| Author | Message | ||
     Jaimec |
Suicide is NOT painless. Not to the ones left behind. | ||
| Spank |
Those are the ones who hurt the most... | ||
| Froggy |
Some don't have anyone to leave behind, and often those who are left behind aren't hurt. | ||
| Spank |
I am just guessing here, but I don't think that is the case here. I have had two friends who have done this, quite some years apart, and it has left a lasting mark. You just aren't the same afterwords.. | ||
| Jaimec |
Amen. I'm one of the ones left behind.  (Message edited by jaimec on July 27, 2010) | ||
| Rainman |
My condolences Jaimec. I've been there. When people do that, they don't think of the others they leave behind. They can only feel their own pain and its overwhelming. Miss them, but don't blame yourself. | ||
| Fast1075 |
My closest friend ate his pistol last Christmas...it sucks.. | ||
| Froggy |
I had a friend hang himself from a ceiling fan back when we were in high school. Yes it would be great if he was here today, but having gone down that road I totally understand why he did it and respect him. | ||
| Spank |
ok... Guess we all look at these things differently. (Message edited by spank on July 27, 2010) | ||
| 86129squids |
So sorry, friend- be aware that there are many other songs to counter and silence that one... Peace. | ||
| 86129squids |
Here's one, probably my favorite on her CD "Esperanza"- from Esperanza Spalding. No vid, just some ear candy, a smidge slow on the 'puter compared to the hi-fi. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YI6nTKltGE | ||
| Slaughter |
I remember hearing Suicide is Painless when I first saw MASH. Thought it was a pretty deep tune. REALLY, in the context of the anti-war theme, it wasn't at all about suicide... more about choices in life. It was written by then 14-year old - Mike Altman (MASH director Robert Altman's son). | ||
| Jaimec |
I haven't heard yet whether he left a note behind or anything. It just came right out of the blue. I'm thinking of that episode of "House" where they discovered Kutner had killed himself. He lived in California, and although we exchanged a lot of correspondence via E-Mail and Facebook he never ONCE indicated there was anything wrong. I've never known him to suffer depression, either (I've known him since we were both little kids; our families did EVERYTHING together). He leaves behind two sisters here in New York, and a teen aged girl that with whom he had just started to reconnect (his psycho ex-wife kept him away from her as she was growing up, but when she got older she reached out on her own to get to know her father). So many questions and the not-knowing is what's eating me alive. | ||
| Spank |
The questions that will never be answered, bothers me the most. | ||
| Rainman |
It is truly hard, maybe impossible, to feel and understand the depths of someone else's pain. | ||
| Ourdee |
Jaime, I've had friends and relatives go that way. They always leave a hole somewhere. Sometimes you have to live with knowing that you will never really understand it. I've sat on the edge and didn't give in. It doesn't make us stronger, weaker, smarter, or dumber, Just different. Don't dwell on the sad part. Try and remember the good times, things, and thoughts. My way of dealing with it is usually to go off by myself and have a good cry, however long that takes. Then I try to move on. I can't change any of it, but, I'll say a prayer for you. Send flowers if you can, It will make you feel like you did something. ,R.D. | ||
| Blake |
I lost a friend to suicide not to long ago. Frank, I cannot disagree more strongly. Suicide motivated by self interests may be understandable, but it is NEVER worthy of respect. I view life as a divine gift, worthy of exceptional respect, reverence, and care, not the result of mere happenstance. | ||
| Niceguyeddy |
I've considered sharing more here but will not. One should not disregard Froggy's statement. Leave the respect issue out of it, it is not about you. You can argue selfishness...accept it or tear yourself apart looking for answers that will not come to fruition. You'll never know. None the less, I understand your loss. Celebrate the life lived. | ||
| Drkside79 |
For once i mostly agree with Blake. | ||
| Bobby_fletcher |
I cant believe that with all of froggy's vast knowledge, and an abundance of world experiences...not to mention the great wisdom he shares with us all, that he would reveal his true age in a comment such as that. | ||
| Whisperstealth |
I cant believe that with all of froggy's vast knowledge, and an abundance of world experiences...not to mention the great wisdom he shares with us all, that he would reveal his true age in a comment such as that. True age? Are you implying that his thoughts and opinions are a reflection of being too young? If so, HORSE#$%^. I am 34, but maybe my "True" age is younger, and I am therefore ignorant. My best friend killed him self, .22 to the head may 07. It hurt, and it sucks! But I too know why he did it, and respect his choice. And that's what it is. - The persons choice. I have gone down very dark roads and have thought about it. Even today the thought flickers. As someone who had battled mental illness for years, I get tired of hearing how "selfish" it is. It can be selfish that some demand and expect others to live in horrible pain, so that they can feel better. | ||
| Bobby_fletcher |
I totally agree that it is a person's choice, but I guess I interpret the word "respect" in a different manner than others. Sorry for causing you so much grief whisper. I will leave it at that. | ||
| Boltrider |
I have some unfortunate experience with this too. My dad voluntarily checked out 4 years ago. I wasn't completely surprised by it either. I always felt there was something wrong with him, something not quite right. He would get a kick out of the thought of me riding. He used to ride but he gave it up a long time ago. The memory of him on his motorcycle urged me to try it myself. | ||
| Fast1075 |
We had an engineer that worked for us some years ago...he was one of the most intelligent people I have ever known...a WW2 vet, flew B29s. He came down with bone cancer, did all the chemo,surgery, blah, blah...no effect...was in constant horrible pain...he made sure all his affairs were in order...talked it over with his wife, had a final social event to say goodbye to his friends....and blew his brains out in the middle of the night after making sure it would be easy to clean up the mess. My thoughts were I was glad he was finally past the pain and suffering...maybe the creator is pissed at him for taking his own life...maybe he understands...dunno. | ||
| Drkside79 |
Suicide due to terminal illness is one thing. Boo hoo my life sucks is quite another. On one hand i think Jack Kevorkian should have got a medal not a prison term for what he did. On the other i think blowing your head off because you lost your job etc is a childish selfish act that transfers a persons suffering onto their loved ones. | ||
| Jaimec |
Drkside: You summed it up nicely. We treat our pets better than we treat family when it comes to terminal illness. Our pets get euthanized and their suffering ends. For humans, we force them to stay alive as long as possible, KNOWING there's no end to their suffering save death. I've learned a few more things about my cousin but all that does is open more questions and provides no answers. | ||
| Vampress |
Sorry to hear Jaimec. I had the same thing happen a few years back. A close friend/boyfriend at the time. I'm just glad I found him and saved his family that pain, although something like that stays with you forever no doubt. Same in that there was really no sign it was going to happen. Happy go lucky party guy-great job-22yrs old.Who knew? I didn't respect the choice, but figure if he was willing to go through with it, he felt as if there really wasn't a choice. Don't torture yourself trying to figure out why, you may never know. Just know that why-ever they did it, they are no longer suffering. | ||
| Wheelybueller |
Jaimec I am so sorry for the loss of your cousin. My prayers go out to his daughter,and sisters,and the rest of the family. I lost my only blood sibling,my brother to suicide. He tried to break a bad habit without help. I miss him everyday! I think about him every time I get on my bike,that was our thing riding together. Was 13 years June 25 2010. | ||
| Blake |
>>> Just know that why-ever they did it, they are no longer suffering. On this earth. What Dreams May Come, excellent film that does a great job dealing with the issue and eternal consequences along with providing a great heroic action/adventure. | ||
| Slaughter |
It must be comforting to know that somebody with severe mental issues - bad enough to commit suicide is damned to hell. Nice belief system there. |
