| Author | Message | ||
     Blake |
Americans who view themselves as conservatives outnumber all others combined. | ||
| Johnnymceldoo |
If i had to guess I would think most motorcyclists would tend to be libertarian. I don't know very many on a personal level though but its just a hunch. | ||
| Rocketsprink |
If your right blake, then conservatives would never lose an election. what people view themselves as and what they actualy are can be 2 different things. i viewed this as a motorcycle topic on a motor forum. boy that was way wrong | ||
| Cyclonedon |
Americans who view themselves as conservatives outnumber all others combined. Blake with the record voter turnout at the last election I tend to find that hard to believe because if that is true, that would mean that Obama is a conservative. Do you really feel that Obama is a conservative? | ||
| Reepicheep |
Obama *ran* as a fairly moderate candidate. Didn't govern that way, but that's how he ran. Since campaigning is just spouting platitudes and making empty promises, Obama was doing the one thing he does well, and won the campaign. There were also a LOT of outraged conservatives (like me) that were pretty fed up with a Republican party that was moving far away from our core values (mainly honesty, integrity, doing what is best for the country in the long term, and fiscal responsibility). With friends like we had (corrupt, spending like a drunken sailor on leave, and constantly putting their own self interest before that of the country) lots of us thought that with friends like that, we don't need enemies. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Oh, and I just post conservative stuff here because Blake sends me a monthly check. You mean the rest of y'all are doing it for free?!?!  | ||
| Spike |
It's all kept in the Jo Momma section. ADVrider probably has more political threads than Badweb has threads. | ||
| Slaughter |
I just view myself. I'm into stuff like that. | ||
| Blake |
When voter turnout is less than 30% the results of what amounts to a personality contest for many of those 30% says little about the political views of all Americans. McCain is not very conservative. Republicans have not been very conservative. Grover Cleveland was conservative. | ||
| Buellkowski |
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| Cyclonedon |
McCain is not very conservative. so the conservatives could not muster enough votes to select one of their own to represent their views in the Presidential election? Either Democrat or Republican? Interesting! Hard to believe but interesting! | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
We chose from the limited offerings available. Just like the Democrats did in 1984 and 1988 and 2004. | ||
| Cyclonedon |
We chose from the limited offerings available why are they limited when conservatives outnumber all others combined? now don't quote me, that was what Blake stated. | ||
| Blake |
You're not getting it. The electorate doesn't much pay attention. Too many vote on one issue or superficial nonsense. It amounts to little more than a popularity contest for many voters. Heard one college kid say he was going to vote for "Bohama.". Why? "I dunno, cause he's for change." What needs to change? "I dunno." Guiliami and Romney split the vote with McCain being the beneficiary. If Guiliani was pro-life, he may well have won. I and MANY others cannot vote for anyone who is not pro-life. When Hollywood, and the vast majority of print and TV media are in the tank for the Dems, along with all the unions, it's surprising the Republicans manage to make a respectable showing. | ||
| Court |
Suggested reading from my library . . . The Real Majority: The Classic Examination American Electorate | ||
| Gregtonn |
Would it not be more useful to treat government as cooperative effort in which good ideas are brought forward rather than a political team sport pitting "Us" against "Them"? G | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
why are they limited when conservatives outnumber all others combined? now don't quote me, that was what Blake stated. The we had what the establishment offered us not what conservatives wanted. Why did McCain get a huge bump when he added Palin to the ticket? It wasn't because we were necessarily that into HER. It was because she represented someone outside the establishment. It wasn't until Palin that conservatives realized how limited our options had been. This has been the nexus of the TEA Party movement and why weak, RINO Republicans have been fighting for their political lives. The TEA Party movement has awakened the belief that individuals who previously had been fairly passive in the election process can change things. Prior to now, when was the last time you saw a gathering of 350-500,000 conservatives? "The Sleeper has awakened!" | ||
| Swampy |
I spent the weekend with a group of Koolaide drinking Liberals this weekend. After listening to it for a couple of hours, out by the fire pit by the lake, in the house, and finally out on the deck while I was deep frying everything in sight, I finally said: "This is my house, and now we are going to talk about SEX" The liberal party ended, and we returned to having fun by the lake. | ||
| Doug_s |
>>>I hold pragmatism in higher regard than dogmatism. Cool. You've got to be reeling after this week . . . . * Unemployment at record levels * Dow drops below 10,000 again * New housing starts lowest in recorded history * Sales of existing homes at lowest level in 15 years * S&P announces it is considering downgrading U.S. Treasury debt obligations Go get a drink . . .it's gonna get good if they downgrade the bonds. This "Hope and Change" isn't as fun as some folks thought it would be. Likely didn't help to have General Petraeus contradict the Bog O this week either. Seems the big guy hasn't made much of an impression on the forces. regarding the economy, almost every economist, regardless of their political stripes, say that, as bad as things are now, they would certainly be worse, w/o the present economic policies of the past two years. this says a lot for the past 8 before that... but, it's so easy to blame the "big o", cuz he was unfortunate enough to be the one to have to try & clean up the worst economic mess since the late 1920's regarding the war in iraq - again, why not let us blame, once again, the "big o", for, once again, having to clean up the mess of his predecessors - one of the worst foreign policy blunders ever committed by america. i can't wait until this november, and november of 2012, so we can get the same yerks back in office that created the present messes we face. yay!!! doug s. | ||
| Doug_s |
