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     Aesquire |
It's not that you are proposing a nuke under water. The tsunami from that isn't a big issue, the wave's not that big from a sub-megaton blast. Makes quite a splash, but we've tested atomic depth charges and not inundated any coastlines. ( not that deep, mind you, Subs don't normally work that deep ) It's that you want to set off a nuke underground. Again, direct effect likely to be minor, with some but not catastrophic contamination. ( Giant Atomic Mutant Shrimp....the tasty oxymoron ) unless the bang kicks off a quake, then it's all up to Mother nature. Nukes are the second to last resort. ( golly some people just want to set off a bang, don't they? ) I would like to see the U.S. Navy run a Sub & a few Destroyers through the area & see if sonar can map the underwater plumes. It looks like a phenomenon that pre dates the spill. Where are they? Where do they come from? and are they useful in any way? Could they be exploited? ( and cleaned up in the process? ) | ||
| Rocketsprink |
"It does scare me that EnviroNuts wouldn't allow us to drill on land. The solution was drilling in the water. The ENs wouldn't let us drill in shallow water near land. The solution was drilling in deep water. Now that we have a spill from drilling in deep water the solution from the ENs is to use nuclear explosives. Wasn't there a fable about the lady that swallowed the fly? I guess she's going to die!" Have you ever considered that they are drilling out that far and deep because that's where the frickin' oil is? Why drill on or near land when there is more oil further out? Duh!! | ||
| Glitch |
Where do you get your information Rocco? | ||
| Sifo |
Huffington Post | ||
| Sifo |
BTW, I'm confident the Rocco is just doing his typical drive by political post. I seriously doubt he will be back to support his position. | ||
| Sifo |
One more thing is the EnvironNuts who are bashing the "Drill Baby Drill" phrase, realize that that phrase pretty much refers to opening up ANWAR to drilling. That would be opening up land based drilling that the ENs have prevented drilling for decades now. Waiting to hear from Rocco... Sounds like crickets... | ||
| Rocketsprink |
Quick question for you guys. Where do you get YOUR information? Are you scientists? Engineers? Geologists? What makes YOUR source of information correct, while people that don't see things through your very narrow point of view, wrong? So I guess BP just threw a dart at a map and started drilling, huh? No exploration. No idea of whether there was oil there, just a shot in the dark? Let me guess. Fox News? Some of you guys are just plan ridiculous. Your blind faith in BP is beyond belief. Now we can't touch them because too many Brit's pensions are tied up in BP stock. Tough shit. I love all you right wingers that want the government to take a hands off approach, but all the sudden the government should step in? What a bunch of flip-floppers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Gotta love the behind closed doors 2001 oilmen to oilmen energy policy!!! Thanks Bush and Cheney. A-holes. | ||
| Rocketsprink |
Now I'll drive away. Can't argue with ******. | ||
| Sifo |
Well I just gave you ANWAR as an example. There are huge oil reserves all through the western mountain states that are off limits too. Also oil reserves in shallow water that would be much easier and safer. Sure BP is drilling there because they like the challenge of drilling in a mile of water. As for your flip flop remark, it's been beaten to death that there are things that the government should be doing, like taking on a huge clean up effort as a result of an accident like this one, or controlling our boarders. Running GM and Chrysler or health care are not among the things that government should be involved in. Good riddance to you if you can't support what you say. | ||
| Bads1 |
Sure BP is drilling there because they like the challenge of drilling in a mile of water. Support a comment like that.lol There doing it for a challenge??? I like that one.lmao | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Rocket, Are there areas ON LAND in the United States that have oil and gas deposits that are not being explored? The deep water oil deposits are the ONLY deposits left, is this correct? | ||
| Hex |
unless the bang kicks off a quake I wonder how long this will go before the release itself kicks off a quake. Consider the volume of land that has now shifted: Latest flow estimate puts this mess at 100 million gallons to date. 100 million gallons is approximately 13.4 million cubic feet. 13.4 million cubic feet is approximately 300 football fields, 10 feet deep. That's a lot of space to loose in a short amount of time. | ||
| Sifo |
I thought BP was withholding info preventing any accurate estimates of the flow.  | ||
| Aesquire |
Who knows what BP is doing? After all this is the dark conspiracy thread.  Goldman sachs, BP, Obama all tied together for dark nefarious purposes....probably to tax the crap out of all us folk that work for a living and give the money to G-S, BP, and Obama. Actually, that part is really happening. Hex, could happen. little quakes caused by pumping water out of the ground, can cause big ones. Heck, locally, a salt mine collapsed because the foreign company that bought it used a "new technique" and made the pillars that held the planet up too skinny. Why? to save money. It's cheaper to mine closer to the hole with the elevator. A city sized rock fell down, small quake, underground river rushed into mine, sink holes swallowed houses, and thousands had their water supply contaminated, for a few thousand years. Maybe longer. (Message edited by aesquire on June 10, 2010) | ||
| Glitch |
