| Author | Message | ||
     Tramp |
I'd heard scuttlebutt last year about NOS tuber engines laying around. After calling over a dozen dealers to no avail, I called HD, they advised that no such item is available. Anyone know otherwise? (Message edited by tramp on June 26, 2010) | ||
| Glitch |
I just checked and I came up with the same as you. I guess the NOS engines are privately owned? Why not get a Sportster engine, and do it up, it's pretty close to a NOS engine. | ||
| Spiderman |
did you finally blow up the S2? Or is this another project? | ||
| Tramp |
Hey, Spides! Still didn't blow it up, but at this point, I'd really like to start completely new in the engine department, if possible. Glitch- Thank you! I'm thinking of going the sporty engine route, and (believe it or not) I forgot to ask about NOS sporty engines. I'll look into short blocks asap. Not sure why I didn't just try that, first. Sometimes we need our fellow enthusiasts to remind us of what should be the obvious. Jay | ||
| Spiderman |
Trampski, Call Erik Buell Racing, they may have a shortblock for sale. It may be a race use only. But a creative welder and a stamp set can fix that... | ||
| Greg_e |
Engines don't really need a serial number do they? That would really F' up and engine swap after disaster if you were required to have a registered engine. | ||
| Ratbuell |
Engines have a SN, mainly to show it's a "numbers match" setup. Some states do require them to match unless there is repair / replace paperwork...but for the most part, all you need is a valid frame number. If you go XL motor, be sure it's a pre-'04... | ||
| Froggy |
Why not build the first 1190-S2?  | ||
| Hughlysses |
Why not build the first 1190-S2? That's actually a pretty cool idea. I think the hardest thing would be figuring out how to get air to the throttle bodies. You could do something like Honda did on my 1983 VT500FT Ascot; put the filter/airbox under the seat where the original oil tank is and duct air from it under the gastank to the throttle bodies. | ||
| Froggy |
That wouldn't be hard, remove the gas tank to replace it with an airbox, and put the gas inside the frame. You could fit almost a whole gallon of gas in a tuber frame right??? | ||
| Tramp |
1190 S2? When you get a quarter of a million m iles on one individual Buell "1190", I'll be all ears. Until then, let's stick to the OP. I'm interested in NOS evo engines. Numbers aren't an issue regardless- an unnumbered racing engine is legal in most states with a numbered frame, a numbered case with a bill of sale and DMV check is also fine, as is an aftermarket number (a la S&S) with a legally titled frame. Even recovered ground-off recoveries are fine with a acid-lift ID certificate and or intact 'case numbers' on the right hand side. I'm merely interested in info on NOS tuber mills or sporty engines, cheap, for total replacement of my 1/4 million miler. metal fatigue is no one's friend. The NOS engines were a bit of a rumour mill a few years back, so I'm just trying to sift through the signal/noise on the potential reality of this phantom prospect. Always planned to do this at 250,000 miles, and that time is now. many thanks- (Message edited by tramp on June 26, 2010) | ||
| Slaughter |
CAN the Sporty motor mount up using the Buell rubbers? I'd think you could get a (fill in the blank) tube twin that would be a simple bench-top rebuild... maybe salvage? I'd looked for something like that for my S3 but parts are so readily available that when it is time, it'll just be rebuilt. | ||
| Tramp |
Yep- For the sporty I believe (PLEASE correct me if you KNOW otherwise) the buell heads and a quick tap into the oil filter boss will suffice....alonmg with one rear tab which can simply be welded in place. I'm looking itno salvage, but I've always wanted to drop in a factory NOS build at this time. I appreciate the input..... makes me realize an important value-aspect of badweb. thanks- jay | ||
| Guell |
I think one bolt hole needs to be redrilled bigger in the rear for a tuber, i could be wrong though. They are basically the same though. | ||
| Zenbiker |
The Reman area at HD should have access to xl evo cases. I don't know if they could or would build up a buell spec motor though. I would speak to your local dealer on that. | ||
| Glitch |
I know you're looking for a NOS engine... But you have to admit, this thread wouldn't be complete with out...  http://www.sscycle.com/product/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=21207 AND it's ONLY 9grand! | ||
| Tramp |
An S&S upgrade is ALWAYS a welcome notion...and a step up! If I had the funding, the S&S would be THE logical choice!}} | ||
| Spiderman |
Calm down Spock  | ||
| Tramp |
Ride long and prosper  | ||
| Easy_rider |
Along the hopped up sporty lines, there's a dealer with thunderstorm kits on ebay... An old short block and a new top end and you're ready to go. I haven't done any homework to see how that stacks up to other options cost-wise, but it's an avenue. | ||
| Hughlysses |
I guess with 250k miles on the bottom end, Tramp rightfully figures every piece of metal in it is suspect from a fatigue failure standpoint. | ||
| Rick_a |
For a Sporty motor to work all four of the rear motor mount holes have to be enlarged. There was a Blast engine put into an S1 frame...they modified the cases to except the swingarm mounting block. The same could be done with an XB engine. | ||
| Tramp |
Thanks, Hughlysses- Yep- I'd rather not use any of this old mill at all. I've built many antique engines from the crank out, as projects. I want a bulletproof daily beater that will happily go from NYC to San Francisco and back many times with ease, and will also take an all night beating around either of these cities. I also tend to ride year-round, with plenty of way-below-zero cold starts, so metal fatigue becomes a greater issue for my rides. I'd just like to start with a fresh new evo sporty mill (Thanks, Glitch). Anyone know if any dealers have these? | ||
| Jramsey |
Many low mileage tubers worth worth the money in the classifieds. Why not buy one and rob the motor for your beater and sell off the running gear and end up with a good inexpensive motor. | ||
| Firebolt020283 |
you could do like the chopper people like to do with our bikes and take a really nice sportster and strip it down and take its engine. | ||
| Firebolt020283 |
If it was not for the fact that the s&s engine is the price of a new bike I would say that would be an awesome choice. | ||
| Rick_a |
I'm sure you could acquire a personal loan for 9K...for that 'home improvement' project.
Now that's a great idea! The rest could be parted out for profit. | ||
| Tramp |
All excellent thoughts! The sportster idea makes good sense Thank you- jay' | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
I believe the sportster crank is quite a bit heavier than the Buell item so if you're going to use the sporty bottom end it won't be as responsive. A friend has a S3 which is currently being kitted up for drag racing & he's using a sporty crank because he won't lose so many revs when changing. Inertia etc. In your place I'd be looking for a low mileage crash victim tuber. | ||
| Guell |
his s2 has a sporty crank though, so a newer buell engine would be a step up, but its not like a regular evo sporty mill would be a step down. |
