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Reindog
| | Posted on Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 07:52 pm: | 
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I'll read the article later but how is this any different that what George Soros does? |
Kenm123t
| | Posted on Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 07:53 pm: |
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Conservatives your wasting your time speaking to associating with Progressive Liberals. Logic Reason and Facts are meaningless to them. They tend to be agnostic at best or athiests. No one can tell them what to do but they think they know better than you or any one else not a Prolib.
Universally they are unhappy miserable souls that are in a continual state of outrage at a perceived fault in others. Or of something they think is an injustice. Since they are incapable of indendant action and prefer a Collective affirmation or validation by others.
They fear Conservatives and people of independant action. Where Conservatives thrive on challenges. ProLibs want it all like mommys crib. Take heart Conservatives people attack what they fear Notice who is doing all the personal attacks. Welcome thier hatred with good cheer and real Prayer for them. Your words of kindness will be like brimstone on your attackers. Keep your faith and your head Prolibs need you to be violent and hateful. Knowing this becareful evil always blames someone else for what it does! ( remember when Bush was blamed with being King George) Now we have the liar in Chief. Evil will often prevail unless Good is prepared for the battle |
Buellkowski
| | Posted on Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 07:56 pm: |
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I'm not saying it's any different than any other billionaire's political activities. But I think it means that Tea Partiers are tools, too. Just like the rest of us.  |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 07:58 pm: |
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.....The Kochs are longtime libertarians who believe in drastically lower personal and corporate taxes, minimal social services for the needy, and much less oversight of industry—especially environmental regulation. These views dovetail with the brothers’ corporate interests. In a study released this spring, the University of Massachusetts at Amherst’s Political Economy Research Institute named Koch Industries one of the top ten air polluters in the United States. And Greenpeace issued a report identifying the company as a “kingpin of climate science denial.” The report showed that, from 2005 to 2008, the Kochs vastly outdid ExxonMobil in giving money to organizations fighting legislation related to climate change, underwriting a huge network of foundations, think tanks, and political front groups. Indeed, the brothers have funded opposition campaigns against so many Obama Administration policies—from health-care reform to the economic-stimulus program—that, in political circles, their ideological network is known as the Kochtopus.
In a statement, Koch Industries said that the Greenpeace report “distorts the environmental record of our companies.” And David Koch, in a recent, admiring article about him in New York, protested that the “radical press” had turned his family into “whipping boys,” and had exaggerated its influence on American politics. But Charles Lewis, the founder of the Center for Public Integrity, a nonpartisan watchdog group, said, “The Kochs are on a whole different level. There’s no one else who has spent this much money. The sheer dimension of it is what sets them apart. They have a pattern of lawbreaking, political manipulation, and obfuscation. I’ve been in Washington since Watergate, and I’ve never seen anything like it. They are the Standard Oil of our times.”
Hmm. “kingpin of climate science denial.”
I like that. I can respect that.
Hey, he looks like a guy who values freedom, and isn't afraid to spend his own money to save it. Obama spends other peoples money.
How about an article on how much Soros pumps into pro-progressive web sites and groups? Many think Soros is Obama's puppet master. ( I don't. Mentor, svengali, partner in crime, sure...) |
Sifo
| | Posted on Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 07:59 pm: |
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I'm not saying it's any different than any other billionaire's political activities. But I think it means that Tea Partiers are tools, too. Just like the rest of us.
So you have no worthwhile point to make? |
Sifo
| | Posted on Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 08:02 pm: |
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There were people of wealth that made the revolution possible in 1776 too. In fact few good things happen without the backing of wealth. It's a shame that some are so quick to condemn simply because of wealth. I will never understand that. |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 08:06 pm: |
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Heard Mark Steyn make a comment today. To the effect that leftists attack phantoms. Not real causes.
His example was the "radical" playwrite who pens a play with a gay Jesus having a fling with Judas. Steyn claims the same writer would never do the same with Mohammed, as the people waiting at the stage door would have different reactions.
I think I agree.
Far too few leftists in this country have supported real oppressed people, like those under daily threat of murder for commenting on, or even publishing a cartoon about a certain "religion".
Yet it seems the same people that won't dare to offend someone worth fearing, are the first to use terms like nazi, racist, and fascist to attack anothers person, while not actually addressing the points brought by the "racist nazi".
Argue with clarity, facts, reason and respect.
Well, at least try. I often fail myself at that ideal.
(Message edited by aesquire on September 02, 2010) |
Sifo
| | Posted on Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 08:09 pm: |
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I thought Glen Beck was supposed to be behind the Tea Party. That's what the lefties have been claiming for months. New boogie man? |
Buellkowski
| | Posted on Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 08:10 pm: |
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Sifo, my impression of the Tea Party movement is that they fancy themselves as answering to no one. Independent, grass roots uprising, remember? My point is that the article I linked to indicates that the Kochs have had their hands in the movement since the beginning and that they're being quite careful of staying out of the spotlight, likely for fear of ruining the seemingly popular spontaneity of it all.
