| Author | Message | ||
     Sifo |
Sifo, Of course he's ignoring anything that tends to oppose his self-deluded fantasy world. He's ignored, as predicted, my challenge concerning islamists as well. He's ignored my challenge on Glass-Steagal as well. It's always a rush to move to the next topic. At best a statement of opinion is offered as fact. Never backed with any actual facts. It's really funny when he gets going about what "almost every economist" thinks. Total BS. It gets very boring debating with this sort if person. Easily proven wrong, but unwilling to admit it. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
you can read this any way you want. so can i.... historically, (at least for the past forty years or so, which is how long i have been following), the republicans have been the party of borrow & spend. they certainly have been no more frugal when it comes to govt spending as the democrats.... Not to nit pick, but you haven't been following too closely. The Democrats have held the House 26 out of the last 33 sessions leading back to 1945 (Republicans held the House only 7 of those 33 sessions) and held the Senate for 23 of the 33 sessions (Republicans held the Senate for only 10 of those 33 sessions). Republicans have held the Presidency, the Senate, and the House for only TWO of the last 33 sessions whereas the Democrats have held all three for 10 of the last 33 sessions. http://uspolitics.about.com/od/usgovernment/l/bl_p arty_division_2.htm If you are upset with the deficit spending, maybe keeping the Democrats in the House and Senate isn't the best thing. | ||
| Spike |
You certainly can read it any way you like, but that doesn't mean you're reading it correctly. Let me know when you're ready to discuss this as an adult. | ||
| Blake |
Dishonesty sucks. Willfull blindness/delusion is bizarre. Great video Court! | ||
| Bluzm2 |
Court, GREAT VIDEO! I'm sending that one to all my "friends on the left" that still don't get where the problem started. | ||
| Doug_s |
talk about dishonesty!?! failure to respond?!?  once again pot-kettle-black. i have tried to respond to your points of wiew repeatedly, and get nothing but obfuscation. and certainly no honest responses back. more like dishonesty, willful blindness, delusion, and childishness. regarding who has been in control of the house/senate/executive the past 40 years, as i have said before, i will take tax & spend over borrow & spend any day. as i said before, the republicans are no more fiscally conserwative than the dems, at least not in my life time. and, sifo, you are easily the most dishonest poster here - you lie about my ignoring your shite and you yourself have never addressed a single point i have made. you refuse, saying you're done w/me. you even lie about that - you are never done piling on the bs. it's really quite funny, hearing the most blind deluded dishonest group of folks accusing others of that. it's ok, ewolution is a slow process. we can either have a society or anarchy. anyone who doesn't like "socialism" is truly ignoring reality - there is no human life that can exist w/o it. people can either work together or not. i prefer to work together. i am still waiting for you conserwatives to tell me how we can have a sound infrastructure, good education, good healthcare, healthy enwironment, and safe places to live w/o a collective means to pay for it. none of this will happen solely w/a laissez-faire economy. and, if we don't have this, everyone suffers. you can have the finest motorcycles and cars extant - where ya gonna ride 'em when all the roads are too deteriorated? what are ya gonna do when there's no civil services anymore, like healthcare/police/fire/sanitation? what are ya gonna do when simply breathing is unhealthy? how ya gonna learn when there's no good schools? wait! i know! it will fix everything! CUT TAXES!!!! you guys are truly pathetic. party on... doug s. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
regarding who has been in control of the house/senate/executive the past 40 years, as i have said before, i will take tax & spend over borrow & spend any day. as i said before, the republicans are no more fiscally conserwative than the dems, at least not in my life time. You aren't listening or reading. The "spending" has largely been Democrats going back to 1945. When tax cuts are enacted, spending cuts are supposed to occur. They don't. Ask Reagan. Ask Bush I. The deficit spending is largely a Democratic practice considering Republicans held the house and senate for only TWO of the last 33 Sessions. Bush II made the same mistake other fiscally liberal Republicans do. He and the Republican leadership abandoned being fiscally conservative by allowing spending by Democrats to continue unabated. They proved the concept that a conservative can't our democrat a democrat. Crossing the isle to enact joint legislation doesn't make you more popular in the public or in the press. The TEA Party movement is a rebirth of the drive for fiscal soundness for ALL candidates. The first to embrace that drive will be the winner. Democrats know that they don't have a historical leg to stand on in this area. Democrats develop and hold power ONLY by distributing from the Federal till. | ||
| Sifo |
and, sifo, you are easily the most dishonest poster here - you lie about my ignoring your shite and you yourself have never addressed a single point i have made. you refuse, saying you're done w/me. you even lie about that - you are never done piling on the bs. I think the first thing I got into with you was the Glass-Steagall act. I posted refuting your claims. Still trying to get a response from you. Yes I did say I was done with you because of your lying BS. You kept calling me out by name, so I finally responded pointing out your continued BS. Still waiting on Glass-Steagall. | ||
| Spike |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man No one here has supported a 'borrow & spend' policy. Several have spoken about the lack of fiscal responsibility in the Republican party.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man No one said cutting taxes is the fix for every problem. No one has suggested a zero-tax policy. I haven't seen anyone suggest that the government stop all spending entirely. Let me know when you're ready to discuss this as an adult. | ||
