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     Danger_dave |
>>Is this thread about the desires of a specific potential buyer anymore? I don't see any responses tailored to what the potential buyer is looking for, but I can't say that I've kept up with every post.<< That is the nub of the debate old bean. Horses for courses V Buell Buell Buell. | ||
| Jerry_haughton |
FB, Clearly the RK can do all the things you've mentioned, since you've done them. But how easily can it do those things compared to a Uly? How much of those capabilities come from rider skill? Hi Nels - It's harder on the RK to hang with the Ulys off road, just as it's harder on the RK to hang with the Ulys on technical pavement - they have the clear advantage in both situations. But this doesn't mean the RK isn't up to the task. Yes, certainly, rider "commitment" comes into play - hustling over the Cherohala Skyway or along a cobby two-track on an 800-pound motorcycle takes a fair amount of determination. Although I don't own a Ulysses, I took one on a fairly long test ride. I respect it for what it is, just as I do my Road King. In the end, both get the job done. Take care, FB | ||
| Spiderman |
Hey, what did I say!? The debate ends where the head meets the raccoons butt!  | ||
| Spiderman |
SO  | ||
| Danger_dave |
Spider man was a man. Yes a big man. With an eye like an beagle and as tall as a very small mountain was he. Spider man was a man. Yes a big man. He was knave, he was cheerless and as tough as a mighty tea tree. From the coonskin cap on the top of ol Man to the heel of his holy shoe The rippin'est roarin'est fartinest man the 'front 'ear' never knew. Spider man was a man. Yes a big man. And he fought for hockey to make all them puckers free. What a Hoon. What a munter. What a scream comer truer was he. | ||
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| Imonabuss |
All must kneel before those with Road Kings and Electra Glides who can outride us on our Buells anywhere, anytime. Reminds me of a video from a Texas Hogley dealer now that I think of it... | ||
| Jerry_haughton |
Wow. Spidey, Ferris has left the building. | ||
| Danger_dave |
You can't indulge the sickness on a Road King either.  | ||
| Dtx |
I have actually ridden with both FB and Blake (at different times). Both are excellent riders.  | ||
| Needs_o2 |
SORRY I ASKED!!!!  LOL Jeff | ||
| Needs_o2 |
Being a newbee here, I guess I better learn how to dance in a minefield!  Got what I needed, thanks! Jeff | ||
| Ezblast |
LOL - folk and history - and no one reads - though the BADWEB is now equivalent to reading a set of Encyclopedias - lol - theres a lot of stuff here now - so much history - read the BADWEB and all those folks history will open before you - there is that much Buell depth here - no minefield, just golden opportunities to ask questions and get significant answers that is what its about, and getting a few friends along the way- don't sweat it man. EZ | ||
| Blake |
>>> Posted by Jerry_H on Friday, August 13, 2010 - 09:26 am: Blake, you and me need to go riding some time, you on your Ulysses (God's own gift to the motorcycling world, it would seem), me on my lowly old Road King (spit), a bike which by nearly all accounts sucks so hard on so many levels it prolly oughtta be sent straight to the crusher. Now, now. Excessive sensitivity can lead too pre-mature antagonization. >>> Then you can show me first-hand what a fine and capable steed the Uly truly is. >>> What say you, amigo? I'll be up your way some day again on a bike. Uly would be sweet. Think Denise will let you come out to play? Just know that I'll be insulting your big fat ugly excuse for a couch with wheels every chance I get. No cheap shots, just raw nerves, absolutely 100% understandable. A new Road Glide was on my short list until I learned of the miserableness and lies involved in HDI's killing off of BMC. Excellent machine. Really disgusting corporate management. One stipulation during ride, no crossing double yellow. Cherahala is no real test. The dragon's tail maybe. Better would be really gnarly, bumpy hilly twisties like roads in Texas Hill Country I know. I'll take photos; you write stuff.  | ||
| Jerry_haughton |
No cheap shots, just raw nerves, absolutely 100% understandable. Blake, I didn't kill BMC, nor did my Road King. All must kneel before those with Road Kings and Electra Glides who can outride us on our Buells anywhere, anytime. Words fail me. Cherahala is no real test. The dragon's tail maybe. Better would be really gnarly, bumpy hilly twisties like roads in Texas Hill Country I know. Anywhere, anytime, amigo - I know we'll have a great time. FB | ||