Take it as you will. It's just information. I'm not trying to change your mind. Really. Just sharing what I read. |
Sifo
| | Posted on Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 08:14 pm: |
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Does the article even make a claim that the Tea Party answers to the Kochs? The bit that I read simply showed the Kochs were backing the Tea Party.
Even if they owned the Tea Party, if they are true to their convictions I don't see a problem. That would be a welcome change in my eyes. |
Ft_bstrd
| | Posted on Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 08:54 pm: |
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There is a clear double standard.
No matter how much money Soros or others pump into busing in fake protestors, a liberal movement will only ever be presented as "grass roots".
It doesn't matter how few billionaires (none in most cases) are involved with the Tea Party, it will only ever be presented as corporate shilling and "astro turf".
Just like conservative/tea party gatherings are always going to be presented as "predominately white" whereas Sharpton's gathering isn't presented as "predominately black".
MSN is "fair minded".
Fox News is "biased". |
Reindog
| | Posted on Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 08:58 pm: |
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kowski:
Thank you for sharing the information. Movements need leadership and money or they soon dissipate like smoke. We are starting to see the possible coalescing of political power with the Tea Party as it is showing step by step, that they can win. Perot was a one trick pony and the movement was almost solely based on his charisma. The Tea Party idea arises from a wide swath of America feeling disenfranchised for too long by both the Democrats and the Republicans, which unfortunately tend to be two sides of the same coin. |
Ft_bstrd
| | Posted on Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 09:12 pm: |
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The Tea Party is NOT a "third" party. It is The Conservative party the Republicans should have been but have forgotten how. It isn't interested in just beating Republicans or Democrats. It is interested in replacing non-conservative candidates and incumbents with conservatives. If you are a Republican not acting conservative, you are on the list.
This makes the Tea Party different than Independents, Libertarians, Ross Perotians, Green Party, etc.
Think of the Tea Party as chemotherapy for the a Conservative party that has grown a liberal cancer. |
Sifo
| | Posted on Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 09:17 pm: |
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The Democrats once had conservatives too. I hope it's chemotherapy for all politicians. |
Gregtonn
| | Posted on Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 11:09 pm: |
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Governors of 35 states have already filed suit against the Federal Government for imposing unlawful burdens upon them. It only takes 38 (of the 50) States to convene a Constitutional Convention.
This will take less than thirty seconds to read. If you agree, please pass it on.
For too long we have been too complacent about the workings of Congress. Many citizens had no idea that members of Congress could retire with the same pay after only one term, that they specifically exempted themselves from many of the laws they have passed (such as being exempt from any fear of prosecution for sexual harassment) while ordinary citizens must live under those laws. The latest was to exempt themselves from the Healthcare Reform ... In all of its forms. Somehow, that doesn't seem logical. We do not have an elite that is above the law.
I truly don't care if they are Democrat, Republican, Independent or whatever. The self-serving must stop.
A Constitutional Convention - this is a good way to do that. It is an idea whose time has come.
I'm asking each addressee to forward this Email to a minimum of twenty people on their Address list; in turn ask each of those to do likewise.
In three days, most people in The United States of America will have the
Message. This is one proposal that really should be passed around.
Proposed 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution -
"Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of the United States that does not apply equally to the Senators and/or Representatives; and, Congress shall make no law that applies to the Senators and/or Representatives that does not apply equally to the citizens of the United States ." |
Blake
| | Posted on Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 11:34 pm: |
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Patrick,
if you'll confirm the above and rewrite to clean up the grammar, I'm in! |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 11:45 pm: |
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I'm a lot hesitant to call for a Constitutional Convention.
Two reasons.
I'd really just like to see the existing rules followed. I don't think they are.
I'm afraid that the result of tinkering with the Constitution with the currently left of center educated public will result in bad things. Because....
The Constitution, is the rules of how we pick from among US the people to do the work of running the business of a nation. It specifies what our nation is supposed to do, ( mainly defend it's people from attack from without ) and limits the people WE hire to work for US in the power they have over us.
In particular the Bill of Rights, is, as Obama said, a charter of negative rights. It restricts the power of Government to mess with the People, and specifically, the Individual, Free, Citizen.
( I think that it's worked pretty good for 234 years )
Trouble is...
For a century, the concept of a social democracy, where the State takes the role of parent instead of servant has somehow always ended up with a self selected elite running things. Inevitably those people will do anything to keep power, I don't want those jerks to mess with the rules of the game when I know from multiple examples that their way screws us. |
Blake
| | Posted on Friday, September 03, 2010 - 01:02 am: |
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Catch22 |
Buellkowski
| | Posted on Friday, September 03, 2010 - 01:43 am: |
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Bads1
| | Posted on Sunday, September 05, 2010 - 12:54 pm: |
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http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5 im4ZQ7L0db5K7tRvkeDgm9F_QArQD9I0MSIO0 |
86129squids
| | Posted on Sunday, September 05, 2010 - 01:30 pm: |
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"4 pillars"...
LOL!!
Carpe Doodyum!!! |
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