| Author | Message | ||
     M2statz |
This is about as political as I will get(at least on this forum). With the fall elections rapidly approaching, I find it necessary to voice my opinion on the upcoming vote. Now before you all start in on things, this is not that kind of post. I am a registered voter. My question is are you? If not, shame on you!!! If you are great, I applaud you for it. Did you vote in the last election? If you are not a registered voter and have posted here or even anywhere else for that matter on political matters, current affairs, the price of gas, oil or what ever, your comments are worthless. You have the right to vote, go use it. But do not spout off about the current state of this or that and expect to get any kind of decent response if you have not taken the one step needed to change the state of this or that. It is frustrating hear people drone about current affairs and politics only to find out that they did not vote. One person that I work with complained endlessly about there not being any good candidates in the last presidential election. I asked if they voted in the primary, “No” was the answer. Go get registered to vote. Vote this fall for who ever and what ever you want but just vote. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
by ballot or bullet; there are critical moments coming in November Remember the 'Red October Revolution' was actually Nov 7 because of the gregorian calendar. | ||
| S1wmike |
M2statz VERY well said. If you don't vote STFU!!!!!! | ||
| Sifo |
Personally I would rather see people getting involved in learning about politics before they start voting. That is going to happen by engaging in discussion. The worst thing for this country is to have an ignorant electorate. | ||
| Xl1200r |
+1 Sifo. I had an old boss who didn't vote simply because she never paid attention to politics and didn't know anything about it - I respected that moreso than someone just voting for the sake of voting. | ||
| S1wmike |
Agreed on the ignorant electorate, but if you are not involved in the process you have no means to complain. I have been voting regularly since 1982 in local, state and national elections. My votes have not always been cast for the winners, but since I did my civic duty I can voice my opinion on the administrations that followed those elections. This is what I believe M2statz was trying to say. I was just a little less subtle. I am not posting this as an argument but more of an explanation of my post. (Message edited by S1wmike on August 19, 2010) (Message edited by S1wmike on August 19, 2010) | ||
| 86129squids |
"About as political as I get"... EXACTLY. JUST VOTE. DO YOUR CIVIC DUTY AND VOTE. Nothing else really matters- it IS very important to have dialogue on the subject with respected peers and friends, however. Good thread. Oh yeah- as far as talk radio goes, RE-ENGAGE YOUR BRAIN. Everyone has an opinion- make sure yours is YOUR OWN.  | ||
| Xdigitalx |
Last I heard it was a free country. Voting is not mandated like down under. Any person can bitch about whatever they like (as seen in this post) ...lol Messages like this: "VOTE OR DIE" is what got us in trouble in the first place. Just Vote RED on E-Day and we will be alright.  | ||
| Redbuelljunkie |
I vote every time I have someone to vote for. I am a registered Libertarian, and understand fully the amount of "change" this country needs to get back on track. What I will not do, however, is vote based on "lesser of evils". If there is not a candidate I want to vote for, I don't vote- that's my civic duty. | ||
| Glitch |
If ya don't vote, ya can't bitch Reserve your right to bitch Get out and vote! | ||
| Aesquire |
Pretty inspired piece of propaganda on the part of the news tech who colored the states red/blue. Red is the classic color of danger, blood, and the communist party. Blue is the color of cool skies and eyes. I bet I can guess the political choice of the decision maker on that map. Bet ya 10 bucks. If you don't want to vote, fine. If you are an idiot, please don't vote. If you don't vote, you don't play the game as it's meant to be played and your moral authority to complain is limited. You snooze, you lose. Of course, you probably lose anyway, since there are a lot of idiots out there that vote, also a lot of dead folk & felons that vote too. Ask Al Franken. Since I live in New York, the Imperial State, I have to register for the party I wish to vote in for primaries. Register Independent, you can't vote in primaries for R's or D's. Register D, you can't vote for R's, etc. Since the odds are pretty damn betcha good that the NYS electoral college vote is going to be D, the primary vote is the only influence an individual can have on a presidential race. I register whatever party seems to have the best (or worst ) choice. For example, why register for a sitting/running incumbent's party when it's a lock? Register to make a difference. Other states, other rules. Hypothetical.... If the R's are running Jeb Bush vs. Newt G. ...... and the D's are running Hillary and Michelle Obama..... Which race do YOU want to vote in?? | ||
| Sifo |
So what about someone in a position to vote "Present"? Should that person be worthy of listening to? | ||
| Stalker |
My quote... just used it on my uncle " If you didnt want your voice heard on election day, I dont want to hear it now" | ||
| Fahren |
I like the French way to voice a non-vote. You go and vote, and cast what is called a "white" vote. Basically, it says you wish to be counted as one of the people who does not feel that any of the candidates is worth electing. Here, the only way to do that is not to vote, and you really don't get counted in any meaningful way (who pays attention to the percentage of registered voters who voted/didn't vote, after the results come in and a winner is declared?) | ||
| Skinstains |
I am great and I thank you for the applause. | ||
| Indy_bueller |
I am a registered voter and fully intend to do my part to oust the socialists from office. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Yes Comrade, you may vote. Of course we will do as we have always done, and ignore it. | ||
| Doug_s |