Don't get upset Rocco. I only asked a simple question. I'd also like you to find anywhere I've supported BP, or asked that the government to step in. Since you brought it up... This is possibly the first time since BO has been in office that I thought he did the right thing by staying out of it. Didn't last long though, he's back at things making a bad situation worse. I liked it better when he was out campaigning with his fellow democrats, and let BP do their thing. Also he should just let the states do what they need to get things cleaned up. If he felt the need to jump into the situation, IMHO he should just activate the National Guard to help get things cleaned up. Oh and by the way, if you'll look at any of my posts where I state something as fact, I'll post a link to as many sources as I can find to back me up. I just wanted to read what you read, and wanted a link, so I could read it too. | ||
| Roadcouch98 |
Please erase if this is a Repost, the Houston Chronicle (JUNE,8) - an offer from the Dutch Government to Help with the Clean-Up was REFUSED? Three days after the explosion of the Deepwater Horizon in the Gulf of Mexico, the Dutch government offered to help. It was willing to provide ships outfitted with oil-skimming booms, and it proposed a plan for building sand barriers to protect sensitive marshlands. The response from the Obama administration and BP, which are coordinating the cleanup: “The embassy got a nice letter from the administration that said, ‘Thanks, but no thanks,'” said Geert Visser, consul general for the Netherlands in Houston. Now, almost seven weeks later, as the oil spewing from the battered well spreads across the Gulf and soils pristine beaches and coastline, BP and our government have reconsidered. U.S. ships are being outfitted this week with four pairs of the skimming booms airlifted from the Netherlands and should be deployed within days. Each pair can process 5 million gallons of water a day, removing 20,000 tons of oil and sludge. At that rate, how much more oil could have been removed from the Gulf during the past month? The uncoordinated response to an offer of assistance has become characteristic of this disaster's response. Too often, BP and the government don't seem to know what the other is doing, and the response has seemed too slow and too confused. Federal law has also hampered the assistance. The Jones Act, the maritime law that requires all goods be carried in U.S. waters by U.S.-flagged ships, has prevented Dutch ships with spill-fighting equipment from entering U.S. coastal areas. “What's wrong with accepting outside help?” Visser asked. “If there's a country that's experienced with building dikes and managing water, it's the Netherlands.” Even if, three days after the rig exploded, it seemed as if the Dutch equipment and expertise wasn't needed, wouldn't it have been better to accept it, to err on the side of having too many resources available rather than not enough? BP has been inundated with well-intentioned cleanup suggestions, but the Dutch offer was different. It came through official channels, from a government offering to share its demonstrated expertise. Many in the U.S., including the president, have expressed frustration with the handling of the cleanup. In the Netherlands, the response would have been different, Visser said. There, the government owns the cleanup equipment, including the skimmers now being deployed in the Gulf. “If there's a spill in the Netherlands, we give the oil companies 12 hours to react,” he said. If the response is inadequate or the companies are unprepared, the government takes over and sends the companies the bill. While the skimmers should soon be in use, the plan for building sand barriers remains more uncertain. Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal supports the idea, and the Coast Guard has tentatively approved the pro-ject. One of the proposals being considered was developed by the Dutch marine contractor Van Oord and Deltares, a Dutch research institute that specializes in environmental issues in deltas, coastal areas and rivers. They have a strategy to begin building 60-mile-long sand dikes within three weeks. That proposal, like the offer for skimmers, was rebuffed but later accepted by the government. BP has begun paying about $360 million to cover the costs. Once again, though, the Jones Act may be getting in the way. American dredging companies, which lack the dike-building expertise of the Dutch, want to do the work themselves, Visser said. “We don't want to take over, but we have the equipment,” he said. While he battles the bureaucracy, the people of Louisiana suffer, their livelihoods in jeopardy from the onslaught of oil. “Let's forget about politics; let's get it done,” Visser said | ||
| Hex |
Cortex rain? | ||
| Hex |
 https://www.cstars.miami.edu/Media/photo-gallery?func=detail&id=312#joomimg | ||
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| Court |
You have to love the phenomenon of "unintended consequences". Some of you may recall that back on December 13th of last year I was opining about my dealing with the Jones Act. Now . . . the same law that I was seeking a waiver for is the very law that has all the best ships in the world (the United States has very few such ships and very minimal technology) standing on the sidelines watching. The Jones Act requires that the the ships AND CREW be American. Unfortunately most the technology and nearly all the vessels are of foreign registry and the unions in America has opposed any waivers. Secretary Salazar came to meetings at our office in New York City and we've requested a variance in our permitting. I wasn't holding a lot of hope until it became obvious that the longer the equipment that COULD clean up the oil just sits there . . Americans are going to start asking "why can't we use it?". I'd been told 3 years to review and act on the permit request . . . hopefully with oil and dead animals arriving on short the government will learn to step up the pace. Even though it took the better part of 2 weeks for Obama or his administration to so much as say one word about this when it happened . . . I think he's quickly realizing that, like it or not, it may be the defining event of his single term Presidency. I heard yesterday that 13% of the folks in the USA thought he was doing a good job of handling it . . . I'd guess that 13% is mostly federal employees. I'm sure glad he went from . . . . to "I'm responsible but BP is in control" to "I'm responsible and I am in full control" That only took a month. Now I have the comfort of knowing a neighborhood organizer with nary a lick of experience is in charge. Looks like it's going to work out great for me . . .but I'm damn glad I'm not a Pelican or a shrimp boat operator. Wow. | ||
