| Author | Message | ||
     Ft_bstrd |
Constitutional Amendment reaffirming strict constructionist reading of the Constitution. Or Revolution and Constitution 2.0 There isn't much in between. | ||
| Odie |
I'll take the revolution and Constitution 2.0......mostly just the revolution.... | ||
| Doug_s |
Good Lord man! Try to comprehend. What you claim is something that I found comes from YOUR source. They are just using it to make a different and unsubstantiated point. This is the same way that the same source (your source) came up with the 1% owning 83% thing. It's just that this information refutes the 1% thing, by a large margin. That's just dishonest representation of the information that they have collected. Either you are completely stupid and can't see that or you are being just as dishonest. I haven't done anything to refute your source yet. All I've done is show that they are full of BS according to their own data. Is it really honest to claim 83% when the data you have in the same piece clearly shows less than 51%? Are you even able to comprehend this? good lord man, try to comprehend! the point you are clinging to is completely irrelevant. it is not a game changer. the article - and all articles about distribution of wealth - still paint the same picture of what's happened to the distribution of wealth over the past 40 years. but, so you do not have to deal w/the gist of what the overwhelming body of evidence indicates, you cling to this one inane fact that there's one error in one particular article, like some baby clinging to its pacifier. keep sucking away...  doug s. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Doug, what long term benefit do you see from "redistributive justice"? | ||
| Blake |
Doug, You claimed that the poor in America are getting poorer. The evidence you provided has been soundly shown to be dishonest. The poor in America are better off now than ever before. This based on standard of living. America has the fattest "poor" folks on the planet. Other of your evidence has been shown false or inaccurate. "You can believe what you want." Close-minded ideologues who shun truth and rational objective analysis do that. In the face of compelling truth that opposes their mindset, they will offer "you can believe what you want." Honorable intellectually honest folks concede a point in the face of convincing evidence. You claimed that there are more wealthy Americans now. That is true. How can that be a bad thing? How many poor folks create new jobs? How many poor folks pay income tax? Poor folks do in an ancillary way pay income tax since ALL corprations that aim to earn a profit must pass their income tax on to the consumer. It makes no sense to burden corporations, businesses, with heavy taxes. It only helps to chase them offshore. Socialism is blatantly anti-American and anti-freedom. I'm reading The 5000 Year Leap; pretty good book. Glitch and Jerry Haughton were right! Anyone interested in learning about the intents and concerns of our nation's founders owes it to themselves to read that book. I got it on the phone via kindle for $7. No cut and paste though! LOL | ||
| Doug_s |
you guys are in dream land. because somebody found one stat to be off, i have prowided dishonest ewidence? jeez... the poor in america better off than ever before? cuz the ones that aren't underfed are overweight? and the poor are unereducated? you know, a lot of folks are fat cuz it actually costs more to eat healthy. and, when you cannot afford to do anything else, you eat. what i claimed is that the wealthy now own a larger percentage of everything than they did 40 years ago, and it's been steadily increasing. the rich are getting richer, the poor are getting poorer, and the middle class is shrinking. approximately 15% of the population lives below what is considered "the poverty line", and this equates to ~$21k for a family of four. wow. i don't know how a family of four could have a decent life today at twice that income. "..."You can believe what you want. Close-minded ideologues who shun truth and rational objective analysis do that. In the face of compelling truth that opposes their mindset, they will offer "you can believe what you want. Honorable intellectually honest folks concede a point in the face of convincing evidence..." if that isn't the best example i have seen of the pot calling the kettle black, i dunno what is.  again, cuz it's clear y'all are a bit slow, i will show how america compares to the rest of the civilized world. ya know, where all those "socialists" ruin everyone's "freedom"...  USA Ranking on Adult Literacy Scale: #9 (#1 Sweden and #2 Norway)- OECD USA Ranking on Healthcare Quality Index: #37 (#1 France and #2 Italy)- World Health Organization 2003 USA Ranking of Student Reading Ability: #12 (#1 Finland and #2 South Korea)- OECD PISA 2003 USA Ranking of Student Problem Solving Ability: #26 (#1 South Korea and #2 Finland)- OECD PISA 2003 USA Ranking on Student Mathematics Ability: # 24 (#1 Hong Kong and #2 Finland)- OECD PISA 2003 USA Ranking of Student Science Ability: #19 (#1 Finland and #2 Japan)- OECD PISA 2003 USA Ranking on Women's Rights Scale: #17 (#1 Sweden and #2 Norway)- World Economic Forum Report USA Position on Timeline of Gay Rights Progress: # 6 (1997) (#1 Sweden 1987 and #2 Norway 1993)- Vexen USA Ranking on Life Expectancy: #29 (#1 Japan and #2 Hong Kong)- UN Human Development Report 2005 USA Ranking on Journalistic Press Freedom Index: #32 (#1 Finland, Iceland, Norway and the Netherlands tied)- Reporters Without Borders 2005 USA Ranking on Political Corruption Index: #17 (#1 Iceland and #2 Finland)- Transparency International 2005 USA Ranking on Quality of Life Survey: #13 (#1 Ireland and #2 Switzerland)- The Economist Magazine ...Wikipedia "Celtic Tiger" if you still have your doubts. USA Ranking on Environmental Sustainability Index: #45 (#1 Finland and #2 Norway)- Yale University ESI 2005 USA Ranking on Overall Currency Strength: #3 (US Dollar) (#1 UK pound sterling and #2 European Union euro)- FTSE 2006....the dollar is now a liability, so many banks worldwide have planned to switch to euro USA Ranking on Infant Mortality Rate: #32 (#1 Sweden and #2 Finland)- Save the Children Report 2006 USA Ranking on Human Development Index (GDP, education, etc.): #10 (#1 Norway and #2 Iceland)- UN Human Development Report 2005 but, y'all can ignore it. cuz it's dishonest like everything else i have posted. fatty's wiews differ from mine, but he seems to be the only one here that has an open mind, the rest of y'all's brains are closed tighter than a nun's c**t. so enjoy y'all's reactionary love fest... doug s. | ||