"...Guiliami and Romney split the vote with McCain being the beneficiary. If Guiliani was pro-life, he may well have won. I and MANY others cannot vote for anyone who is not pro-life. ..." i have yet to see a candidate that is not pro life. being pro choice does not mean one is not pro life. saying someone is not pro-life is double-speak of the worst kind. maybe you wish giuliani was anti choice... doug s. | ||
| Doug_s |
The we had what the establishment offered us not what conservatives wanted. Why did McCain get a huge bump when he added Palin to the ticket? It wasn't because we were necessarily that into HER. It was because she represented someone outside the establishment. It wasn't until Palin that conservatives realized how limited our options had been. This has been the nexus of the TEA Party movement and why weak, RINO Republicans have been fighting for their political lives. The TEA Party movement has awakened the belief that individuals who previously had been fairly passive in the election process can change things. Prior to now, when was the last time you saw a gathering of 350-500,000 conservatives? "The Sleeper has awakened!" why did mccain get a huge bump when he added palin to the ticket?!?  now that's really funny! mccain may actually have had a chance of winning if he didn't put such a nut-job on the republican ticket. when folks learned about what & who she really is, mccain's bump was a downward bump. only reason i woted for barack is cuz he picked that nit... as a lefty, i only have thanks for the tea party, which will only help moderates & liberals in the long run... doug s. | ||
| Spike |
I'm trying to play nice here, but you make it really hard. Are you purposely ignoring my post on Stockman? | ||
| Reepicheep |
Probably. But I am still hoping against hope that Barney Frank won't get re-elected. | ||
| Spike |
Really?? Are you seriously going to pretend that you don't know what the term 'pro-life' means in 2010 politics? No one here believes you're that dense. Please step it up. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
why did mccain get a huge bump when he added palin to the ticket?!? now that's really funny! mccain may actually have had a chance of winning if he didn't put such a nut-job on the republican ticket. when folks learned about what & who she really is, mccain's bump was a downward bump. only reason i woted for barack is cuz he picked that nit... as a lefty, i only have thanks for the tea party, which will only help moderates & liberals in the long run... doug s. Yep. HUGE bump. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-502163_162-4425329-502 163.html Now had the press scrutinized Obama to the degree that they did Palin, he wouldn't have been elected. The press made their choice in 2004. Palin nearly threw a monkey wrench in the works. Nut job? She would be worse than Biden? I don't for one second believe that McCain was a possibility for you. | ||
| Johnnymceldoo |
Doug the reason you libs like to attack Palin is because once the eroticism wore off with zero and you guys started looking at his experience you had a knee jerk reaction to lash out at a more qualified WOMAN. Zero is the equivalent of ray nagin ill prepared to lead America with his cabinet full of tax cheats, big banker buddies and mean clip haired butch faced dykes. | ||
| Blake |
Sifo, Of course he's ignoring anything that tends to oppose his self-deluded fantasy world. He's ignored, as predicted, my challenge concerning islamists as well. You can irrigate an infected wound with Dom Perignon chapagne; most doctors will admit that it "helps", but ALL will also confirm that doing so is FAR from the optimum treatment/cure for the ailment, especially when combined with the Obamacare and the very real threat of more massive new taxes via "cap and trade." | ||
| Court |
>>>But I am still hoping against hope that Barney Frank won't get re-elected. I'm almost amazed that Barney Frank has not been called before Congress to answer to the role he played in this mess. These are not very bright people. | ||
| Buellerxt |
Blake and Court, The current abomination in Washington is so depressing that I try to avoid watching it, or hearing about it, and I don't like engaging with anyone who supports our anti-American administration, but I want you both to know that I support your positions FULLY. Keep up the good fight. I support those I feel care about American principles, American competitiveness, and American prosperity, in every way I can, and other than that I like to pretend this is a BAD dream that will eventually end. My fear is that NObama will be able to convince enough people that he turned the economy around when it eventually does come back, which it will. Sure it will be weaker than it otherwise would have been and, sure our country will be saddled with unbelievable debt that will keep growing if his give-aways aren't amended, and sure the owners of that debt, particularly the Chinese and Arabs, will have a big say in our policies because of NObama's huge debt binge, and sure our kids and grand kids will pay in fewer jobs, much higher taxes and significantly lower standards of living, BUT my fear is that enough people will forget all that and put Nobama back in office. Let's hope all I have to fear is the fear itself. Keep it up Court and Blake, and anyone else of similar persuasion. The support and votes are out here! (Message edited by buellerxt on August 30, 2010) | ||
| Doug_s |
Mr. STOCKMAN: Because the Republicans abandoned their old-time fiscal religion in favor of two theories, which I think are now proving to be both wrong and highly counterproductive and damaging. One was monetarism, which said let the dollar float on the international markets. Let 12 men and women at the Fed decide whether to raise or lower interest rates, and use the Fed to try to run this massive economy. What they've done instead is run the printing press; they've flooded the world with dollars. The whole monetarist policy has been a mistake. The second thing was the perversion of supply side. Yes, there was a good idea that in CERTAIN circumstances, lower tax rates will encourage economic activity and savings. But when you make it a religion, when you make it a catechism and you say you cut taxes no matter what the circumstance, what the season, what the condition, then I think the whole idea has been perverted. By getting off track over the last 30 years, the Republican Party has basically given up its historic view that the key thing was financial discipline, financial responsibility, and that we had to live within our means. Today, we have two free lunch parties and as a result, we're borrowing ourselves into grave danger with each passing month and year. you can read this any way you want. so can i.... historically, (at least for the past forty years or so, which is how long i have been following), the republicans have been the party of borrow & spend. they certainly have been no more frugal when it comes to govt spending as the democrats.... doug s. |
