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Danger_dave
Posted on Saturday, July 10, 2010 - 01:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Very nice bike. Not buell fun level - but a very good ADV beast I reckon. Nicest one I've tested for a while.

Liked the Moto Morini Granpasso but that's too exotic to be viable this far out on the rim and the EFI wasn't quite right.

This thing ticks all my boxes apart from stunt-ability and maybe looks. I'd want to ride it and a Tiger one after the other to determine an XB12X replacement if and when.








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Mnrider
Posted on Saturday, July 10, 2010 - 01:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I like it.
Even the big skid plates on the sides.
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Pwnzor
Posted on Saturday, July 10, 2010 - 02:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I like it...
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Dfishman
Posted on Saturday, July 10, 2010 - 03:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Maybe they will introduce it to the USA about the time our Uly's are wore out & parts are scarce.I like it!
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Xb9er
Posted on Saturday, July 10, 2010 - 04:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Do they offer a bag set up like the uly's did?
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Danger_dave
Posted on Saturday, July 10, 2010 - 05:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yeah - ammo style aluminium cases & top box
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Lemonchili_x1
Posted on Saturday, July 10, 2010 - 06:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It *looks* massive. Then again, so does a BMW GS. Any idea on how much it weighs?

Not really my cup of tea, but if Yamaha put the motor in a light cafe racer or streetfighter style bike... Mmm mmm!

Just hope no one who had anything to do with the MT-01 gets involved...

Nice pics as always DD. I like the last one especially.
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Malott442
Posted on Saturday, July 10, 2010 - 08:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Shaft drive dual sports, sweet!

If I wasn't so hardcore "different", I would buy one.

But my money is still going towards a GS or an RT and a dual sport.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Saturday, July 10, 2010 - 09:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'd have a hard time getting past the looks... but to each their own...
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Saturday, July 10, 2010 - 09:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Looks SO much better than the VStrom.

I'd consider it for a big trailie.

Unfortunately, we won't see it in the US.
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Jaimec
Posted on Saturday, July 10, 2010 - 10:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I think BMW wrote the book on big adventure bikes. The number one rule appears to be: "Must be as ugly as sin."

Everyone seems to adhere to that one basic rule...
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Doug_s
Posted on Saturday, July 10, 2010 - 11:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

with multistradas and ulysses's around, i wouldn't even be looking at this bike. no vee engine, & 575lbs.

i scoped out the motomorini on the web, and i'd choose it in a heartbeat over this, as well. according to one article i read, its fuel injection is completely seamless in its power delivery. seems whatever fuel injection issues noted by danger dave can be rectified.

doug s.
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Danger_dave
Posted on Saturday, July 10, 2010 - 04:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Various responses:

The Tenere costs +/-25% less that the GS in the NZ market and the only real advantage I see that the GS has is low speed 'strength'. The big boxer flywheel means it ticks over better at lower speeds.

No vee engine. Didn't make that much difference - the 270 even sounds as good.

Yes - it's a big bike - the Uly felt like a city-x when I jumped back on to ride home. The Yam still handles great on all sorts of roads and in much more stable than the Uly on gravel.

The problem with Moto Morini (if they have the mapping right now) is they are bankrupt with an uncertain future.

I couldn't own a multistrada. Lovely bike to ride and I look forward to testing the 1200 one day - and I agree that adv bikes generally have had the ugly stick waved at them - but I think then new one looks absolutely absurd. Comical.
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Mr_grumpy
Posted on Saturday, July 10, 2010 - 04:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I quite like it, I liked the old SuperTen, which morphed into the TDM, & then had it's 270° parallel lump stuffed into the TRX850, a bike I lusted after for a long time despite it's poor gearchange.

Like: Looks like a handy tool & should be reasonably priced, as it's all electronic should be easy to tune with a remap.

Dislike; The fact that it's not single side swingarm when it's shaft driven, I mean that's soooo last century.

Would I buy one? probably not. I am kinda sorta looking for a bike of this ilk for playing on the forest roads in the Jura & the Alps & blasting in comfort across France in a day when I need to. I'm currently leaning heavily towards a Moto Guzzi Stelvio.

Ta for the pics Dave, nice work (as usual).
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Danger_dave
Posted on Saturday, July 10, 2010 - 04:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I personally think the Yamaha is a superior bike to the Stelvio.