| Court |
>>>>Words fail me. Hahahaha . . . that's an INACCURATE statement. | ||
| Ratbuell |
OK, time for my .02. Ya get what ya pay for, lol. I used to own an FLHP:  You will notice in this zoom of the pic:  that the motorcycle had far more handling capability than its lean angles would seem to allow. That floorboard was only about a month old...they were maintenance items for me. Mine was a '96 - Evo motor, 80", I bumped the compression and did headwork, changed the cam, it dynoed 90/90 at the wheel when I was done. Totally streetable, rode it for over 40k miles that way. Did it do a lot of what the Uly did? Sure. But it complained more, and made it very clear that "I don't *want* to...but I will if you ask me to". I'd run it through our dealers' Battletrax-like course. One year I actually won (it was a slow year, not many bikes entered...but still won, on a bagger). But again, it ground off bits and complained through a lot of it. The Ulysses? It all comes naturally. It's nearly as comfortable as the ol' FLH (nothing will match it, though, with both air shocks and an air seat), I've done days just as long on the Uly and not had any complaints....and now that I have the Ulysses in the garage, I no longer have the FLHP. That right there says a lot. Especially given the way traffic would miraculously part for me, on the FLH Giving that up, was tough...but for me, the Uly is just a better bike. | ||
| Court |
Motorcyclists comparing XB12X to FLH . . . I blame George Bush. | ||
| Road_thing |
No, it's Obama's fault, I tell you! rt | ||
| Tepiddeath |
Couple of things I would like to add to this thread: My first bike was a 2000 FLHR, I loved that bike, and logged many a mile on it, until my ex-husband wrecked it, drunk. My boyfriend has a 2007 FLHX, I have fallen asleep on the back with both back rests on and a full face. I have a 2009 XB12Ss, with throw over saddle bags, not a Uly but the closest I can muster. I absolutely love my Buell, and would not trade it for the world, even with the piss poor operating conditions. We can tell you our opinions until we are blue in the face, but your friend needs to make the decision for himself, and ride both. | ||
| Needs_o2 |
Tepiddeath, What did you mean by piss poor operating conditions? And, yes of course, he needs to decide for himself, but he's just starting his Riders Edge class on Monday. He did buy a few year old KLR to start with, which I rode down the road only a mile or so. Never been on one before, kinda felt like riding a weedeater.lol My first bike purchase was based on country of origin  , and in '93 that pretty much left me with one real choice, H-D. Unfortunately, at that time demand was so high no-one would sell me a new bike without a trade-in. I found one dealer that gladly took a $500 deposit to put me on a "waiting list".  A year and a half later, still no bike!!! Then one day, in Nov. of '94, as I was driving past Hal's, I saw this in the front window!!!  No waiting list, no trade-in needed, chin on the floor, SOLD!!! I always did believe that I would add a H-D to the stable, until I rented one in Florida in '02, saved me about $20,000. I didn't like anything about the bike (heritage softtail)! But, he's heard my opinion already. Soooo, once again this was just to give him opinions, as strong as they may be, to help him decide, since he doesn't have on road experience. Thanks all, Jeff | ||
| Ratbuell |
Well, you know the guy. Is he the "active", "athletic" type? Buell. Is he the "couch potato" type? Harley. No derogatory implications...just where the focus of each brand lies. Both marques are good at what they do...they just do different things. The athletic type will generally want performance, adrenaline, and a more "ready" riding position. Think an NFL lineman, right before the snap - ready to go. The couch potato type will want long, comfortable miles with little emphasis on adrenaline (if any). If he complains about the KLR, listen to what he says. "I wish it was more comfortable" - lean towards HD. "It feels slow, I wish it was faster" - show him your Buell and let him try that. If the S's are too athletic...have him try the Uly. Overload him with inputs, it'll help him in the end because he'll know what's "out there" to choose from. | ||
| Xl1200r |