| Strokizator |
This "list" of rankings among different countries is meaningless without some interpretation of the data. None of the countries that surpass the US in numerous categories has a large immigrant population. I wonder where Finland and S. Korea would rank in English comprehension. Our schools have a large percentage of first generation immigrants who came here speaking another language. I can bet you that none of these homogeneous countries has a large minority class that is being disserved by gov't provided built-in excuses for poor performance and low expectations. Quality of life is subject to the whims of those who decide what that quality is. If my town has no museums but has access to great outdoor activities is our quality of life better than worse than those with the opposite? As to longevity of life, I always encourage people to move to Minnesota. You won't actually live longer, it'll just feel like it. (Message edited by strokizator on August 23, 2010) | ||
| Reindog |
Do you ever reread what you post? For a guy who claims to have an IQ of 160, your persona is more like someone throwing a tantrum because you have lost the debate. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Doug, we've seen that listing of stats before. Part of the problem is the source. It is not without bias. As an example, that WHO report on healthcare (debated ad nauseum in a previous thread) was extremely biased and unrealistic. As an example, here is a breakdown of some of the criterion used for evaluating rankings: http://www.photius.com/rankings/world_health_syste ms.html Much of the ranking is driven by distribution and financial aspects rather than real a legitimate health criteria. What the rankings DON'T factor in is that the rest of the world's healthcare is improved by the technology and innovations created by the US system. Remove profit (and profitability) from the US system and the world's healthcare suffers. Yes more people have access but to lesser and lesser care. I don't trust ANYTHING from the UN. They have proven time and time again NOT to be an honest broker. Their reports are less than worthless. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Doug, what long term benefit do you see from "redistributive justice"? What do you see as the end goal and how will it be achieved? | ||
| Reindog |
The Redistributors usually can't think beyond their emotions. The desire for vengeance is stronger than the desire for self betterment through hard work and education. Try storming the Bastille or November 1917 in Russia. It sure felt good..........until they discovered they got precisely what they demanded, that is, Tyranny and a failed economic system. The Redistributors are a silly lot. Although, it just gave me a great idea for a TV series pilot...."The Redistributors", a QM production! I'm going to get rich and then doug_s can hate me even more. doug_s will be a character in the show who plays a bomb throwing hooligan named Yust Nuts, while having a secret love affair with a weird politico named Kennis Dusinoch. I will play the part of President Raymond Rongun, who supply sides everyone to fortune. Vice President John Galt will give a Three Stooges finger bonk to all the insane Tinglers until they awaken from their drunken stupor. (Message edited by reindog on August 23, 2010) | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Let's not discount it out of hand. I want to know the long run benefits from Doug's position. | ||
| Reindog |
Good luck on the waiting thing. Neither doug_s nor m2me respond to valid arguments. Everything is emotions and exclamation points with them. doug_s is defensive about even saying what his background is but he assures us that he is smarter than you and I. After all, he sports a chest pounding IQ of 160. His outbursts makes him suspect that he is quoting in base 7. Socialism is a sickness our society can do without. Americans are finally waking up to this anathema and we can no longer afford to humor this BS. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Hell I'm dumb as a box of rocks, but I can type. That alone qualifies me as an internet genius.  | ||
| Court |
Doug: How much money have you given to poor folks this year? Court | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
 http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123258358706104403 .html  | ||
| Rocketsprink |
What is the rightwings solutions to all of America's problems other than more of the same bullshit? Why was it OK for Bush to redistribute MY wealth to wallstreet and the bank? What is the final outcome going to be from that? And when? Court. How many poor people have YOU helped? Honestly. What is the Conseratives solutions to America's problems? How is spreading hate and fear, which you do so well, diverting attention away from the real issues going to make America safe? Bring jobs back? I have yet to hear anything other than the usual bullshit tax cut crap. List some websites that show an agenda OTHER than the same crap that never worked | ||
| Sifo |