In short if you 'wap' the throttle hard on the Tenere it wheelstands - do the same on the Guzzi and it says 'Who? Me?...hang on a minute, nah'.
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Danger_dave
Posted on Saturday, July 10, 2010 - 04:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Stolen from ADV rider.

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Mr_grumpy
Posted on Saturday, July 10, 2010 - 04:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Interesting stuff, thanks Dave.
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Danger_dave
Posted on Saturday, July 10, 2010 - 05:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The other thing about the stelvio grumps is that you know how the Buell gets to highway cruising speeds and it 'smooths out'.

The Stelv does the opposite - the worst of the engines vibes are at 65mph and it smooths out at 85.

That might be perfect for Euro conditions, dunno - but it's not ideal out on the islands any more.
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Danger_dave
Posted on Saturday, July 10, 2010 - 05:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sorry disjointed - I'm doing other jobs at the same time.

All I had to pick on with the Yamaha is the graphics are kinda dorky. I mean we're Buell owners so engine vibes don't bother us particularly anyway, and the 1200 vert twin is not without a shudder now and then, but it bugged me slightly on the stelv. Not so the yam.

The Stelv was brilliant on the dirt roads, the motor very well suited to spooling up in third and hammering it. Very yummy - but then if you are doing lots of dirt it has the Uly fail. No knobby tyres for a 180 section rear.

The Yam certainly felt up to it on gravel and we're sticking proper ADV tyres on it this week.

Edited for correction and carp typung

(Message edited by danger_dave on July 10, 2010)
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Svh
Posted on Sunday, July 11, 2010 - 01:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

$19k seems a lot of money though for that bike
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Danger_dave
Posted on Sunday, July 11, 2010 - 01:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I make that $18.2 on currency conversion - it rarely pans out that way - very small numbers and the vast distances inflate local prices.
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Doug_s
Posted on Sunday, July 11, 2010 - 11:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

interesting adwenture-tourer comparo, featuring the new tenere:
http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/yamaha/yama ha_xtz1200%2009.htm

doug s.
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Chadhargis
Posted on Sunday, July 11, 2010 - 05:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Looks like a 19" front wheel. That's a deal breaker for me.

If I had the cash, I'd be riding a new Multistrada. I would like to try the Tiger as well.
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Danger_dave
Posted on Sunday, July 11, 2010 - 06:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

>>Looks like a 19" front wheel. That's a deal breaker for me.
<<

After riding it on some very twisty roads I can't see any reason why.

It's also very comfortable for a 6'5" man.

Edit - I remember - the take it to the track thing?

(Message edited by danger_dave on July 11, 2010)
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Strokizator
Posted on Sunday, July 11, 2010 - 08:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Once again I am apparently in the minority as I wanted a more dirt worthy Uly. Offroad, the KTM 990 smokes all these others. Onroad, with a set of Conti Trail Attacks, it'll eat up asphalt as well as my abilities allow. I just finished a two-week, 5000 mile run and had a blast.

Costs less the the BMW or Yami, too.
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Danger_dave
Posted on Sunday, July 11, 2010 - 09:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Trouble with the KTM is it's the least comfortable of all of them - rider and pillion - for the touring component of what makes a great 'beast'.

That said - I do dig that 990SM a lot.
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Gunut75
Posted on Sunday, July 11, 2010 - 10:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've been eyeballing the 690sm too. I would get the seat redone in a custom sort of fashion.
Yes, I would ride that Yama!
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Reg_kittrelle
Posted on Sunday, July 11, 2010 - 10:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Dave...
I agree re the 990 KTM, until the 990 SM-T came out. Liked it so much I actually bought one. Have done one 800 mile day, and a couple of 400 mile days. Also did a 4-day, 1,200 mile event on a press bike.

It's a lot lighter than the Uly, handles better and is quicker/faster. It is buzzier, and can't haul as much, tho.
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Chadhargis
Posted on Sunday, July 11, 2010 - 10:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The 19" tire would probably not hamper handling too awful bad...it's the tire choice that sucks.
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Danger_dave
Posted on Sunday, July 11, 2010 - 11:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ahh - got it - I'd leave the Battle wings on it. my preferred riding in on roads like the top pic these days - and there are enough around here to make it viable.
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Crackhead
Posted on Monday, July 12, 2010 - 09:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Wheel diameter doesn't matter as much as long as they adjust the headset angle and offset, so that the trail works out correctly.

Mountain bikes have 2 standards wheel sizes now. 26" and 29" diameter. The fork off sets are different to adjust for the tire contact patch.
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