fahren, i agree w/you, and i have been saying this for more than 30 years. woter turn out in america is among the lowest in the industrialized world. i bet it would increase markedly if we could go and wote "present". there is an interesting wiki article on woting/not woting, and what it all may or may not mean: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_turnout doug s. | ||
| Nevrenuf |
registered and early voted. can't wait for the real one. | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
Hypothetical.... If the R's are running Jeb Bush vs. Newt G. ...... and the D's are running Hillary and Michelle Obama..... Hillary, she's the only one with any balls. Oops forgot the smiley,  (Message edited by Mr_grumpy on August 20, 2010) | ||
| Buellkowski |
Here in WA we just voted in our (recently SCOTUS-approved) "run-off" type of primary. Top 2 vote-getters advance to the general election, regardless of the candidates' party affiliation. Voters need not declare a party and can choose whomever they like. Takes a bit of the wind out of the major parties' sails. | ||
| M2statz |
Very good points by Sifo, Xl1200r, S1wmike, as education goes hand in hand with voting for which ever, whom ever or what ever you want. It was my bad to assume that was a given in my original post. Not voting because you are not educated in the current points of the election is just as bad. That and just plain being a lazy A$$. | ||
| Doug_s |
i agree - education is important. here's some other wiews about it: An investment in knowledge pays the best interest. Benjamin Franklin Where the press is free and every man able to read, all is safe. Thomas Jefferson This will be the best security for maintaining our liberties. A nation of well-informed men who have been taught to know and prize the rights which God has given them cannot be enslaved. It is in the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins. Ben Franklin Whenever the people are well-informed, they can be trusted with their own government. Thomas Jefferson Educate and inform the whole mass of the people... They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty. Thomas Jefferson As people do better, they start voting like Republicans -- unless they have too much education and vote Democratic, which proves there can be too much of a good thing. Karl Rove doug s. | ||
| Hootowl |
Rove was no doubt referring to the post-college-liberal-brainwashed idiots our universities have been churning out ever since the hippies from the 60's became the establishment. | ||
| Sifo |
Rove is right. There's a time for the chicks to leave the nest and use the education they have obtained. I have known those who are self described professional students. They may be very well educated, but know nothing about the real world around them. | ||
| Doug_s |
ya, tj and ben were full of it. which is why i am sure it's ok that america ranks only mid-pack educationally amongst the modern industrialized nations. which is why i am sure we will easily be able to maintain our place at the top of the world's pecking order. even tho we americans may be stupid, we will still come out on top cuz we "know everything about the real world around us."  sifo, you really should remove your head from the sand more often. might improve your wiew of reality a bit....  doug s. (Message edited by doug_s on August 22, 2010) | ||
| Doug_s |
and sifo, exactly what percentage of all the educated folks out there fall do you think into the category to which you refer? have you ever happened to meet educated folk that made good w/what they have learned? do you think those folks don't know anything about the real world either?  doug s. | ||
| Sifo |
and sifo, exactly what percentage of all the educated folks out there fall do you think into the category to which you refer? have you ever happened to meet educated folk that made good w/what they have learned? do you think those folks don't know anything about the real world either? I really have no idea what that percentage is, but I have met plenty of folks that have taken an education and done very well with it. I count myself among them. The best education I've gotten though has been that which I have done for myself. Far better than any college class. Without real world experience it's all useless though. The real learning happens after school. | ||
| Aesquire |
Mr Grumpy, thanks for the reply. I even like the response, I sorta agree. But, that's not the question. In NY you can only vote in the party's primary you are registered for. So in the above hypocritical question, which party do I register as in order for my vote to have the most value???? | ||
| Cityxslicker |
I can vouch for the leaning liberal biased at the schools oooooh they dont like it when you meddle in an arguement with facts, numbers, experience, and history. It harshes their mellow. | ||
| Doug_s |
I can vouch for the leaning liberal biased at the schools oooooh they dont like it when you meddle in an arguement with facts, numbers, experience, and history. pot>kettle>black  doug s. | ||
| Aesquire |
I call a spade a damn shovel. My pots are enamel covered. They are red. The Kettle is silver. Your insults are out of date daddy-o. Get hep. Btw, I am liberal. Also a womens libber. I despise all totalitarian movements. The leftists have murdered hundreds of millions of their own subjects. What more reason do you have to have to not be one? http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE1.HTM The truth is there for those who are not blind. | ||
| Borrowedbike |
A republic is not a true democracy. Votes are all well and good but if you want to impact public policy, try a couple good old fashioned letters to your Congressional representative and Senators. Sure you get to vote on WHO represents you in Washington, but how often do you take the time to tell that elected official what you want them to do when they get there? Want to educate yourself, great! Start with the sixth grade again and remind yourself what the three branches of government are, why jury duty is as important if not more so than voting, how the congressional branch of your government is segmented, and how redistricting affects you. Go from there… | ||
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