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G234146
Posted on Friday, June 11, 2010 - 04:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

If Motoczysz can push concepts such as this, I'm sure Erik can make some more magic now that he's on his own. This bike looks really cool!!!

I want one!

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2010/06/motoczysz-e1pc/



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Piotr12
Posted on Friday, June 11, 2010 - 04:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

What ever happened to the C1? They put all that money into R&D for that bike and now they decide to go electric? I may not know the whole story but I was really disappointed to hear the news.
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Firebolt020283
Posted on Friday, June 11, 2010 - 04:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

how to make the most expensive motorcycle.
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Spiderman
Posted on Friday, June 11, 2010 - 05:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Well being green or self sufficient seems to be a rich man's game these days.

So why not capitalize on it...

Green is the new excess, any one who is rich is green. Look up prices on things like solar panels, rain barrels, home wind turbines....
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Piotr12
Posted on Friday, June 11, 2010 - 05:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Green may be cool but how convenient would it be to run out of juice in the middle of BFE?
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Spiderman
Posted on Friday, June 11, 2010 - 05:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The point of my post is that the rich are jumping on the 'green' wagon. And he needs investors, so smart move on his part...
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86129squids
Posted on Friday, June 11, 2010 - 05:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"What ever happened to the C1? They put all that money into R&D for that bike and now they decide to go electric? I may not know the whole story but I was really disappointed to hear the news."

Yeppers- I was fascinated by the design innovation throughout that bike, wished it could have made mass production. Erik and Czysz would be a great match!
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Augustus74
Posted on Friday, June 11, 2010 - 05:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Bitchin' bike!
I saw a great show on the C1 but it ended before the bike was in production so I also didn't know it had been scrapped(was it)!?!?
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Buellkowski
Posted on Friday, June 11, 2010 - 05:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

MotoGP politics & rule changes did the C1 in.
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Hootowl
Posted on Friday, June 11, 2010 - 05:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Perhaps he thinks (correctly maybe) that he can't compete with the existing lineup of traditionally powered offerings from the major players so he is building something that hardly anyone else is, and aims to do it better than everyone else. Beating everyone else to market is half the game.
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Court
Posted on Friday, June 11, 2010 - 05:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)


quote:

". . . . Real geniuses ship".

Steve Jobs


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Xl1200r
Posted on Friday, June 11, 2010 - 06:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The C1 was never intended for production - it was purely a Moto GP bike.
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Jaimec
Posted on Friday, June 11, 2010 - 06:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

It was far easier for him to get investors interested in an ELECTRIC motorcycle in these days and times than "yet another gas powered motorcycle." More power to him.

That bike uses the same front end he designed for the C1, and in case you didn't hear, it DEMOLISHED the field in this years Zero TT at the Isle of Man.
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Ikeman
Posted on Friday, June 11, 2010 - 07:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

This article answers most of the questions above:

http://hellforleathermagazine.com/frontlines/Czysz 2010/czysz-lyt.html
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Ikeman
Posted on Friday, June 11, 2010 - 07:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Oh, and Court - interesting you threw out a Jobs quote. Based on the article Mr. Czysz seems to admire his way of doing things.
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Benm2
Posted on Friday, June 11, 2010 - 09:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

So Court: Benjamin Franklin, Albert Einstien, Galileo, Copernicus, Tesla, Steven Hawking, Carl Sagan?

Steve Jobs' quote is a comment on his own perspective, much the same as Edison vs. Tesla.
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Court
Posted on Friday, June 11, 2010 - 10:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

>>>The C1 was never intended for production

That's inaccurate. Quoting Mr. Czysz:


quote:

So MotoCzysz will stay focused on delivering a 1,000cc sportbike and use 07 to turn our prototype motorcycle into a production bike and competitive race bike. We have secured several major players required to create a true American Race Dream Team, the principal members are all on one year contracts ready for 08 if we can deliver a competitive bike.

http://www.motoczysz.com/club/?p=43




I'm a big fan . . . got on board when I joined their newgroup in 2006. But as bright as the folks are, as innovative as the product . . . it's largely a rich man's hobby similar to John Britten . . another gifted multimillionaire with many ideas.

It's not a bad thing . . .
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Friday, June 11, 2010 - 11:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)








Now if they can just make sure it sounds like Tron.
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Bluzm2
Posted on Saturday, June 12, 2010 - 11:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Clip #2 was interesting.
Notice how little growth occured on the rear tire as the speed went up? I would have expected a lot more diameter increase as the speed went over 100mph. Not as much as a drag slick but it appears there was no diameter increase at all.
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Gregtonn
Posted on Saturday, June 12, 2010 - 03:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"Notice how little growth occured on the rear tire as the speed went up? I would have expected a lot more diameter increase as the speed went over 100mph. Not as much as a drag slick but it appears there was no diameter increase at all."

The tire on the bike in that clip appears to be road race slick. Totally different animal.
Drag slicks are very low pressure very wide profile tires designed to go in a straight line. Next time you see an AA/FD on TV notice the weird contortions the tires go through during a run.

If a motorcycle tire moved around even a fraction of that much it would be impossible to control on a road course.

G
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Ferris_von_bueller
Posted on Saturday, June 12, 2010 - 11:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

All these electric bikes are packaged, basically, around the same battery tech and electric motors. The real problem lies with the batteries. Until someone can come up with a lightweight, compact, highly efficient battery it's a circus act.
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Aptbldr
Posted on Sunday, June 13, 2010 - 07:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

More than just batteries, as internal combustion race bike performance is more than volumetric efficiency.

http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2010/04/a-dummys -guide-to-electric-mot.html
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Glitch
Posted on Sunday, June 13, 2010 - 08:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Until someone can come up with a lightweight, compact, highly efficient battery it's a circus act.
IMHO it's more than that.
It's experimentation, real world.
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Davegess
Posted on Sunday, June 13, 2010 - 11:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Motoczysz won the electric bike TT this year at the Isle of Man. They did 5 laps, 188 miles at 96 mph. Obviously still a long way to go, the 125's lap at over 100 mph, but who would have guessed, 10 years ago, that an electric bike could even be this fast for this long?

Good stuff.
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Jaimec
Posted on Sunday, June 13, 2010 - 11:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Ferris: You didn't read the article, I can tell. The Czysz bike was definitely NOT "the same battery tech and electric motors."
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Bluzm2
Posted on Sunday, June 13, 2010 - 01:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Greg, I know there is a big difference between tire types but I was impressed with the apparent zero growth.
Even a car tire expands a bit.
The forces on a TF slick are unbelievable. Getting 8000+ HP to the pavment through a 17.5" wide tire is no small task. Those buggers will grow upwards of 25% in diameter as they go down the track. Impressive in anyone's book to say the least!
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Reepicheep
Posted on Sunday, June 13, 2010 - 05:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Congrats to the motocyz team... those laps are quite an accomplishment!
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