| Doug_s |
i am really done discussing here - it's not possible to discuss as an adult w/children. but, so you cannot once again falsely accuse me of not dealing w/issues you present. fatty, i am listening. i yust disagree w/you. some of the most profligate deficit spending until the present financial meltdown occurred under bush-ll and reagan. there has been no fiscally responsible spending by either party since i have been following politics. the only difference is what's being spent, when the different parties are in office. so i certainly do not see any truth in getting republicans in office equating to fiscally responsible government. spike, what is un-adult in stating the simple fact that republicans are no more fiscally responsible than democrats? and, maybe you are right that no one said cutting taxes is the fix for every problem, but all i have heard lately from republicans is cut spending and cut taxes. i haven't heard of any other fixes. there's already a huge deficit. there's a already huge lack of govt services in the areas i mentioned above. i don't see anything republicans have suggested recently being able to honestly address these two facts. and i am being un-adult? i don't see you offering any suggestions.  and sifo, once again, i am really tired of you talking about my "lying bs". i responded to your glass-steagall comments at least two times. search the threads; i am tired of repeating myself. and I am the lying a** who is full of bs?  doug s., | ||
| Court |
>>>>i am really done discussing here Probably a good thing. If there has ever been a glaring case of someone who needed a "time out" to study more, get facts and learn . . this may be it. It may also be prudent to get involved in what used to be known as critical listening. It's an art and don't feel bad about having more to learn. The part that hangs many folks up is the "listening" component. We live in an age of folks who spout off, often with few facts and more often than not in the wrong direction. Court | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
profligate deficit spending until the present financial meltdown occurred under bush-ll and reagan. I agree completely! You and I are in agreement. The point of disagreement is when you saddle that spending on Republicans. DEMOCRATS held both houses during most of the Reagan/Bush Presidencies. To then say that it was Republicans that were responsible for the spending simply isn't true. ALL spending bills originate in the House, and confirmed into law after vote in the Senate and then passed to the President for signature. The President either signs the bill or he vetos it. There isn't any other choice. If you remember, there were several government shut downs during Reagan because he refused to sign budget bills BECAUSE of the spending. This occurred in 1981, 1984, 1986, and 1990. Now you won't get any argument from me on Bush II. He DID spend more in entitlements than he should. We paid a price at the ballot box in 2008 as a result. The winning ticket in 2010 and 2012 will include fiscal responsibility as the main pillar. | ||
| Court |
By the way . . . on the topic of Harley-Davidson and moving . . . I suspect most of you saw the big news yesterday. Interesting reading . . . . http://www.bizjournals.com/mobile/news/twincities/ 2010/08/30/daily5?ana=yfcp Could be huge. | ||
| Buellkowski |
Broken link? | ||
| Spike |
Well, the primary problem is that EVERYONE ELSE HERE HAS ALREADY SAID THAT so it's a bit strange for you to keep tossing it out as if it's an argument.
I am completely incapable of responding to this in a mature manner, so I'll just respond with "Stockman". | ||
| Spike |
I'll spell it out real slow in case you're still not getting it. Take a look at the Stockman posts as an example. You tossed out a link as if it supported your position. I pointed out to you that it did not support your position. You claimed that I had cherry-picked the interview to make it say something it didn't. I walked you through the entire interview summing up each section, thoroughly debunking your claim that I cherry-picked the interview. I demonstrated that it was you who cherry-picked the interview to make it say what you wanted. You completely ignored my response only to show up a few pages later stating that nearly every economist supported the stimulus and the bailouts, which is the complete opposite of what the Stockman interview stated. The Stockman interview was your source; you brought it into the argument. When it was pointed out to you that it did not support your position, you first tried to deny it, then tried to completely ignore it. Now you're back to arguing that Republicans spend too much as if the entire Stockman discussion never happened. On top of that, you're building straw men with these 'borrow and spend' and 'no tax' arguments. It is impossible to have a rational discussion if you will not take your own sources seriously and if you continue to ignore the arguments placed before you. That is what makes this discussion 'un-adult'. | ||
| Doug_s |
>>>>i am really done discussing here Probably a good thing. If there has ever been a glaring case of someone who needed a "time out" to study more, get facts and learn . . this may be it. It may also be prudent to get involved in what used to be known as critical listening. It's an art and don't feel bad about having more to learn. The part that hangs many folks up is the "listening" component. We live in an age of folks who spout off, often with few facts and more often than not in the wrong direction. Court i probably shouldn't rise to the bait, but it's so hard to stop... court, you, if anyone, should know better. your post has absolutely zero substance. it is, in fact exactly what it is that you are accusing me of doing . at age 54, i have had plenty of time to study, get facts, learn, listen. yust because i may come to a different conclusion than you does not ipso facto mean i am heading in the wrong direction. there's plenty