| Sifo |
I'd guess that 13% is mostly federal employees. I'm not as convinced that they are all federal employees, but I bet most are dependent on the federal government for their lifestyle. | ||
| Sifo |
the Houston Chronicle (JUNE,8) - an offer from the Dutch Government to Help with the Clean-Up was REFUSED?... This article really shows how poorly BO has handled this crisis. The government isn't doing the job themselves. They have refused help from foreign entities with expertise in these things. They complain that BP isn't doing enough, but they too have their hands tied by the Jones Act regardless of how much money they would be willing to throw at the problem. There appears to be zero coordination with BP in handling this. Bobby Jindal is complaining that the feds are actually preventing them from taking action to limit the damage. I'm thankful that this is a slow moving crisis that is unfolding of a period of weeks, not hours. This is the same problem that we saw when BO was trying to decide what to do in Afghanistan. The general were telling him how many troops we needed to achieve the stated objectives. BO got paralyzed in the decision making process, and eventually shorted the military, but with a promise that the shortage would be made up by other nations. Unfortunately he promised what he could not deliver, again without actually talking to those that he needs to coordinate with. Since then our allies not only have not provided more troops, but they have pulled troops out. Has anyone read the news from Afghanistan lately? It's not good. Things are beginning to back slide. This was foreseeable when we shorted the military. It's time to elect some people who know how to make decisions in a timely manner and act on them. I get the feeling that the Dems are more interested in how to use a crisis to their advantage rather than how to minimize the impact of a crisis to the American people. | ||
| Sifo |
I see Hex is back to posting his pictures that show reflections again. At least now hes not showing the dark areas south of Cuba. Hex, why do you suppose that the two images of the FL keys look so different? Is one of them not current? Or is it a matter of how the light is being reflected as has been discussed before? EDIT: Hex needs to read this. (Message edited by SIFO on June 11, 2010) | ||
| Sifo |
I see that BO is finally setting up a meeting with Tony Hayward (yes Char I do read!). How effective is a meeting when days before the meeting is put together you publicly announce that you don't trust the person that you are going to meet with? That doesn't seem to set up a good foundation to build upon, does it? It's great that he was willing to meet with Ahmadinejad without any preconditions though. That's a man you can trust! | ||
| Court |
I listened to someone named Carol Browner. Did a bit of looking and . . .little surprise . . we've another one who's never worked a day in their life except in government administration. If this is the best support our neighborhood organizer has . . . we're screwed. I listened to her talk for 10 minutes and if my kids had laid a line of bullshit like that on me when they were young I'd have grounded them. Not only is she clueless . . it sounds as though her propensity is to generate excuses, not solutions. What a sorry excuse we've come to accept for leaders.
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| Hex |
Sifo's peddling plausible deniableity, while I'm merely searching for an independent truth. I have zero stake in this game.  His own reference qualifies my posts. " Skytruth has a better image which shows the extent". Skytruth is using CSTAR (a RADAR satilite) data. CSTAR is Canadian. Sifo, don't be too quick to suppose that is not oil in my images. BP's chemical fingerprinting of samples taken of Oil Sheen off of the Keys is not complete (or independent science). I think I got Sifo's fortune at lunch yesterday:  | ||
| Reindog |
So you want Sifo to menstruate???? | ||
| Hex |
The OP was correct, something does smelled fishy about this oil spill. | ||
| Hex |
Maybe Father Time will cure all Man's wounds to Mother Earth. | ||
| Sifo |
 Hex, I'm not promoting anything except what can be shown to be true. Please note that in your SkyTruth photo there are also dark patches that are not labeled as part of the oil. My point is only that these photos are not easy to read and a dark patch doesn't mean oil. Are you able to tell the difference between the dark areas south of FL vs. the dark areas south of Cuba? I certainly can't. Your news clip about the crops isn't truth. It's pure speculation. They try to say that there's no other explanation, but that's the same argument that global warmers use, and it's far from the gospel truth. Court, I saw a new piece yesterday that was interesting. I think (but am not 100% positive) that they were talking about Carol Browner watching the live video feed as they put the current cap in place on the leak. She was all freaked out because of the oil still coming out of the vents. They had to stop and explain to here how the whole thing was intended to work and why. Sadly I could understand the basics of it from descriptions of what happened with the first cap that got plugged up. These really are some great experts running things! |