Rat, I don't think your analogy is quite accurate. I have a neighbor who could probably bench press me 50 times. He just bought an EG Ultra and traded it for a Goldwing. ANYTHING is more comfortable than a KLR. Just about anything is also FASTER than a KLR. Riding isn't always about the thrill. Obviously, I have sportbikes and enjoy that kind of riding, but the best ride I've been on in recent memory was riding through some seriously flat, straight roads through southeast Utah. On a related note, I talked to a guy with a new Road Glide Ultra or whatever - REALLY nice bike, and if I ever decide to do a rerun of my x-country trip with a passenger, one of those will be on the top of my short list. | ||
| Danger_dave |
>>ANYTHING is more comfortable than a KLR. << I'm more comfortable on a KLR than any other Buell but a Uly. I think it emphasises the point. It all depends on the individual. Interesting conversation though. That is a CORRECT statement. (Message edited by danger_dave on August 15, 2010) | ||
| M2nc |
"Excuse me while I whip this out." Comparing a Uly with any FLH is like comparing a Dining table with a sofa. Both are very useful pieces of furniture, but are for totally different purposes. Can you eat on a sofa, sure, just not as well as a dining table. Can you sit on a dining table, sure just not as comfortable as a sofa. The Uly and the FLH have many similarities, Each bike has two wheels most of the time like sofas and dining tables have four legs most of the time. Both bikes can have bags like the dining table and sofas have wooden frames. Passed the components though the purpose of the two are quite different. The Uly has more lean angle, but the seat height is taller. The Uly can traverse ditches better, but due to half fenders they do not protect the bike's headlights from mud and grime which the FLH's full fenders prevent. Two up the Uly is hard to beat but many women feel uneasy with the high purch. You can buy a Uly cheap, but the resale is nothing in comparison to the FLH. Lastly and a real concern for me, you can buy parts for a FLH anywhere, Buell parts will be getting harder and harder to find. Final point, most in this conversation know what I am saying when I say, Ferris is one of the joys of motorcycling. He is the exception to the rule, a great person and great to ride with. During the past two weekend rides Ferris and I have talked in great detail about HD and Buell. Like Ferris I do not want to blame all the HD family including owners, dealers and employees. I have liked Harleys since the XR1000 days. Funny the bike heart donor for the first Buell bike was the first HD I really pondered over. For so many years I have like HD. What makes it tought now is what HD management has done to Buell. The part that makes it harder for me to supoort the company is they refused to sell the company when at least some part of it could have been sold. I do not think anyone in this conversation will disagree with that. Each ride must find his/her own mount, happy hunting. | ||
| Jerry_haughton |
Carlost, you're a gentleman through and through. Thank you for your friendship, amigo. FB | ||
| Danger_dave |
Get a room. | ||
| Prior |
I first got into Buells though a good friend of mine and bought my first one as a passion purchase. Got to know so many great people through Buells, many who ride them, many whom do not anymore. Many of us came for the bikes and stayed for the people. Saying that one bike is far superior to another really isn't fair. They all have their place, and it's up to each rider to decide what works best for them. I've enjoyed the hell out of the friendships I've cultivated in this hobby, and enjoy each ride, regardless of what brand I may be with, for the people that I am with and the road we share. One of the guys I spend the most time riding with is Ferris, and I've ridden with him on a number of different bikes, and we've had a hell of a good run, mostly because of the company, be it a Uly, VFR, WeeStrom, FJR or now the Road King. Few I know are more passionate about motorcycling, regardless of brand, life and just having fun and riding. Have you bud get on them both and test ride, let him decide what works best for him. It's his ride! | ||
| Jerry_haughton |
Thx brother, the feeling is 100% mutual. Hmmmm, think we oughta get a room??? | ||
| Madduck |
One thing I wish you all would consider when bashing Harley. What management did to Buell, they are now doing to Harley. Times are going to be very tough on dealers and customers. What the Harley faithful are about to go through dwarfs anything we Buell riders have gone through. |