of facts on all sides of every issue that has been discussed here on the quickboard recently. i am simply tired of going round & round, and being insulted. as far as going round-n-round, i guess there's really no way to awoid it on an open public forum. spike, for example, says, "...EVERYONE ELSE HERE HAS ALREADY SAID THAT..." when he wonders why i keep "tossing out as if it's an argument" that republicans are no more fiscally responsible than democrats. well, i wonder why everyone keeps tossing out arguments to wote for republicans because they will be fiscally conserwative. the statement that "...The winning ticket in 2010 and 2012 will include fiscal responsibility as the main pillar...." may be true, but you can be assured that it will be a bald-face lie, regardless of who wins... so, w/that being the case, even tho i am strongly opposed to all organized religion, i will support candidates i feel more morally comfortable with - the party that tries play up to the helping and sharing nature of humanity, not the one that encourages the darker side - like greed and self-interest. ya, i know - pretty simplistic, eh? especially considering the basic selfish evil nature of human beings. maybe y'all are right - maybe i am a moron.... doug s. | ||
| Buellkowski |
Here's another link to Court's story: Carmichael Lynch resigns Harley account "Harley-Davidson doesn't plan to replace Carmichael Lynch, said Mark-Hans Richer, the motorcycle company's chief marketing officer, in a press statement. Rather, the Milwaukee-based company will continue to work with a group of agencies 'on a specialized basis'." “'Our strategies have been moving away from a singular consumer target and a one-size-fits-all agency solution. Rather than accept this new reality, [Carmichael Lynch] chose a different path and we respect that,' Richer said in a statement." | ||
| Spike |
You're still not listening. We're all in agreement that Republicans have been big spenders over the past 30 years, and that's a bad thing. Where we disagree is that you seem to think that the Democrats are the solution despite the fact that not only have they spent even more than Republicans, they endorse big spending as good policy. It's one thing to think that massive spending is good and to back the Democrats. You'd at least be consistent on that point. To criticize the big spending of the Republicans only to rally behind the current administration requires either hypocrisy or ignorance. You may have missed it because it hasn't been well covered, but there's a growing movement to oust the big government 'rinos' and elect true conservatives.
So despite the fact that you believe that all candidates will lie about campaign promises, you're going to back the guy that promises stuff you like? | ||
| Sifo |
OK Doug, you don't want to discuss Glass-Steagall any more. At least stop lying that I refuse to discuss any of your points. It's you that refuses to either admit your facts are wrong or provide supporting evidence. In the face of supporting evidence contrary to your stance you try to sidestep to another topic. That in itself is lame, but to lie about me being unwilling to engage on that is total BS. How about the most recent bit we discussed? That was the mosque that you claim wasn't a mosque? Only one of us can be right on this one Doug. It is or it isn't. You last claimed it wasn't. I provided solid evidence that it was a mosque, straight from the developer. Stop the lies Doug. Your ideas are being taken on with facts. You claim to be 54 years old with a 160 IQ. Your posts aren't displaying either maturity or intelligence. | ||
| Reindog |
You guys are arguing with a brick wall. I think doug_s is actually a hot chick trying to get a "rise" out of y'all, if you know what I mean. | ||
| Doug_s |
ok it is a mosque. i read further, and it seems it will be both a mosque and a community center. does it really make a difference? if it were 100% a mosque, it wouldn't bother me, and if it were 100% a community center, it would bother you. no, i don't wanna discuss g-s any more. i believed, and still do, that it was a major reason for the economic & real estate meltdown in fall of 2008. i posted several times why i believe it, with supporting facts. you don't agree? that's ok, but don't say i never said why i believe it when i did. that's not being truthful. and, i am still waiting, after weeks of conserwative rhetoric, to hear one reasonable conserwative wiewpoint to start solwing our current economic mess. the only conserwative i have heard recently, that makes any sense, in the present time, is david stockman, who recommends rolling back ALL of the bush-II tax cuts. i have yet to hear anything on this forum that is even remotely workable, imo, considering the lame economy, and the lame state of america's infrastructure and civil serwices... my ideas being taken on w/facts? i am still waiting to hear them. and yes, i am tired of going round & round... doug s. | ||
| Sifo |
Did you happen to read any more about what I posted about what an islamic community center is? It's not a "community center", it's an "islamic community center". Do you have any clue what the difference is? | ||
| Roadcouch98 |
Liberal English? What are civil serwices? Or, is it ciwil services? Or is it conserwatiwe ciwil serwices? doug_s you wasscally wabbit. (Message edited by roadcouch98 on August 31, 2010) | ||
| Blake |
Dishonesty sucks. | ||
| Sifo |
I'm going to have to stawt giving aww my wepwies to Doug in an Ewmew Fudd diawect. He wefuses to answew why he insists on doing this. Oh, dat scwewy wabbit! Seems chiwdish to me. It might be diffewent if he wasn't waised in the states, but he's said things that impwy he's been hewe pwetty much aww his wife. It must be his pwefewwed way of communicating. (Message edited by SIFO on August 31, 2010) | ||
| Roadcouch98 |
Argggggggh, be thar a 'Pirate language button' here da' BadWeb? | ||
| Sifo |
I don't know about a piwate button on BadWeb, but I do know of a Fudd button on the Intewnet. | ||
| Blake |
I just figured it was a gay lisp kinda deal. Whatever floats your boat. | ||
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