You claimed that the poor in America are getting poorer. The evidence you provided has been soundly shown to be dishonest. Exactly! And Doug hasn't been able to concede that point yet even though the article he cites refutes it when you actually look at the supporting data. That's dishonest. Doug is now trying to move past the 83% being virtually the same as 51%, "it just depends on the source you use" crap. My only point is that it's Doug's source that made the 83% CLAIM, while it's underlying data shows 51%. That's dishonest. Doug's source is dishonest. He clings to the conclusions of a dishonest source even when it's been clearly exposed that the source is dishonest. That's dishonest. Of course Doug would rather just keep moving on to the next claim, and the next, never being willing to address the dishonesty of his claims. Doug has a big problem with his ideology. There's no question that the rich have most of the wealth. It's stupid to argue otherwise. Having wealth pretty much is the definition of wealthy. All that can be done in Doug's ideology is to confiscate wealth from those that have earned it, and give it to those who don't deserve it. The problem is that those that have it given to them don't know how to deal with it and they will destroy themselves with wealth and loose the wealth to boot. Those that created the wealth will create wealth again, unless you are just going to take it again, in which case all you accomplish is to destroy wealth. Destroying wealth is what happens under Socialism and Communism. I'm not sure which one Doug is. Personally I'm a Capitalist. I wonder if Doug can honestly answer what he is? I seriously doubt it. That makes Doug not worth my time. Now that my work season has started up again my time is far to short to waste on anyone who can't hold a reasonably honest conversation. | ||
| Johnnymceldoo |
Rocket, why did john kerry, charlie rangel and tim geitner have such a hard time paying their taxes and why did maxine waters try to get government aid for a bank her husband had large assets with? You want these people lecturing us on giving more and doing with less? How does this administrations leisure time stack up against that of the previous administration? Which one lectured us more on cutting back and being more efficient and frugal? | ||
| Buellkowski |
The term "redistributive justice" to me conjures up images of land redistribution in Zimbabwe and nationalization of oil refineries in Venezuela. Are you guys equating U.S. domestic policies with these examples of government expropriations? Seems a bit harsh to me. Is there a more apt phrase to use than "redistributive justice?" I'm still waiting for my copy of The Five Thousand Year Leap. The copy in my library branch is now showing a status of "missing". Someone apparently "liberated" the copy I reserved... | ||
| Sifo |
The term "redistributive justice" to me conjures up images of land redistribution in Zimbabwe and nationalization of oil refineries in Venezuela. It's just a matte of degrees. Before asking how far to go, I have to ask is it right. | ||
| Reindog |
Rocco, Don't mistake President Bush (W) for a Conservative. It was most certainly NOT all right for him to have played the redistribution game either. Obama has taken it up an order of magnitude. He will make you poorer, not richer, in the long run. Who is spreading hate and fear? Common Sense and Conservatism is the only way out of this mess. That is not hate and fear. | ||
| Reindog |
Hey Buellkowski, I received my copy of "5K Jump" last week. I have been too tired after work to get very far. It is OK but certainly not a panacea for me. There appears to be a little too much religion in the background but I don't want to judge until I finish the tome. | ||
| Reindog |
How about theft by force of arms? This is precisely what John Galt meant when he said, "Our work or your guns. You are free to choose either but you can't choose both." | ||
| Rocketsprink |
"Who is spreading hate and fear?" Come on! Obama is a Muslim? The "mosque" they want to build on "sacred ground" (which also has a strip club near by built on "sacred ground") will be a recruiting center? Just watch the right wing news (laughing as I type that) network "Fox News"  for the answers to that question. If Bush wasn't a Conservative, what was he? What is the "true Conservatives" answers to my questions from a few posts above, and how do they differ from what has been shoved down the American peoples throats since Reagan's days? Is it that they have no solutions? I like how Sifo skirted around the questions. Where are your fancy pie charts now? I like how Jonnyboy answered my questions with questions. I'm looking for a real answer here. Please, someone, point me in that direction! | ||
| Sifo |
Gee wiz rocket, did you as ME a question? Why would I even bother answering you? You have established a pattern of jumping in to spit a hate filled jab and leave the thread.  | ||
| Rocketsprink |
As I expected from you......no answer or logic | ||
| Sifo |
Rocket, have you addressed my objection to the Cordoba mosque as a symbol of conquest? I don't think so. Yet you want me do defend a belief that BO is a muslim? Who here has made that claim? | ||
| Rocketsprink |
Christ almighty, can you ever answer a question? Why all the diversions? Answer my questions already. I suspect you can't. To answer your question, in YOUR style, do you think that the Christian churches that were built in lands were Christianity was forced upon people by brute force or death are symbols of Conquest? And if so, are you equally disturbed by that? (Message edited by rocketsprink on August 23, 2010) | ||
| Sifo |
If that were going on today, yes I would be equally disturbed by that. To the best of my knowledge it isn't though, so it's a hypothetical situation. The closest thing to what you describe would be the Spanish Inquisition. It was wrong then to claim that was being done in the name of God. Ironically it was a response to Islamic conquest however. Now what OTHER questions have you been asking me that I refuse to answer? I think this is the first dialog we have ever had. |
