrest, or am I free to go?" | ||
| Spatten1 |
Nothing new in the US: http://40on2.blogspot.com/2008/06/ny-state-police- harass-americade.html | ||
| Danger_dave |
>>"I don't smoke, drink, gamble, do drugs, or consort with women of easy virtue<< I stop reading when I have nothing in common. :-) | ||
| Azxb9r |
We have two types of road blocks here. 1- The DUI checkpoint...very popular around the holidays, but once in a while they will surprise you with one out of the blue. 2- Border Patrol checkpoints...everyone gets asked about their citizenship. Usually on the bike they just wave you by though. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
I spend alot of time off road, they are stopping the bikes with two stroke motors, running the papers and the permits; several a week get confiscated. Washington just put in a measure to have an entire class of motorcycles taken off the street with the KTM '8" in the VIN fiasco. f'n morons. | ||
| B00stzx3 |
Closest thing we got is Motorcycle Safety Week, especially if you drive to the beach. I have heard of checkpoints, not here but in Virginia. |
